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In comparison to other SEC teams next year.

QB - average
RB - below average (above average if Moss fully recovers)
OL - above average
WR - average
TE - average

DL - below average
LB - average
CB - average
Safety - below average

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Is this in comparison to the SEC teams that actually win titles and championships or every team?

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Every team. Championship teams - we'd be below to way below average in everything.

Not true at all

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Better everywhere but DL. Good OP. Moss and Owen's will be killers in 2025. We won't need Daniels.

Best 1-2 punch in SEC since McFadden and Jones.

6-2 or better in SEC. Gets us CFP.

Onward and upward.

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I will say that our LBs were totally outclassed at end of season. For all the bluster for York, he kinda sucked vs Auburn and embarrassed vs Austinites.

New staff needs to get more out of him. Big year for our Lbs and coaching staff in 25.

If Moss returns to his pre injury form, we will match up at RB to championship caliber teams, but we would deficient at every other positions group

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OTredux said:

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Better everywhere but DL. Good OP. Moss and Owen's will be killers in 2025. We won't need Daniels.

Best 1-2 punch in SEC since McFadden and Jones.

6-2 or better in SEC. Gets us CFP.

Onward and upward.

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I will say that our LBs were totally outclassed at end of season. For all the bluster for York, he kinda sucked vs Auburn and embarrassed vs Austinites.

New staff needs to get more out of him. Big year for our Lbs and coaching staff in 25.

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They did suck vs dem Horns. Still think we are favorite to make CFP. Easy 3 wins in non-conference. Only hard road games are LSU and dem Horns. We split those and drop a dumb one somewhere and that gets us 6-2 in conference play. CFP at large. Home game at Kyle!

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Better everywhere but DL. Good OP. Moss and Owen's will be killers in 2025. We won't need Daniels.

Best 1-2 punch in SEC since McFadden and Jones.

6-2 or better in SEC. Gets us CFP.

Onward and upward.

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I will say that our LBs were totally outclassed at end of season. For all the bluster for York, he kinda sucked vs Auburn and embarrassed vs Austinites.

New staff needs to get more out of him. Big year for our Lbs and coaching staff in 25.

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They did suck vs dem Horns. Still think we are favorite to make CFP. Easy 3 wins in non-conference. Only hard road games are LSU and dem Horns. We split those and drop a dumb one somewhere and that gets us 6-2 in conference play. CFP at large. Home game at Kyle!

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I've never heard an Aggie say "dem Horns"

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If Moss returns to his pre injury form, we will match up at RB to championship caliber teams, but we would deficient at every other positions group

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Disagree here too.

But it's too early to say for sure.

RB will be one of the top 2 groups in the SEC
OL has potential to be one of the best and depending on who else we get at WR it has potential to be an elite group.

Defense needs to work on tackling and we need at least 1 very good DT.

"Elite" gets thrown around on here a lot

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"Elite" gets thrown around on here a lot

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Especially since we've never put anywhere near as many draft picks into the NFL as the elite programs typically do

Really hope that's something Elko gets going for us, sooner than later

With Elkos known experience coaching defense I thought he would have his pick of defensive players. . I guess not. Is it a money issue.

Since Elko has been here he has brought in 24 four star prospects on defense in one full class and one scrambling class. Transfers included in that number. Our two deep for 2025 and 2026 pipeline should be littered with four stars.

I'm not going to sit here and say we go toe to toe with Georgia, but defensive recruiting has been damn good. Probably at a top 4-6 level overall.

We have another 3 committed(and two 3s we can identified as takes early on) in the early going for 2026 and lead for quite a few more.

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If Moss returns to his pre injury form, we will match up at RB to championship caliber teams, but we would deficient at every other positions group

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Disagree here too.

But it's too early to say for sure.

RB will be one of the top 2 groups in the SEC
OL has potential to be one of the best and depending on who else we get at WR it has potential to be an elite group.

Defense needs to work on tackling and we need at least 1 very good DT.

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I agree with this but would be willing to go out on a limb and say our RB room would be elite and our DB and OL room would be on the brink of elite and our WR and DL room being a top tier room with potential to get to elite.

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In comparison to other SEC teams next year.

