Ohio State vs Notre Dame in the CFP National Championship Game

Equinox said:

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1876er said:

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Equinox said:

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The Banned said:

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Penn state vs Ohio state. The B1G has surpassed us

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Dude, it's not going to be the best teams. It's going to be the annointed ones.

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tOSU & ND>>>>>>>>>>Texas in the college football pecking order.

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But the narrative being pushed here is Texas is the chosen team (chosen by ESPiN/dDisney). So they have to be in the championship game.

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You're trolling way to hard.

The 4 most hated fan bases advanced with the ignored targeting call. Notre Dame will beat Penn State in a thriller, then Ohio State will dismantle tu with the best offense tu has played all year. Sips will be ready to lose 2 straight to Ohio when they open next season at OSU. Notre Dame will win the National Title and opens next season hosting the Texas Aggies. Complaints about officiating and targeting will continue.

The 1970 sips lost to Notre Dame in the Cotton Bowl by 2 touchdowns, yet still claim their UPI national title.

The Banned said:

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Penn state vs Ohio state. The B1G has surpassed us

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Us? Who are you calling "us?" We haven't won jack sh**.

If by "Sips" you mean the Ohio State Buckeyes, I agree wholeheartedly with you.

And we lost to both of them.

The Hefty Lefty said:

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The 1970 sips lost to Notre Dame in the Cotton Bowl by 2 touchdowns, yet still claim their UPI national title.

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People use this example as if it were unique. It's not.

The AP (media poll) and UPI (coaches poll) were traditionally the two acknowledged polls at the time, if you were awarded the championship by both it was considered a consensus title. But the AP poll didn't even start counting the bowl game results until 1968 and the UPI until 1974.

So just off the top of my head alone Michigan State was awarded the national championship in 1965 by UPI but then lost the Rose Bowl to UCLA and Michigan State is still the 1965 UPI national champion, and Alabama won the consensus national championship in 1964 and then lost to Texas in the Orange Bowl, but they are still consensus 1964 national champions. That's just the way it was. Bowl games were considered exhibitions after the season was over.

A&M claims two NCs from before there were even polls, as many teams do. So ok, A&M has NC signs on the stadium for 1919 because Billingsley and the National Championship Foundation awarded it. Are those legit? Because the National Championship Foundation also awarded Texas the NC in 1981 and Billingsley awarded Texas the NC for 1914 and Texas doesn't claim those among others. There's also a sign on the A&M stadium for 1927 because Jeff Sagarin awarded it about 75 years after the fact. That's fine, they're in good company with Georgia, Illinois, Notre Dame, and Yale who have also been awarded the 1927 NC by various selectors. In fact, most years have a TON of NCs when you add them all up. 1920 has 5. 1921 has 6. 1922 has 5. 1923 has 5. 1926 has 5. And on and on. 1939 has 3. Billingsley says Cornell won it in 1939, still want to cite them?

I would bet almost no college football fans have any idea what any of these championships actually mean, especially before WW2 and polls. In any given year there are or were an enormous number of NC "selectors". And if you look at a list of all of them just looking for championships to claim you can probably find one or more to satisfy you. But it's pretty silly. Teams back then played opponents almost entirely within 100 miles or so of their own school, there was no TV or highlights so all the way up until fairly recent times the voters didn't even have video to watch and they sure weren't going to all the games. So if A&M wants to put placards on the stadium because Jeff Sagarin awarded it then maybe Texas should too and add 1968 and 1977 to the list because Sagarin said so. In addition to 1914, 1941, 1981, etc. from other selectors. Using the A&M stadium standard if A&M has 3 then Texas has 9.

This whole NC thing is idiotic for everyone. College football has existed for around 170 years and there have probably been 500 or more national champions in that span. Behold the master list. You think Clemson won the 1981 national championship? Nope, it was really Clemson, Nebraska, Penn State, Pitt, SMU, and Texas. You think Florida State won the 1993 NC? Nope, it was actually Florida State, Auburn, Nebraska, and Notre Dame.

College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS - Wikipedia

Actually, that's not even the master list, because some schools "claim" them on their own for some undefeated seasons even if no one awarded them anything. Hell, Pitt claims the 1918 NC. They went 4-1 and lost the last game. Texas went 9-0 in 1918 and outscored the opponents 194-14 as many teams back then did and doesn't claim anything. How the heck can anybody realistically compare how good each team was then or now?

