Aggies2009 said:

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And some idiots couldn't wait to play them again.

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this is your schtick? Feel good?

ahpetty33 said:

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Refs called DPI on skattebos catch when he initiated the contact and pushed off with full extension, and then they had the opportunity to call targeting on ASU's game changing interception but did not… don't attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence. The problem with targeting is it is too subjective with too many variables to apparently be called consistently. The refs were bamboozled on this one because the defender did such a good job of keeping his head completely up, even though the hit was delivered square helmet to helmet

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1) Sip's head being up doesn't make it not targeting. 2) ASU's was 100% clean. 3) Skattebo initiated contact by slowing down, he did NOT push off extended-arm like you said.

The non-call on targeting allowed Sips to win when they lose otherwise if ASU can make a kick.

Mafia

All Mafia

Sips head wasn't up anyway. He lowered it.

Fact

Said it to you on the other thread and I'll say it to you here. It being a bad call doesn't make it a conspiracy. I agree it was a bad call. But if refs wanted to decide the game they wouldn't have let any one of the game changing plays ASU made in regulation to stand. Would have been all too easy to make any random penalty call and they wouldn't have ever had to answer for it. They simply don't know how to call targeting consistently and that's why it needs to be abolished or overhauled

Stinky T said:

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Then the rule should be changed. But as the rule reads today, that is targeting. Changing written rules to unwritten rules means there are no rules at all.

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Fully agree it's a bad rule that needs to be overhauled, and agree that it was a bad call here. Doesn't make it a conspiracy

I thought it was a textbook case of targeting. However, a high school referee friend of mine explained it this way:

1. The ball was tipped which eliminates the defenseless receiver rule.
2. The DB never ducked his head and made contact with his facemask and not the crown of his helmet.

By rule, although it looked egregious, it's not targeting. Not sure I agree, but that's what he said.

Bill Superman said:

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Yeah I've never seen a team get so many crucial calls to finish out games in any sport ever. That is insane.

Just go ahead and give sip the trophy.

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Chiefs say hello

They get the same treatment in the nfl

Ag1188 said:

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ahpetty33 said:

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Refs called DPI on skattebos catch when he initiated the contact and pushed off with full extension, and then they had the opportunity to call targeting on ASU's game changing interception but did not… don't attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence. The problem with targeting is it is too subjective with too many variables to apparently be called consistently. The refs were bamboozled on this one because the defender did such a good job of keeping his head completely up, even though the hit was delivered square helmet to helmet

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1) Sip's head being up doesn't make it not targeting. 2) ASU's was 100% clean. 3) Skattebo initiated contact by slowing down, he did NOT push off extended-arm like you said.

The non-call on targeting allowed Sips to win when they lose otherwise if ASU can make a kick.

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ASU's was not close to clean. If they didnt call one, hard to call the other.

Thank heavens you're here offering your opinion.

Will we be logging in as OTredux and talking to yourself again?

It's much more entertaining when you do that.

Also, there's been a ton of complaints on the zoo over the last few weeks about how many games in a row Texas A&M has not had a single holding penalty called against their opponents. I agree it's absolutely ridiculous and doesn't make mathematical sense.

However, ASU had no holding penalties called against them today, and a watched at least five plays where their QB scrambled around extending plays while his OL was damn near tackling Texas defenders. Still, no holding calls.

Don't conflate incompetence with conspiracy. Like I've said before, officiating at every level is a job so thankless and prone to abuse from players, coaches, parents, fans and the media, that the good officials have said, "Forget it. Life's too short to put up with this nonsense."

So now, the best officials we can get are the ones who suck and only do it for the money. Don't blame them. It's our fault.

Aggie Dad Sip said:

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Also, there's been a ton of complaints on the zoo over the last few weeks about how many games in a row Texas A&M has not had a single holding penalty called against their opponents. I agree it's absolutely ridiculous and doesn't make mathematical sense.

However, ASU had no holding penalties called against them today, and a watched at least five plays where their QB scrambled around extending plays while his OL was damn near tackling Texas defenders. Still, no holding calls.

Don't conflate incompetence with conspiracy. Like I've said before, officiating at every level is a job so thankless and prone to abuse from players, coaches, parents, fans and the media, that the good officials have said, "Forget it. Life's too short to put up with this nonsense."