QB - average
RB - below average (above average if Moss fully recovers)
OL - above average
WR - average
TE - average

DL - below average
LB - average
CB - average
Safety - below average

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Is this in comparison to the SEC teams that actually win titles and championships or every team?

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Every team. Championship teams - we'd be below to way below average in everything.

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QB - was average from a passing perspective in 24. Reed's Rating was 143.8 which ranked in the pack of Pavia, Nico, Nussmeier, and Carson Beck. Adding in the running ability may give him a slight boost but probably just leaves him a little above average. With any growth next year he will be above average.

RB - Moss was 2nd team all SEC without finishing the season and he should fully recover. Add to that Owens and the expectation is A&M will be above average here.

OL - this group was above average in the league in 24 and returns all starters. #2 in rushing yards per game, #4 in yards per rush, #9 in pass attempts per sack given up and #6 in total sacks given up. That is an average pass blocking line and a well above average run blocking line. This group should be above average in 25 as they were in 24.

WR - I think it's fair to expect this group to be improved but it was below average this year. Average for next year is a reasonable expectation but it's a wild card with many unknowns.

TE - Not a ton of production coming back in the pass game, TEs only had 30 receptions this year. The blocking should be improved with the bodies coming in next year but TE is so hard to project so average is the expectation.

DL - I expect the edges to be above average with the combination of incoming transfers and development of players on campus. The interior is a question. There is talent on the depth chart but until we see it in a game it will be a question mark. Expectation is probably average because we're in a much better spot than almost half of the league TBH (Arky, Mizzou, LSU, Miss St, Florida, Kentucky Vandy)

LB - They had their moments this year but also had times where they were slow. If that was a true speed problem (shouldn't be for Scooby and Sanford) then it will persist. More likely it was year one in a new system and we should see improvements. Average is probably expected.

CB - I think the Corners were above average in the league this year. There was a tendency to give up big plays but they also held several QBs well below their average completion %. The lack of sacks definitely lead to some big plays but there were also some mental busts (long TD vs Arky, corner looking for help from a Safety vs Auburn). I expect this group to be above average in the league in 25.

Safety - this position needs a lot of improvement. It's possibly we slide some of the corner depth to safety but hopefully they are better with a second year in the system. I'd expect below average safety play as of this moment though.

Some of this sunshine pumping analysis is hilarious. Did anyone watch the games this season/ observe player development? Posters claiming a "playoff caliber" 2025 team have apparently been asleep since Halloween.

I am currently predicting 8-4, but there's also plenty of reasons for optimism going into year 2. I could see us doing 1-2 games worse. I could see us being a serious contender as a playoff team. Neither is outlandish.

As for player development? 90% of development happens during the offseason, and the biggest jump most tend to have is year one to year two.

When Kirby's 1st year team struggled, did you really think the judgement on him should be about how his first season ended? What about Sark? Saban? Most improvement happens during the offseason, and the biggest jump for most successful coaches is from year 1 to year 2. I can't even pretend to know if Elko will be seen among that group one day, but his story is far from being written here. No matter what happened in November.

I'd argue the fact that we were even 7-1 with this roster is quite enough reason to be excited. But no doubt the November finish puts a damper on that and makes you question things. It also isn't the end all be all, and I'd expect far bigger of an offseason jump than during the season. Off-season's are what makes or breaks coaches. Between player acquisitions and development.

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I am currently predicting 8-4, but there's also plenty of reasons for optimism going into year 2. I could see us doing 1-2 games worse. I could see us being a serious contender as a playoff team. Neither is outlandish.

As for player development? 90% of development happens during the offseason, and the biggest jump most tend to have is year one to year two.

When Kirby's 1st year team struggled, did you really think the judgement on him should be about how his first season ended? What about Sark? Saban? Most improvement happens during the offseason, and the biggest jump for most successful coaches is from year 1 to year 2. I can't even pretend to know if Elko will be seen among that group one day, but his story is far from being written here. No matter what happened in November.

I'd argue the fact that we were even 7-1 with this roster is quite enough reason to be excited. But no doubt the November finish puts a damper on that and makes you question things. It also isn't the end all be all, and I'd expect far bigger of an offseason jump than during the season. Off-season's are what makes or breaks coaches. Between player acquisitions and development.

