Elite QB play usually wins in playoff scenarios these days with explosive modern offenses. However, watch Mahomes vs Tampa Bay in the Super Bowl to see what missing 3 starting OL looks like in a big game.

Which team has the best front 6 for the playoffs this year (QB and OL)?

HTownMan87 said:

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Elite QB play usually wins in playoff scenarios these days with explosive modern offenses. However, watch Mahomes vs Tampa Bay in the Super Bowl to see what missing 3 starting OL looks like in a big game.

Which team has the best front 6 for the playoffs this year (QB and OL)?

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Not us…

Kinda hard not to like UGA's fronts, on both sides.

Oregon, Boise St., UT, ASU.

I disagree. Defense wins championships. (Although QB play is still very important).

Look at the last 3 National Champs and where they ranked in total defense:

2023 Michigan #1
2022 Georgia #5
2021 Georgia #1

Onionman said:

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I disagree. Defense wins championships. (Although QB play is still very important).

Look at the last 3 National Champs and where they ranked in total defense:

2023 Michigan #1
2022 Georgia #5
2021 Georgia #1

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All 3 of those teams had great offenses that could pass and run the ball at an elite lvl. Not saying defense doesn't win championships, but obviously your best bet is to have both.

Onionman said:

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I disagree. Defense wins championships. (Although QB play is still very important).

Look at the last 3 National Champs and where they ranked in total defense:

2023 Michigan #1
2022 Georgia #5
2021 Georgia #1

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Aligns pretty well with this year's playoff teams:

scoring defense
1 Ohio St
2 Texas
3 Notre Dame
4 Ole Miss
4 Tennessee
6 Indiana
7 Army
8 Penn St
9 Iowa
10 Alabama

total defense (yds/gm):
1 Ohio St
2 Indiana
3 Texas
4 Tennessee
5 NIU
6 Penn St
7 Minnesota
8 Ohio
9 Notre Dame
10 Army
11 Oregon

HTownMan87 said:

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Onionman said:

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I disagree. Defense wins championships. (Although QB play is still very important).

Look at the last 3 National Champs and where they ranked in total defense:

2023 Michigan #1
2022 Georgia #5
2021 Georgia #1

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All 3 of those teams had great offenses that could pass and run the ball at an elite lvl. Not saying defense doesn't win championships, but obviously your best bet is to have both.

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I agree best bet is to have both. But if you could only have 1, I want an elite defense. Defense usually always shows up where a good offense might not always show up or have a bad turnover day.

All those teams could run the ball very well but I don't really remember them passing at an elite level.

A. G. Pennypacker said:

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Onionman said:

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I disagree. Defense wins championships. (Although QB play is still very important).

Look at the last 3 National Champs and where they ranked in total defense:

2023 Michigan #1
2022 Georgia #5
2021 Georgia #1

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Aligns pretty well with this year's playoff teams:

scoring defense
1 Ohio St
2 Texas
3 Notre Dame
4 Ole Miss
4 Tennessee
6 Indiana
7 Army
8 Penn St
9 Iowa
10 Alabama

total defense (yds/gm):
1 Ohio St
2 Indiana
3 Texas
4 Tennessee
5 NIU
6 Penn St
7 Minnesota
8 Ohio
9 Notre Dame
10 Army
11 Oregon

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Really crazy how almost all the top defensive teams made the playoffs or you could make a case that they should be in the playoffs (Bama & Ole Miss)

Onionman said:

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A. G. Pennypacker said:

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Onionman said:

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I disagree. Defense wins championships. (Although QB play is still very important).

Look at the last 3 National Champs and where they ranked in total defense:

2023 Michigan #1
2022 Georgia #5
2021 Georgia #1

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Aligns pretty well with this year's playoff teams:

scoring defense
1 Ohio St
2 Texas
3 Notre Dame
4 Ole Miss
4 Tennessee
6 Indiana
7 Army
8 Penn St
9 Iowa
10 Alabama

total defense (yds/gm):
1 Ohio St
2 Indiana
3 Texas
4 Tennessee
5 NIU
6 Penn St
7 Minnesota
8 Ohio
9 Notre Dame
10 Army
11 Oregon

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Really crazy how almost all the top defensive teams made the playoffs or you could make a case that they should be in the playoffs (Bama & Ole Miss)

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now show the top scoring offenses, and total offenses.
I bet it's noticeably different

HTownMan87 said:

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Elite QB play usually wins in playoff scenarios these days with explosive modern offenses. However, watch Mahomes vs Tampa Bay in the Super Bowl to see what missing 3 starting OL looks like in a big game.

Which team has the best front 6 for the playoffs this year (QB and OL)?

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Tech got elite QB play from Mahomes. Where did that get them?

Having to live vicariously through the Chiefs.

it's interesting that notre dame ha gotten zero love. strong line on both sides of the ball, good mobile qb

not saying they will win it but i don't know that anyone else has better offensive line, defensive line ,qb combo.