So now, the best officials we can get are the ones who suck and only do it for the money. Don't blame them. It's our fault.

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hey, cut it out. This doesn't fit the zoo narrative.

Aggie Dad Sip said:

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Also, there's been a ton of complaints on the zoo over the last few weeks about how many games in a row Texas A&M has not had a single holding penalty called against their opponents. I agree it's absolutely ridiculous and doesn't make mathematical sense.

However, ASU had no holding penalties called against them today, and a watched at least five plays where their QB scrambled around extending plays while his OL was damn near tackling Texas defenders. Still, no holding calls.

Don't conflate incompetence with conspiracy. Like I've said before, officiating at every level is a job so thankless and prone to abuse from players, coaches, parents, fans and the media, that the good officials have said, "Forget it. Life's too short to put up with this nonsense."

So now, the best officials we can get are the ones who suck and only do it for the money. Don't blame them. It's our fault.

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Well said. Btw, skattebos td in ot was a foul. Ol pulled him across. You can push not pull

OBJTEX said:

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Aggie Dad Sip said:

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Also, there's been a ton of complaints on the zoo over the last few weeks about how many games in a row Texas A&M has not had a single holding penalty called against their opponents. I agree it's absolutely ridiculous and doesn't make mathematical sense.

However, ASU had no holding penalties called against them today, and a watched at least five plays where their QB scrambled around extending plays while his OL was damn near tackling Texas defenders. Still, no holding calls.

Don't conflate incompetence with conspiracy. Like I've said before, officiating at every level is a job so thankless and prone to abuse from players, coaches, parents, fans and the media, that the good officials have said, "Forget it. Life's too short to put up with this nonsense."

So now, the best officials we can get are the ones who suck and only do it for the money. Don't blame them. It's our fault.

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Well said. Btw, skattebos td in ot was a foul. Ol pulled him across. You can push not pull

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Yes you can, they changed that rule. Football much?

DGrimesAg92 said:

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OBJTEX said:

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Aggie Dad Sip said:

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Also, there's been a ton of complaints on the zoo over the last few weeks about how many games in a row Texas A&M has not had a single holding penalty called against their opponents. I agree it's absolutely ridiculous and doesn't make mathematical sense.

However, ASU had no holding penalties called against them today, and a watched at least five plays where their QB scrambled around extending plays while his OL was damn near tackling Texas defenders. Still, no holding calls.

Don't conflate incompetence with conspiracy. Like I've said before, officiating at every level is a job so thankless and prone to abuse from players, coaches, parents, fans and the media, that the good officials have said, "Forget it. Life's too short to put up with this nonsense."

So now, the best officials we can get are the ones who suck and only do it for the money. Don't blame them. It's our fault.

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Well said. Btw, skattebos td in ot was a foul. Ol pulled him across. You can push not pull

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Yes you can, they changed that rule. Football much?

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I do. You dont. I have ncaa rule book. Here is the sign. Ill find you the rule if you want to keep getting embarassed

According to NCAA football rule targeting occurs when a player hits another player in the helmet or facemask area of the opposing team and the facemask either breaks or is bent. If however the defenseless player can count to three then the penalty shall not be counted. If officials have placed wager in which the penalty would cause the official a loss, the official may pickup the flag.

Aggie Dad Sip said:

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I thought it was a textbook case of targeting. However, a high school referee friend of mine explained it this way:

1. The ball was tipped which eliminates the defenseless receiver rule.
2. The DB never ducked his head and made contact with his facemask and not the crown of his helmet.

By rule, although it looked egregious, it's not targeting. Not sure I agree, but that's what he said.

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If that EXACT same thing had happened to your receiver and been uncalled, sips would be screaming bloody hell from the rooftops and you KNOW it. Any reply to the contrary is just dishonesty.

Why can sip just not admit the obvious? Arrogance/pride thing?

It WAS a textbook case of targeting. You're right about that at least

College football has the legitimacy and integrity of professional wrestling

Easiest SEC schedule in their first year
No SEC night road games
Handpicked the playoffs
No targeting
Home game at the cottonbowl

Aggie Dad Sip said:

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I thought it was a textbook case of targeting. However, a high school referee friend of mine explained it this way:

1. The ball was tipped which eliminates the defenseless receiver rule.
2. The DB never ducked his head and made contact with his facemask and not the crown of his helmet.