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The biggest difference to me is that Kirby, Sark, Saban, etc. had to build rosters over time. Say what you will about Jimbo, but he handed Elko a top 5 roster from a talent perspective. That's an insane leg up.

Maybe you're right in that it takes time to install a coach no matter how full his incoming cupboard may be.
FWIW, I agree with your 8-4 prediction.

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I am currently predicting 8-4, but there's also plenty of reasons for optimism going into year 2. I could see us doing 1-2 games worse. I could see us being a serious contender as a playoff team. Neither is outlandish.

As for player development? 90% of development happens during the offseason, and the biggest jump most tend to have is year one to year two.

When Kirby's 1st year team struggled, did you really think the judgement on him should be about how his first season ended? What about Sark? Saban? Most improvement happens during the offseason, and the biggest jump for most successful coaches is from year 1 to year 2. I can't even pretend to know if Elko will be seen among that group one day, but his story is far from being written here. No matter what happened in November.

I'd argue the fact that we were even 7-1 with this roster is quite enough reason to be excited. But no doubt the November finish puts a damper on that and makes you question things. It also isn't the end all be all, and I'd expect far bigger of an offseason jump than during the season. Off-season's are what makes or breaks coaches. Between player acquisitions and development.

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The biggest difference to me is that Kirby, Sark, Saban, etc. had to build rosters over time. Say what you will about Jimbo, but he handed Elko a top 5 roster from a talent perspective. That's an insane leg up.

Maybe you're right in that it takes time to install a coach no matter how full his incoming cupboard may be.
FWIW, I agree with your 8-4 prediction.

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The roster that Jimbo left Elko is not anywhere close to what you think it was. It's no different than saying that Herman handed Sark a top 5 roster. Both Herman and Jimbo had highly rated classes that weren't all that they appeared.

I used sip as an example since they are your team and would give you a better understanding of the situation.

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I am currently predicting 8-4, but there's also plenty of reasons for optimism going into year 2. I could see us doing 1-2 games worse. I could see us being a serious contender as a playoff team. Neither is outlandish.

As for player development? 90% of development happens during the offseason, and the biggest jump most tend to have is year one to year two.

When Kirby's 1st year team struggled, did you really think the judgement on him should be about how his first season ended? What about Sark? Saban? Most improvement happens during the offseason, and the biggest jump for most successful coaches is from year 1 to year 2. I can't even pretend to know if Elko will be seen among that group one day, but his story is far from being written here. No matter what happened in November.

I'd argue the fact that we were even 7-1 with this roster is quite enough reason to be excited. But no doubt the November finish puts a damper on that and makes you question things. It also isn't the end all be all, and I'd expect far bigger of an offseason jump than during the season. Off-season's are what makes or breaks coaches. Between player acquisitions and development.

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The biggest difference to me is that Kirby, Sark, Saban, etc. had to build rosters over time. Say what you will about Jimbo, but he handed Elko a top 5 roster from a talent perspective. That's an insane leg up.

Maybe you're right in that it takes time to install a coach no matter how full his incoming cupboard may be.
FWIW, I agree with your 8-4 prediction.

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This is nuts.
Jimbo didn't leave us with a top 5 talent team by any stretch of any imagination.
And if you're basing it off "recruiting stars", those don't mean much.

Best measure of "talent" on any given team is NFL draft picks. This year, like most years, we'll only put in about 3 total.

Several other teams will be putting in way more than 3.

Once we're putting in 10+ like the elites typically do, then we'll legit be in the top 5 of talent.

I just can't possibly agree with that. For one, we were 10th on the team talent composite. Not even close to top 5 as there was a massive gap between 5 and 10.

2nd, that's IF, and a very big IF, you believe that Jimbo's talent was well evaluated and evenly distributed. For example, the DL on paper was top 2-3. Most other positions were in the 10-15 range with a couple closer to 15-20, AGAIN, ON PAPER. Weigman and the DL made up most of that 10th rated talent. Once Weigman struggled, you lost most of your on paper talent advantage. Most other positions were closer to 20th on paper from a pure rankings standpoint than top 5. Conner was a massive part of why some thought we had an outside chance of 9 wins. If you had told me how Weigman would end up, I'd say we would win 6 or 7.