TxAg76 said:

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Onionman said:

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A. G. Pennypacker said:

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Onionman said:

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I disagree. Defense wins championships. (Although QB play is still very important).

Look at the last 3 National Champs and where they ranked in total defense:

2023 Michigan #1
2022 Georgia #5
2021 Georgia #1

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Aligns pretty well with this year's playoff teams:

scoring defense
1 Ohio St
2 Texas
3 Notre Dame
4 Ole Miss
4 Tennessee
6 Indiana
7 Army
8 Penn St
9 Iowa
10 Alabama

total defense (yds/gm):
1 Ohio St
2 Indiana
3 Texas
4 Tennessee
5 NIU
6 Penn St
7 Minnesota
8 Ohio
9 Notre Dame
10 Army
11 Oregon

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Really crazy how almost all the top defensive teams made the playoffs or you could make a case that they should be in the playoffs (Bama & Ole Miss)

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now show the top scoring offenses, and total offenses.
I bet it's noticeably different

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scoring offense:
1 Miami
2 Indiana (playoff team)
3 Notre Dame (playoff team)
4 Boise St (playoff team)
5 Texas Tech
6 SMU (playoff team)
7 Ole Miss
8 Tenn (playoff team)
9 Tulane
10 Texas St

total offense (yds/gm)
1 Miami
2 Ole Miss
3 North Texas
4 New Mexico
5 Texas St
6 Boise St
7 Utah St
8 Tenn
9 Texas Tech
10 Syracuse

Pretty much says scoring counts. Yards - not so much. Only 2 of the top 10 yardage producers made the playoffs, while 7 of the top 10 total defense (yds/gm) made the playoffs.

Defense always has and always will win titles. Its hard to play offense consistently and you need to lean on the defense. Defense translates in all environments but Offense does not. Take a high powered fast offense in freezing weather and it sputters.

A. G. Pennypacker said:

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TxAg76 said:

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Onionman said:

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A. G. Pennypacker said:

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Onionman said:

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I disagree. Defense wins championships. (Although QB play is still very important).

Look at the last 3 National Champs and where they ranked in total defense:

2023 Michigan #1
2022 Georgia #5
2021 Georgia #1

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Aligns pretty well with this year's playoff teams:

scoring defense
1 Ohio St
2 Texas
3 Notre Dame
4 Ole Miss
4 Tennessee
6 Indiana
7 Army
8 Penn St
9 Iowa
10 Alabama

total defense (yds/gm):
1 Ohio St
2 Indiana
3 Texas
4 Tennessee
5 NIU
6 Penn St
7 Minnesota
8 Ohio
9 Notre Dame
10 Army
11 Oregon

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Really crazy how almost all the top defensive teams made the playoffs or you could make a case that they should be in the playoffs (Bama & Ole Miss)

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now show the top scoring offenses, and total offenses.
I bet it's noticeably different

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scoring offense:
1 Miami
2 Indiana (playoff team)
3 Notre Dame (playoff team)
4 Boise St (playoff team)
5 Texas Tech
6 SMU (playoff team)
7 Ole Miss
8 Tenn (playoff team)
9 Tulane
10 Texas St

total offense (yds/gm)
1 Miami
2 Ole Miss
3 North Texas
4 New Mexico
5 Texas St
6 Boise St
7 Utah St
8 Tenn
9 Texas Tech
10 Syracuse

Pretty much says scoring counts. Yards - not so much. Only 2 of the top 10 yardage producers made the playoffs, while 7 of the top 10 total defense (yds/gm) made the playoffs.

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interesting, thx for doing the recon.

also interesting that none of the top 5 teams perceived with the higher % chance of actually winning it are in those 10 tens at all.
NDame is closest, with 6th best odds.

Oregon +360
Texas +360
Georgia +500
Ohio State +500
Penn State +550
Notre Dame +700
Tennessee +2500
SMU +4000
Indiana +4000
Arizona State +6000
Clemson +6000
Boise State +6000

Tennessee shoes up on both list. They have a good shot of advancing. Notre Dane is solid front 6 and defense. It will be qb play for both of those two that decides how far they go.

Top NIL schools in terms of millions spent?

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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it's interesting that notre dame ha gotten zero love. strong line on both sides of the ball, good mobile qb

not saying they will win it but i don't know that anyone else has better offensive line, defensive line ,qb combo.

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Yeah, I think notre dame has flown under the radar because they have played a schedule without any big games on it and because they lost to no Illinois

But they have been smashing teams since that game

Would not surprise me to see them reach the semis or even the finals

A team with a great offense doesn't always show up in the stats if they also have a good defense. Their play-calling will often be more conservative to drain clock and limit turnovers rather than run up points and yards. Not shocking that playoff teams don't always have the best stats on offense even if they have a really good offense.

