Is Klein's offense dependent on having a QB who is a dual threat? I don't think Reed who is listed at 180 pounds will hold up for 12 games next year. Who will be Reed's back-up and is he a fit for Klein's offense?

Why does everyone keep saying this.

Our 2025 and 2026 QBs are not consider dual threat.

Klein's offense's best outputs were against Mizzou and Mississippi St. Neither offense featured Weigman running around. This fake narrative about Klein needing a dual threat needs to die already.

If anything, Klein underutilized Reed's legs this year. We only saw effective use of them in the last drive against USC and sparingly against Texas (even when Marcel's runs were the only reliable yards we were getting on the ground)

If Reed is the starter next season, and then gets injured, Jacob Zeno is probably the guy who steps in next, IF Klein wants to continue with the same type of offense.

If Klein/Elko elected to go in a different offensive direction, I'd think O'Neill would be next man up.

Klein's offensive play calling is an ill fit for SEC football. He is better suited for the Big 12 where he came from. And the only reason he prefers a dual threat QB is because a dual threat QB, in theory, can bail him out of his atrocious play calling.

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Klein's offensive play calling is an ill fit for SEC football. He is better suited for the Big 12 where he came from. And the only reason he prefers a dual threat QB is because a dual threat QB, in theory, can bail him out of his atrocious play calling.

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Or he doesn't prefer a dualthreat QB and it's made up on TrxAgs for some strange reason.

vander54 said:

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Fquin said:

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Klein's offensive play calling is an ill fit for SEC football. He is better suited for the Big 12 where he came from. And the only reason he prefers a dual threat QB is because a dual threat QB, in theory, can bail him out of his atrocious play calling.

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Or he doesn't prefer a dualthreat QB and it's made up on TrxAgs for some strange reason.

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I also believe this to be a very strong possibility. But, Klein showed even less promise as a play caller when he had what appeared at times to be a better pocket passer in CW.

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vander54 said:

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Fquin said:

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Klein's offensive play calling is an ill fit for SEC football. He is better suited for the Big 12 where he came from. And the only reason he prefers a dual threat QB is because a dual threat QB, in theory, can bail him out of his atrocious play calling.

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Or he doesn't prefer a dualthreat QB and it's made up on TrxAgs for some strange reason.

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I also believe this to be a very strong possibility. But, Klein showed even less promise as a play caller when had what appeared at times to be a better pocket passer in CW.

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That was more CW being bad because if he wanted a dual threat QB don't you think he would use Reed's legs more?

Plus he went into last year at KSU wanting to be a passing team but their WR way underperformed and he had to turn to running his QB to produce.

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Why does everyone keep saying this.

Our 2025 and 2026 QBs are not consider dual threat.

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-Because it doesn't appear Reed can be effective without running.

-Many people believe that this is the only system Klein is capable of calling because he ran a bunch when he was a player.

-Many have no idea that what we did against Mizzou was drastically different that we did in 2nd half versus LSU, they think it's the same play calling and just a different guy taking the snap.

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vander54 said:

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Why does everyone keep saying this.

Our 2025 and 2026 QBs are not consider dual threat.

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-Because it doesn't appear Reed can be effective without running.

-Many people believe that this is the only system Klein is capable of calling because he ran a bunch when he was a player.

-Many have no idea that what we did against Mizzou was drastically different that we did in 2nd half versus LSU, they think it's the same play calling and just a different guy taking the snap.

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And I'd add another reason:

Announcers for our games keep gushing over Reed and his legs, and the Zoo blindly eats it all up.


Not a whole lot of critical thinking/thinking for oneself going on 'round these parts

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Klein's offensive play calling is an ill fit for SEC football. He is better suited for the Big 12 where he came from. And the only reason he prefers a dual threat QB is because a dual threat QB, in theory, can bail him out of his atrocious play calling.

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Or he doesn't prefer a dualthreat QB and it's made up on TrxAgs for some strange reason.

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Nothing outlandish about the belief. The KSU offense has always relied on a dual threat QB. This is a core concept intended to create constraints on what opposing ends and libebackers do to the profit of the offense.

Now if you are asserting that Klein is not running the KSU offense, that's another argument.

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vander54 said:

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Fquin said:

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Klein's offensive play calling is an ill fit for SEC football. He is better suited for the Big 12 where he came from. And the only reason he prefers a dual threat QB is because a dual threat QB, in theory, can bail him out of his atrocious play calling.

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Or he doesn't prefer a dualthreat QB and it's made up on TrxAgs for some strange reason.

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Nothing outlandish about the belief. The KSU offense has always relied on a dual threat QB. This is a core concept intended to create constraints on what opposing ends and libebackers do to the profit of the offense.

Now if you are asserting that Klein is not running the KSU offense, that's another argument.

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Remember Will Howard was their QB and he's not a dual threat QB.

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Why does everyone keep saying this.

Our 2025 and 2026 QBs are not consider dual threat.

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Our 2026 QB is certainly a dual-threat whether he's labeled that or not. But sure, he can pass way better than Reed too.

Klein's offense apparently requires a superior OL and bruising running back. We had neither yet kept running it up the middle against sip.

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Klein's offense's best outputs were against Mizzou and Mississippi St. Neither offense featured Weigman running around. This fake narrative about Klein needing a dual threat needs to die already.

If anything, Klein underutilized Reed's legs this year. We only saw effective use of them in the last drive against USC and sparingly against Texas (even when Marcel's runs were the only reliable yards we were getting on the ground)

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Reed is just not remotely elusive. And our Miss St game for us was 353 yards of total offense, so explain to me how that's good offensive output.