In fact, I find it laughable that some have tried to somehow convince me that our 2024 roster was better suited to play an SEC schedule than Sark's was against a big 12 schedule. And he went 5-7. No way, no how is that even close to being true. 8-4 with this roster is absolutely, unequivocally a better job than going 5-7 with texas 2021 roster against a big 12 schedule. Heck, he went 8-5 in year 2 against a big 12 schedule.

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I think we are ok everywhere but DL. It doesn't mean we can't improve the position groups but DL is weak right now. We don't have many big body ends and lack numbers overall.

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MASSIVE step forward in WR room and at least one more high quality athlete coming. Room is stacked!!

DL is where I am a bit worried. But I expect Elko to pickup at least 2 more high quality transfers once CFP is over.

I bet we land 1-2 players from the existing CFP teams still playing.

I think where people are wrong if evaluating purely based on these computer based talent rankings. I truly believe Elko is a superior developer of talent, specific to defense especially. His approach is not to blindly take the best theoritically ranked talent....his net is wider and I appreciate that.

And if Reed doesnt take a big step forward....we are right back where we have been over the last what? 7 years? Mond remains the best QB we have seen in a decade. How do you like those apples?

beerad12man said:

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I am currently predicting 8-4, but there's also plenty of reasons for optimism going into year 2. I could see us doing 1-2 games worse. I could see us being a serious contender as a playoff team. Neither is outlandish.

As for player development? 90% of development happens during the offseason, and the biggest jump most tend to have is year one to year two.

When Kirby's 1st year team struggled, did you really think the judgement on him should be about how his first season ended? What about Sark? Saban? Most improvement happens during the offseason, and the biggest jump for most successful coaches is from year 1 to year 2. I can't even pretend to know if Elko will be seen among that group one day, but his story is far from being written here. No matter what happened in November.

I'd argue the fact that we were even 7-1 with this roster is quite enough reason to be excited. But no doubt the November finish puts a damper on that and makes you question things. It also isn't the end all be all, and I'd expect far bigger of an offseason jump than during the season. Off-season's are what makes or breaks coaches. Between player acquisitions and development.

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If we land a talented DT and our WR play like they are capable of I think 8-4 will be absolute worst case scenario. But until these guys get on the field again it's tough to say. Chemistry is important, luckily the entire starting OL will be back and healthy. That is huge if we want to improve.

There are still a ton of questions but I agree there is a chance we are legit contenders.

Will Reed continue to devolp and get better seeing the field?
Will our WR be more impactful?
Will our DL not disappear for stretches?
Will Humphrey and Chappell improve our secondary?

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Mr. Fingerbottom said:

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DL & OL need to be upgraded if we want to be serious contenders... & so far we've done basically nothing


Coaching & play calling also needs to improve... we saw this year you can have an all world dline but if coaches are clueless, they will fall apart in November

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I don't get the OL hate. We were much improved abd are returning 100% of iur starters for the first time in awhile.

1st year with new coaches and we nade huge strides. They weren't perfect but they were decent.

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The OL hate comes from the inability to convert 4th and 1 all season, which ultimately cost us big. It's a legit gripe.

We should be able to run it up the middle and gain a yard. But we should also be able to scheme around the fact that we couldn't.

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We were really good until Moss went down and then we were still good until the tu game so that thought is invalid.

We were 100% when needing 2 yards or less vs Auburn and 50% against South Carolina. We ended up 10/13 in those games.

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4th and 1 was our Achilles heel and there are no excuses on why we shouldn't be able to convert that. It cost us 2 games at least, and it's on the OL.

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Which 2 games?

tu was the only one I can think of.

I guess you could say South Carolina since we were 0-2 but that's not what cost us the game

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We had failed 4th down conversions in all of our losses so take your pick. The point is that this is where most of the OL hate comes from which was your original question. Our inability to get a yard cost us in the end no matter how you spin it, and the first to blame is the OL.

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Yep. We were about 6 first downs from being in the playoffs.

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vander54 said:

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I think we are ok everywhere but DL. It doesn't mean we can't improve the position groups but DL is weak right now. We don't have many big body ends and lack numbers overall.