SteveA said:

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Penn state vs Ohio state. The B1G has surpassed us

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"Us" lolz

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What's the issue?

Joes said:

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The Hefty Lefty said:

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The 1970 sips lost to Notre Dame in the Cotton Bowl by 2 touchdowns, yet still claim their UPI national title.

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People use this example as if it were unique. It's not.

The AP (media poll) and UPI (coaches poll) were traditionally the two acknowledged polls at the time, if you were awarded the championship by both it was considered a consensus title. But the AP poll didn't even start counting the bowl game results until 1968 and the UPI until 1974.
So just off the top of my head alone Michigan State was awarded the national championship in 1965 by UPI but then lost the Rose Bowl to UCLA and Michigan State is still the 1965 UPI national champion, and Alabama won the consensus national championship in 1964 and then lost to Texas in the Orange Bowl, but they are still consensus 1964 national champions. That's just the way it was. Bowl games were considered exhibitions after the season was over.

A&M claims two NCs from before there were even polls, as many teams do. So ok, A&M has NC signs on the stadium for 1919 because Billingsley and the National Championship Foundation awarded it. Are those legit? Because the National Championship Foundation also awarded Texas the NC in 1981 and Billingsley awarded Texas the NC for 1914 and Texas doesn't claim those among others. There's also a sign on the A&M stadium for 1927 because Jeff Sagarin awarded it about 75 years after the fact. That's fine, they're in good company with Georgia, Illinois, Notre Dame, and Yale who have also been awarded the 1927 NC by various selectors. In fact, most years have a TON of NCs when you add them all up. 1920 has 5. 1921 has 6. 1922 has 5. 1923 has 5. 1926 has 5. And on and on. 1939 has 3. Billingsley says Cornell won it in 1939, still want to cite them?

I would bet almost no college football fans have any idea what any of these championships actually mean, especially before WW2 and polls. In any given year there are or were an enormous number of NC "selectors". And if you look at a list of all of them just looking for championships to claim you can probably find one or more to satisfy you. But it's pretty silly. Teams back then played opponents almost entirely within 100 miles or so of their own school, there was no TV or highlights so all the way up until fairly recent times the voters didn't even have video to watch and they sure weren't going to all the games. So if A&M wants to put placards on the stadium because Jeff Sagarin awarded it then maybe Texas should too and add 1968 and 1977 to the list because Sagarin said so. In addition to 1914, 1941, 1981, etc. from other selectors. Using the A&M stadium standard if A&M has 3 then Texas has 9.

This whole NC thing is idiotic for everyone. College football has existed for around 170 years and there have probably been 500 or more national champions in that span. Behold the master list. You think Clemson won the 1981 national championship? Nope, it was really Clemson, Nebraska, Penn State, Pitt, SMU, and Texas. You think Florida State won the 1993 NC? Nope, it was actually Florida State, Auburn, Nebraska, and Notre Dame.

College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS - Wikipedia

Actually, that's not even the master list, because some schools "claim" them on their own for some undefeated seasons even if no one awarded them anything. Hell, Pitt claims the 1918 NC. They went 4-1 and lost the last game. Texas went 9-0 in 1918 and outscored the opponents 194-14 as many teams back then did and doesn't claim anything. How the heck can anybody realistically compare how good each team was then or now?

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After canceling the Texas A&M series in 1913 due to losing, it's partially honorable that Texas didn't declare themselves national champions in 1914.

I think the NCAA wants OSU and ND in the Natty. They don't want sec to win another.

If Ohio State plays like they have the last couple games, tu will be watching the national championship game from the couch.

infinity ag said:

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And we lost to both of them.

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With Marcel, we would've beat ND.

With LaVeon, we would've beat t.u,

oneeyedag said:

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If osu plays like they have their last two games they should beat tu in a medium sweat.

Clemson and ASU showed their defense is vulnerable. The difference makers are the osu trenches and depth.

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ASU just showed that if you can keep our defense on the field absorbing body blows for the entire game, they will eventually gas out. Unfortunately I don't think OSU will have much trouble doing that, and their offense is good enough to score even when the defense is fresh.

No amount of officiating is going to stop Ohio State from crushing their ego with Thor's hammer.

montanagriz said:

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Osu vs nd

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This

Sip getting the calls vs asu was to avoid the dreaded Ohio st asu matchup

They wanted the most eyeballs so sips OSU

OSU vs nd or sips vs nd, espn wins either way

Even Penn st brings a pretty large set of eyeballs so espn set it up so that they can't lose ratings wise

Espn will be happy with almost any matchup among these 4 teams. My guess is the least wanted matchup is OSU and PSU since they're from same conference and may turn off some viewers.