The type of offensive pressure Elko desires to put forth against opponents isn't gonna get it done in the SEC.

Play calling like CK had on the final drive was great. Why doesn't that happen more often? Is it Klein or Elko?

Our offense was crap this year. So the sunshine pumpers can make any excuse they want, but I see no evidence that it will be any more productive next year. We will have the same OC, the same QB, the same OL, and the same RB.

It's great that we will have some new WR so we can argue over whether the QB can't hit them, the OC can't scheme them open, or that they don't get separation.

Klein's offense is the Bill Snyder offense. Think Michael Bishop or Ell Roberson. Both threw for 2,500 + and ran for 750+.

I think the best kept secret that no one talks about is O'Neill. It was a small sample size, but if he is as good as he showed against NMST, he could be the starter next season.

Klein is missing big, bull running backs. The kind that look for contact and make the tackler pay. Like an Earl Campbell

Does our QB need to be 250 pounds before you girls stop worrying about a dual threat getting hurt. You all said the same about Achane… newsflash, the faster you are the harder it is for a defender to get a clean hit on you! Reed is the most durable qb we've had since Mond.

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Klein's offensive play calling is an ill fit for SEC football. He is better suited for the Big 12 where he came from. And the only reason he prefers a dual threat QB is because a dual threat QB, in theory, can bail him out of his atrocious play calling.

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Or he doesn't prefer a dualthreat QB and it's made up on TrxAgs for some strange reason.

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Nothing outlandish about the belief. The KSU offense has always relied on a dual threat QB. This is a core concept intended to create constraints on what opposing ends and libebackers do to the profit of the offense.

Now if you are asserting that Klein is not running the KSU offense, that's another argument.

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Remember Will Howard was their QB and he's not a dual threat QB.

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You didn't watch KSU then. Howard was given called runs as well as greenlit for off-schedule running when the field was open.

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vander54 said:

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Fquin said:

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Klein's offensive play calling is an ill fit for SEC football. He is better suited for the Big 12 where he came from. And the only reason he prefers a dual threat QB is because a dual threat QB, in theory, can bail him out of his atrocious play calling.

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Or he doesn't prefer a dualthreat QB and it's made up on TrxAgs for some strange reason.

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Nothing outlandish about the belief. The KSU offense has always relied on a dual threat QB. This is a core concept intended to create constraints on what opposing ends and libebackers do to the profit of the offense.

Now if you are asserting that Klein is not running the KSU offense, that's another argument.

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Remember Will Howard was their QB and he's not a dual threat QB.

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You didn't watch KSU then. Howard was given called runs as well as greenlit for off-schedule running when the field was open.

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Reed had 116 carries this year while the most Howard had was 81.
Designed runs and green lights do not make it a dualthreat QB offense.

vander54 said:

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vander54 said:

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Fquin said:

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Klein's offensive play calling is an ill fit for SEC football. He is better suited for the Big 12 where he came from. And the only reason he prefers a dual threat QB is because a dual threat QB, in theory, can bail him out of his atrocious play calling.

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Or he doesn't prefer a dualthreat QB and it's made up on TrxAgs for some strange reason.

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Nothing outlandish about the belief. The KSU offense has always relied on a dual threat QB. This is a core concept intended to create constraints on what opposing ends and libebackers do to the profit of the offense.

Now if you are asserting that Klein is not running the KSU offense, that's another argument.

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Remember Will Howard was their QB and he's not a dual threat QB.

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You didn't watch KSU then. Howard was given called runs as well as greenlit for off-schedule running when the field was open.

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Reed had 116 carries this year while the most Howard had was 81.
Designed runs and green lights do not make it a dualthreat QB offense.

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I reiterate that it is very apparent you do not follow KSU football. You should not pretend to be an expert about the power rushing attack they have been known for under Bill Snyder and that Collin Klein played and matured in. This system very much relies on the QB rushing and being a threat to run to free up other possibilities. You want to use Howard's relative lack of rushing attempts as evidence otherwise, but this cannot account for the invisible side of the QB being a threat to run even if he does not. You also do not look at other KSU quarterbacks to see what the norm is.

Look at Howard's yards per carry average across the years at KSU. They are very high for a QB except for 2022 where Adrian Martinez was the starter and Martinez had even slightly better rushing stats.

KSU uses dual threat QBs. There is no possible argument against this without being incredibly wrong. If you want to contend that Klein is doing something other than the KSU system, that's at least a better starting premise.

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Klein's offense's best outputs were against Mizzou and Mississippi St. Neither offense featured Weigman running around. This fake narrative about Klein needing a dual threat needs to die already.

If anything, Klein underutilized Reed's legs this year. We only saw effective use of them in the last drive against USC and sparingly against Texas (even when Marcel's runs were the only reliable yards we were getting on the ground)

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Reed is just not remotely elusive. And our Miss St game for us was 353 yards of total offense, so explain to me how that's good offensive output.

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Against MSST, we had our second-best offensive points per offensive drive of the season. Efficiency was the name of the game here, supposedly Klein's calling card. Not saying it was objectively a good offensive game from us, just that it was our second-best of the year against P4 teams.


I'm completely with you on Reed though. He's not good passing the ball, and has surprising limitations running the ball.

Once Reed's out in the open field running with the ball, he's really good. Despite his listed weight, he's absorbed some big hits with no apparent effects.

But for some reason he has bad instincts in escaping the pocket on scrambles. Weird.