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MASSIVE step forward in WR room and at least one more high quality athlete coming. Room is stacked!!

DL is where I am a bit worried. But I expect Elko to pickup at least 2 more high quality transfers once CFP is over.

I bet we land 1-2 players from the existing CFP teams still playing.

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We really need a DT or 2. I feel a lot better about DE and 1 more upperclassmen proven WR will complete a great portal haul at the position.

Until this changes, we're nowhere near as "talented" as the true championship contenders.

Below is a compilation of:
- Total draft picks, per team, per year, for every team in BCS championship contention since we joined the SEC....
- plus teams with 7+ draft picks that year....
- plus ourselves....

***2023 SEASON*** (means 2024 draft)
13 picks, Mich (champ)
10 picks, Wash
10 picks, Bama
11 picks, t.u.
Notable teams with 7+
10 picks, FSU
8 picks, UGA
7 picks, NDame
8 picks, Oreg
8 picks, PennSt
7 picks, USC
4 picks, A&M

***2022 SEASON***
10 picks, UGA (champ)
8 picks, TCU
9 picks, Mich
6 picks, OhSt
Notable teams with 7+
10 picks, Bama
3 picks, A&M

***2021 SEASON***
15 picks, UGA (champ)
7 picks, Bama
9 picks, Cincy
5 picks, Mich
Notable teams with 7+
10 picks, LSU
7 picks, OU
8 picks, PennSt
4 picks, A&M

***2020 SEASON***
10 picks, Bama (champ)
10 picks, OhSt
9 picks, NDame
5 picks, Clems
Notable teams with 7+
8 picks, UF
9 picks, UGA
7 picks, LSU
8 picks, Mich
4 picks, A&M

***2019 SEASON***
14 picks, LSU (champ)
10 picks, OhSt
4 picks, OU
7 picks, Clems
Notable teams with 7+
9 picks, Bama
7 picks, UF
7 picks, UGA
10 picks, Mich
7 picks, Utah
2 picks, A&M

***2018 SEASON***
6 picks, Clems (champ)
10 picks, Bama
6 picks, NDame
8 picks, OU
Notable teams with 7+
7 picks, UGA
9 picks, OhSt
8 picks, Wash
7 picks, A&M

***2017 SEASON***
12 picks, Bama (champ)
6 picks, UGA
3 picks, Clems
4 picks, OU
Notable teams with 7+
7 picks, LSU
7 picks, NCSt
7 picks, OhSt
3 picks, A&M

***2016 SEASON***
6 picks, Clems (champ)
10 picks, Bama
7 picks, OhSt
5 picks, Wash
Notable teams with 7+
8 picks, UF
8 picks, LSU
9 picks, Mia
11 picks, Mich
8 picks, Utah
5 picks, A&M

***2015 SEASON***
7 picks, Bama (champ)
9 picks, Clems
5 picks, Mich St
4 picks, OU
Notable teams with 7+
7 picks, UF
7 picks, NDame
12 picks, OhSt
8 picks, UCLA
3 picks, A&M

***2014 SEASON***
5 picks, OhSt (champ)
11 picks, FSU
7 picks, Bama
5 picks, Oreg
Notable teams with 7+
8 picks, UF
10 picks, L'ville
7 picks, Mia
7 picks, OU
2 picks, A&M

***2013 SEASON***
7 picks, FSU (champ)
4 picks, Aub
Notable teams with 7+
8 picks, Bama
7 picks, FSU
9 picks, LSU
8 picks, NDame
3 picks, A&M

***2012 SEASON***
9 picks, Bama (champ)
6 picks, NDame
Notable teams with 7+
8 picks, UF
11 picks, FSU
8 picks, UGA
9 picks, LSU
7 picks, Rutgers
7 picks, SCar
5 picks, A&M

Again, until this changes, we're not nearly as "talented" as we think we are.

I have no issues using stars as talent level but by year 3 those stars better be production. And yes the NFL draft tells you how talented your team truly was.

Recruiting Stars only rate their incoming potential, and what they MIGHT become, all before they've played a single down of college ball.

NFL Draft picks are a direct reflection of what they actually became during their collegiate career.