By rule, although it looked egregious, it's not targeting. Not sure I agree, but that's what he said.

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I have never heard of #1. Not saying it's not true, but I need to see the rule before I believe it.

#2 doesn't matter. When the player is defenseless, any forceable contact to head or neck is targeting. It doesn't even have to be with the helmet. A shoulder to the head is also targeting. They've explained this dozens of times on tv.

OBJTEX said:

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Aggie Dad Sip said:

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Also, there's been a ton of complaints on the zoo over the last few weeks about how many games in a row Texas A&M has not had a single holding penalty called against their opponents. I agree it's absolutely ridiculous and doesn't make mathematical sense.

However, ASU had no holding penalties called against them today, and a watched at least five plays where their QB scrambled around extending plays while his OL was damn near tackling Texas defenders. Still, no holding calls.

Don't conflate incompetence with conspiracy. Like I've said before, officiating at every level is a job so thankless and prone to abuse from players, coaches, parents, fans and the media, that the good officials have said, "Forget it. Life's too short to put up with this nonsense."

So now, the best officials we can get are the ones who suck and only do it for the money. Don't blame them. It's our fault.

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Well said. Btw, skattebos td in ot was a foul. Ol pulled him across. You can push not pull

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I'm sure any fan would gladly trade the targeting call, which likely would have ended the game, for the pulling the guy across call, which would have never occurred if targeting was called.

Yes.

DGrimesAg92 said:

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OBJTEX said:

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Aggie Dad Sip said:

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Also, there's been a ton of complaints on the zoo over the last few weeks about how many games in a row Texas A&M has not had a single holding penalty called against their opponents. I agree it's absolutely ridiculous and doesn't make mathematical sense.

However, ASU had no holding penalties called against them today, and a watched at least five plays where their QB scrambled around extending plays while his OL was damn near tackling Texas defenders. Still, no holding calls.

Don't conflate incompetence with conspiracy. Like I've said before, officiating at every level is a job so thankless and prone to abuse from players, coaches, parents, fans and the media, that the good officials have said, "Forget it. Life's too short to put up with this nonsense."

So now, the best officials we can get are the ones who suck and only do it for the money. Don't blame them. It's our fault.

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Well said. Btw, skattebos td in ot was a foul. Ol pulled him across. You can push not pull

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Yes you can, they changed that rule. Football much?

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don't be insulting when you're the one that doesn't know the rules.

you can't grasp, lift, or pull a player forward. that OL did all 3.


(incidentally thinking that they are using a targeting call to influence a game is just stupid. Holding and PI can be used almost at anytime and they occur a lot. just a question of when to call them.

no ref is going to wait on a possible targeting call to then influence the game).

everything about being an Aggie is great and something to be cherished. except for the conspiracy nutjobs that make the rest of us look bad due to their incessant whining.

Just stop it. Please.

Budder01 said:

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What is even targeting anymore if that wasn't the clear definition of it.

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That play will continue to be targeting except when big money needs it not to be. As you said, rigged.

Is this targeting?

The true missed targeting call of the game. Dude literally lunged to the head/neck of Isaiah Bond. pic.twitter.com/r3iYp9Z4cC

— J❌red. (@SerJaredd) January 2, 2025

classof92 said:

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Is this targeting?

The true missed targeting call of the game. Dude literally lunged to the head/neck of Isaiah Bond. pic.twitter.com/r3iYp9Z4cC

— J❌red. (@SerJaredd) January 2, 2025

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That's not even close to targeting, his helmet never made contact and he didn't launch the crown of his head toward him.

You sure spend a lot of time vehemently defending everything sip.

The stock market is slow. I'll be here all day. Here's the actual rule

However, if a player is defenseless, you can't initiate contact above the shoulders, even if you don't lead with the crown. Players are also prohibited from targeting and making forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless player with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder.

classof92 said:

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The stock market is slow. I'll be here all day. Here's the actual rule

However, if a player is defenseless, you can't initiate contact above the shoulders, even if you don't lead with the crown. Players are also prohibited from targeting and making forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless player with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder.

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It doesn't say anything about making forcible contact with your armpit, so you're wrong again.

LOL, you crack me up. Yes, I just noticed he lifted his arm up so he could lead with the "armpit".