Agsgirl said:

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I think the NCAA wants OSU and ND in the Natty. They don't want sec to win another.

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The NCAA doesn't give a rats ass. All 4 of these are traditional power schools and any matchup is going to get watched. This whole conspiracy narrative makes people look like fools. There's no master plan of the "ncaa" whoever that is that "wants" a particular team. College refs just aren't very good compared to the NFL. They're inconsistent across conferences especially. tu can point to multiple calls they felt went against them, just like ASU can. 1/2 the games I watch are decided on some bad call. But I don't attribute it to some wicked fairy in the sky. It's because refs at this level have full time day jobs and they just aren't very good at their weekend job.

Half the great copnspiracy has happened. Will the powers that be elevate Sip to the championship game tomorrow?

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A&M claims two NCs from before there were even polls, as many teams do. So ok, A&M has NC signs on the stadium for 1919 because Billingsley and the National Championship Foundation awarded it. Are those legit?

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You actually laid out the best case for them, particularly the 1919 one. Many of the media ones, as you suggested, don't include the bowl results and had a heavy bias, mostly East Coast and Midwest. Later, in the '60s when USC was strong, UCLA had decent teams, and LA was a media hub, the West Coast started getting some attention. So I wouldn't go crowing if I were any of those schools about the superiority of having an "AP" or a "UPI" by their name, or even a "consensus" in there somewhere. Whether a school "claims" one, I don't think, is relevant. Perhaps people in Austin aren't smart enough to know what was going on a century ago.

The fact is that during the 1919 football season, college football had 99 teams. It wasn't a small sample size and FBS is currently only marginally bigger, though the schools involved are different. Sure, the rules were different then -- there wasn't a whole lot of TV games, artificial turf, replay, or 8 man officiating crews. But for the most part everyone played by the same rules as they do now. A&M, unlike any other team in the country, won 10 games. A&M, unlike any other team in the country, was unscored upon. A&M played 4 SWC teams (only one SWC team that year had a below .500 record), and two Independent teams (TCU and Southwestern). Notre Dame, by contrast, played 5 teams that were "non-major" and of the "major" ones, only Army was any good. The other 3 they beat won 3 or fewer games.

Yes, A&M's 1919 national championship was legit and on par with either of t.u.'s claimed titles of the '60s, regardless of what anyone else wants to believe. Plus, A&M was not handing out full scholarships at the time to keep players from going elsewhere.

If you want to draw a line in the sand for college football, you need to do it sometime in the early '70s. The implementation of scholarship limits, freshman eligibility and the separation of Division I into (what is now) FBS and FCS all occurred around that time. Pick a year -- it doesn't really matter. But saying championships "earned" or "awarded" in the '60s or a few years earlier are legit but those prior to the AP/UPI aren't is total bull***** If anything, the historical computer rankings spit out a much better story.

Agsgirl said:

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I think the NCAA wants OSU and ND in the Natty. They don't want sec to win another.

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The NCAA has nothing to do with the College Football Playoff.

Equinox said:

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Half the great copnspiracy has happened. Will the powers that be elevate Sip to the championship game tomorrow?

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Best case scenario is soldiers from the future opening a time warp and landing at midfield saying they need our help to fight off an alien invasion.

TV will love a Notre dame v tu game, but Ohio state is a bigger draw than either of them

LincolnBorglum79 said:

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The 4 most hated fan bases advanced with the ignored targeting call. Notre Dame will beat Penn State in a thriller, then Ohio State will dismantle tu with the best offense tu has played all year. Sips will be ready to lose 2 straight to Ohio when they open next season at OSU. Notre Dame will win the National Title and opens next season hosting the Texas Aggies. Complaints about officiating and targeting will continue.

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Pretty good first take, second was 90 seconds...

And if the frog had wings he would have not hit his butt when jumping.

BMX Bandit said:

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TV will love a Notre dame v tu game, but Ohio state is a bigger draw than either of them

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This is wrong in so many, easily provable ways.
Do you watch football?
ND vs sips is probably the biggest match up imaginable.

levypantsEOY said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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TV will love a Notre dame v tu game, but Ohio state is a bigger draw than either of them

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This is wrong in so many, easily provable ways.
Do you watch football?
ND vs sips is probably the biggest match up imaginable.