TxAg76 said:

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A. G. Pennypacker said:

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TxAg76 said:

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Onionman said:

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A. G. Pennypacker said:

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Onionman said:

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I disagree. Defense wins championships. (Although QB play is still very important).

Look at the last 3 National Champs and where they ranked in total defense:

2023 Michigan #1
2022 Georgia #5
2021 Georgia #1

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Aligns pretty well with this year's playoff teams:

scoring defense
1 Ohio St
2 Texas
3 Notre Dame
4 Ole Miss
4 Tennessee
6 Indiana
7 Army
8 Penn St
9 Iowa
10 Alabama

total defense (yds/gm):
1 Ohio St
2 Indiana
3 Texas
4 Tennessee
5 NIU
6 Penn St
7 Minnesota
8 Ohio
9 Notre Dame
10 Army
11 Oregon

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Really crazy how almost all the top defensive teams made the playoffs or you could make a case that they should be in the playoffs (Bama & Ole Miss)

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now show the top scoring offenses, and total offenses.
I bet it's noticeably different

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scoring offense:
1 Miami
2 Indiana (playoff team)
3 Notre Dame (playoff team)
4 Boise St (playoff team)
5 Texas Tech
6 SMU (playoff team)
7 Ole Miss
8 Tenn (playoff team)
9 Tulane
10 Texas St

total offense (yds/gm)
1 Miami
2 Ole Miss
3 North Texas
4 New Mexico
5 Texas St
6 Boise St
7 Utah St
8 Tenn
9 Texas Tech
10 Syracuse

Pretty much says scoring counts. Yards - not so much. Only 2 of the top 10 yardage producers made the playoffs, while 7 of the top 10 total defense (yds/gm) made the playoffs.

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interesting, thx for doing the recon.

also interesting that none of the top 5 teams perceived with the higher % chance of actually winning it are in those 10 tens at all.
NDame is closest, with 6th best odds.

Oregon +360
Texas +360
Georgia +500
Ohio State +500
Penn State +550
Notre Dame +700
Tennessee +2500
SMU +4000
Indiana +4000
Arizona State +6000
Clemson +6000
Boise State +6000

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But all the top 7 teams that have the best odds are loaded on defense.

Oregon surprisingly has a good defense this year (although they did not look good against PSU). And PSU looked horrible against them.

But Oregon, texas, Georgia, OSU, PSU, ND & Tenn all have pretty darn good defenses and I expect the champ to be one of those teams.

Onionman said:

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TxAg76 said:

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A. G. Pennypacker said:

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TxAg76 said:

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Onionman said:

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A. G. Pennypacker said:

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Onionman said:

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I disagree. Defense wins championships. (Although QB play is still very important).

Look at the last 3 National Champs and where they ranked in total defense:

2023 Michigan #1
2022 Georgia #5
2021 Georgia #1

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Aligns pretty well with this year's playoff teams:

scoring defense
1 Ohio St
2 Texas
3 Notre Dame
4 Ole Miss
4 Tennessee
6 Indiana
7 Army
8 Penn St
9 Iowa
10 Alabama

total defense (yds/gm):
1 Ohio St
2 Indiana
3 Texas
4 Tennessee
5 NIU
6 Penn St
7 Minnesota
8 Ohio
9 Notre Dame
10 Army
11 Oregon

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Really crazy how almost all the top defensive teams made the playoffs or you could make a case that they should be in the playoffs (Bama & Ole Miss)

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now show the top scoring offenses, and total offenses.
I bet it's noticeably different

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scoring offense:
1 Miami
2 Indiana (playoff team)
3 Notre Dame (playoff team)
4 Boise St (playoff team)
5 Texas Tech
6 SMU (playoff team)
7 Ole Miss
8 Tenn (playoff team)
9 Tulane
10 Texas St

total offense (yds/gm)
1 Miami
2 Ole Miss
3 North Texas
4 New Mexico
5 Texas St
6 Boise St
7 Utah St
8 Tenn
9 Texas Tech
10 Syracuse

Pretty much says scoring counts. Yards - not so much. Only 2 of the top 10 yardage producers made the playoffs, while 7 of the top 10 total defense (yds/gm) made the playoffs.

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interesting, thx for doing the recon.

also interesting that none of the top 5 teams perceived with the higher % chance of actually winning it are in those 10 tens at all.
NDame is closest, with 6th best odds.

Oregon +360
Texas +360
Georgia +500
Ohio State +500
Penn State +550
Notre Dame +700
Tennessee +2500
SMU +4000
Indiana +4000
Arizona State +6000
Clemson +6000
Boise State +6000

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But all the top 7 teams that have the best odds are loaded on defense.

Oregon surprisingly has a good defense this year (although they did not look good against PSU). And PSU looked horrible against them.

But Oregon, texas, Georgia, OSU, PSU, ND & Tenn all have pretty darn good defenses and I expect the champ to be one of those teams.

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Right, that's how the thread started.
The offensive info was just to make comparison