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If Moss returns to his pre injury form, we will match up at RB to championship caliber teams, but we would deficient at every other positions group

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Disagree here too.

But it's too early to say for sure.

RB will be one of the top 2 groups in the SEC
OL has potential to be one of the best and depending on who else we get at WR it has potential to be an elite group.

Defense needs to work on tackling and we need at least 1 very good DT.

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I agree with this but would be willing to go out on a limb and say our RB room would be elite and our DB and OL room would be on the brink of elite and our WR and DL room being a top tier room with potential to get to elite.

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You're pretty much describing a surefire national championship winning season

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If Moss returns to his pre injury form, we will match up at RB to championship caliber teams, but we would deficient at every other positions group

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Disagree here too.

But it's too early to say for sure.

RB will be one of the top 2 groups in the SEC
OL has potential to be one of the best and depending on who else we get at WR it has potential to be an elite group.

Defense needs to work on tackling and we need at least 1 very good DT.

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I agree with this but would be willing to go out on a limb and say our RB room would be elite and our DB and OL room would be on the brink of elite and our WR and DL room being a top tier room with potential to get to elite.

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You're pretty much describing a surefire national championship winning season

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Well if all of our players play at their absolute best every down of every game, then we're natty bound. Book it.

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I would be willing to go out on a limb and say our RB room would be elite and our DB and OL room would be on the brink of elite and our WR and DL room being a top tier room with potential to get to elite.

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Lol I think you need to hit a Websters or try googling "elite."

levypantsEOY said:

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VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

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I would be willing to go out on a limb and say our RB room would be elite and our DB and OL room would be on the brink of elite and our WR and DL room being a top tier room with potential to get to elite.

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Lol I think you need to hit a Websters or try googling "elite."

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Ok sip, you can lend me yours since you only use yours as a paper weight.

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I would be willing to go out on a limb and say our RB room would be elite and our DB and OL room would be on the brink of elite and our WR and DL room being a top tier room with potential to get to elite.

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Just curious- how many of these "elite" players you evaluated played in an "elite" manner last night?

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I would be willing to go out on a limb and say our RB room would be elite and our DB and OL room would be on the brink of elite and our WR and DL room being a top tier room with potential to get to elite.

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Just curious- how many of these "elite" players you evaluated played in an "elite" manner last night?

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OL missing 2 of 5 starters, RB room missing 2 of 3, WR room had zero of the new impact guys, DB missing top two corners, DL missing multiple guys. If you judge the units based on last night's hodgepodge then I don't know what to tell you. It's not rocket science to know the team will look quite a bit different next year.

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I would be willing to go out on a limb and say our RB room would be elite and our DB and OL room would be on the brink of elite and our WR and DL room being a top tier room with potential to get to elite.

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Just curious- how many of these "elite" players you evaluated played in an "elite" manner last night?

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OL missing 2 of 5 starters, RB room missing 2 of 3, WR room had zero of the new impact guys, DB missing top two corners, DL missing multiple guys. If you judge the units based on last night's hodgepodge then I don't know what to tell you. It's not rocket science to know the team will look quite a bit different next year.

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You do realize every team has significant injuries and attrition across the board at this time of the year? Do you think the .500 team that embarrassed Elko last night was playing with all its starters?

The harsh reality of the program's current status has not yet seemed to hit the sunshine pumpers.
Talk all you want about all the "elite" position groups- we will spend the offseason listening to the hype ad nauseam- but wins are all that matter. This program doesn't win.

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Mr. Fingerbottom said:

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DL & OL need to be upgraded if we want to be serious contenders... & so far we've done basically nothing


Coaching & play calling also needs to improve... we saw this year you can have an all world dline but if coaches are clueless, they will fall apart in November

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I don't get the OL hate. We were much improved abd are returning 100% of iur starters for the first time in awhile.

1st year with new coaches and we nade huge strides. They weren't perfect but they were decent.

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The OL hate comes from the inability to convert 4th and 1 all season, which ultimately cost us big. It's a legit gripe.

We should be able to run it up the middle and gain a yard. But we should also be able to scheme around the fact that we couldn't.

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the fact that it happened multiple times, sometimes more than once in the same game, it more concerning that any players coming or going.

Did you get a reach around?