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Ahhhh!

Isn't this sweet. Levy smelling his own farts again in here for all to see.

I have already been notified by a couple of sip buddies that TONIGHT's game is the actual natty, regardless of who loses.

Jason C. said:

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Equinox said:

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Half the great copnspiracy has happened. Will the powers that be elevate Sip to the championship game tomorrow?

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Best case scenario is soldiers from the future opening a time warp and landing at midfield saying they need our help to fight off an alien invasion.

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This is actually worst case scenario, bc while all the Ags are out fighting the war, the sips would be at home with their tea saying "…if only the aliens wouldn't have come down…"

At least if the game is played we get to see them lose…

levypantsEOY said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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TV will love a Notre dame v tu game, but Ohio state is a bigger draw than either of them

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This is wrong in so many, easily provable ways.
Do you watch football?
ND vs sips is probably the biggest match up imaginable.

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2024:

tOSU 6.8mm
tu 6.4mm

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb-hq/rankings/college-football-tv-rankings-most-watched-teams-2024
2023:

tOSU 6.05mm
tu 4.26 mm
ND 4.15mm

https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/SEC/2023/12/19/alabama-georgia-most-viewed-teams-college-football-season-2023-nielsen-ratings/71975148007/

2016-2023

tOSU #2 at 650mm
ND #6 at 400mm
tu #10 at 300mm



circle up with the classmates at Southwest Texas over your lunch break from cleaning the glory holes at oil can harry's. let us know your "proof"

OSU and Bama are the only schools with as many fanboys as Texas. Might get an even call. OSU certainly isn't ASU.

Those sip fans enjoying the nasty slush in the ATT parking lot…

BMX Bandit said:

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levypantsEOY said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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TV will love a Notre dame v tu game, but Ohio state is a bigger draw than either of them

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This is wrong in so many, easily provable ways.
Do you watch football?
ND vs sips is probably the biggest match up imaginable.

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2024:

tOSU 6.8mm
tu 6.4mm

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb-hq/rankings/college-football-tv-rankings-most-watched-teams-2024
2023:

tOSU 6.05mm
tu 4.26 mm
ND 4.15mm

https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/SEC/2023/12/19/alabama-georgia-most-viewed-teams-college-football-season-2023-nielsen-ratings/71975148007/

2016-2023

tOSU #2 at 650mm
ND #6 at 400mm
tu #10 at 300mm



circle up with the classmates at Southwest Texas over your lunch break from cleaning the glory holes at oil can harry's. let us know your "proof"

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It was never about proof or facts. It's always about living in their own reality.

I assume Levy thinks they actually won the game last week. That it was not bc of a certain controversial non targeting call that every single credible official has stated was incorrectly made and it was OBVIOUS targeting. LOL

BMX Bandit said:

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levypantsEOY said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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TV will love a Notre dame v tu game, but Ohio state is a bigger draw than either of them

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This is wrong in so many, easily provable ways.
Do you watch football?
ND vs sips is probably the biggest match up imaginable.

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2024:

tOSU 6.8mm
tu 6.4mm

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb-hq/rankings/college-football-tv-rankings-most-watched-teams-2024
2023:

tOSU 6.05mm
tu 4.26 mm
ND 4.15mm

https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/SEC/2023/12/19/alabama-georgia-most-viewed-teams-college-football-season-2023-nielsen-ratings/71975148007/

2016-2023

tOSU #2 at 650mm
ND #6 at 400mm
tu #10 at 300mm



circle up with the classmates at Southwest Texas over your lunch break from cleaning the glory holes at oil can harry's. let us know your "proof"

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No doubt OSU has more viewership.

8 (current) SEC teams to 7 (same) for the Big 10 in the Top 18 according to the graphic. Not too shabby.

LB12Diamond said:

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It was never about proof or facts. It's always about living in their own reality.

I assume Levy thinks they actually won the game last week. That it was not bc of a certain controversial non targeting call that every single credible official has stated was incorrectly made and it was OBVIOUS targeting. LOL

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Aggie Derangement Syndrome: an ailment characterized by an unwillingness to accept reality, especially as it relates to anything pro-tu or con-A&M.
Example: the sips "did not win" their quarterfinals game, despite the fact that they are paying in the semifinals at 6:30 CST this evening.