Back-to-back playoff appearances, back-to-back conference championship appearances, #1 recruiting class in the country, 23-3 in their last 2 seasons...and they're not elite?

To answer the question, no. We just played them for a spot in the SEC championship. We are fine.

v1rotate92 said:

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Many are feeling a sense of doom with the possible reemergence of the sips to elite status. Hopefully they lose Saturday and bounced from CFP round 1 and leave elite status to Georgia, OSU...
But if they win a few more games this year and the media crowns them the best program does that make it harder for us? Any harder for us than if Bama, Georgia or LSU is the program?
For 20 years, the sips have been mostly pathetic. We could have significantly improved the W-L record between us. But except for a couple seasons we've been underperforming.
I have no doubts we can win and be elite regardless of the sips. But could it be possible we actually benefit from an elite sip program?

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No all the attention is on them for the post season while we are relegated to transfer portal news.

OP, let's worry about the Aggies. Sips are going to sip.

Texas A&M being good while the sips struggle is more fun. It may not be like that for a while though.

challenger21 said:

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Even in '98 we lost to t.u.

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Don't remind me

TAMUallen said:

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Sips aren't becoming elite.

We aren't good and they got spotted points.

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They're currently ranked #2 and have the #1 recruiting class. Last year they were a play away from playing in the title game. We look so stupid desperately trying to marginalize them.

HoustonAggie37713 said:

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Back-to-back playoff appearances, back-to-back conference championship appearances, #1 recruiting class in the country, 23-3 in their last 2 seasons...and they're not elite?

To answer the question, no. We just played them for a spot in the SEC championship. We are fine.

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You had me until the end. Ask Auburn how tough they had it while Bama was elite.

Texas has been elite over the last two years:
1. Texas is 23-2 over the last two years, including 15-2 (8-1 Big 12 in 2023 and 7-1 SEC in 2024) in conference games.

2. Texas has made back-to-back conference championship game appearances.

3. Texas has made back-to-back playoff appearances.

4. Texas has won an FBS leading 11 consecutive road games since a 41-34 loss at Oklahoma State on 10/22/2022.

5. Texas has the No. 1 recruiting class in the country.

To answer the OP's question, Texas being elite hurts us because we lose recruiting battles for the highest ranked recruits. Still, Mike Elko can bring this football program to the next tier by recruiting some great players, adding key portal transfer players, and properly coaching and developing them. If Elko can do these things and retain most of the top players, we can beat Texas and other SEC opponents in the future.

texas is clearly one of the top 3 programs the past 2 years. If you look at metrics and betting odds, I believe I read somewhere that the would be favored over any team on a neutral field including Oregon.

Currently texas is #1 in FPI and its my understanding lines up with betting lines on a neutral field.

Our greatest advantage was being in the SEC and players going to the NFL which is now gone. texas is an easy place to win if you get the right coach. They have the name, NIL, SEC, attractive to portal players, NFL pipeline. With the NIL $$$, they just will reload just like when they lost all of their top WRs. They just raided other team's top WRs.

They will be sending 2 OL likely in the 1st round. They have a freshman that slotted well when Banks got hurt with little drop off. they have multiple NFL early round pics on the defensive side who are freshmen.

I see 4 teams that will just continue to reload in this order moving forward
1. texas - Blue blood, top line NIL, top conference, Top state HS
2. Oregon - #1 Nil, Top Conference
3. Ga - Strong NIL, top conference, Blue Blood, recent history
4. tOSU - Top Nil, conference, blue blood

We should be able to crack the top 5. All we need is a good coach b/c we have everything else texas has other than history.

Watch Bama drop out of the top 3 SEC going forward b/c they are a relatively poor NIL program when compared to LSU/texas/A&M/Fla/Ga. THIS IS WHY SABAN LEFT. He knew Bama doesn't have the $$$ to compete with the top SEC.

Bottom line is we have zero reason to not be a top 5 program going forward regardless of what anyone else does.

v1rotate92 said:

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Many are feeling a sense of doom with the possible reemergence of the sips to elite status. Hopefully they lose Saturday and bounced from CFP round 1 and leave elite status to Georgia, OSU...
But if they win a few more games this year and the media crowns them the best program does that make it harder for us? Any harder for us than if Bama, Georgia or LSU is the program?
For 20 years, the sips have been mostly pathetic. We could have significantly improved the W-L record between us. But except for a couple seasons we've been underperforming.
I have no doubts we can win and be elite regardless of the sips. But could it be possible we actually benefit from an elite sip program?

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Elite status for the sips? Check out the 60's!

If they beat Georgia they get a bye to round of right. Win three more and NC. Lose to Georgia and they likely host first round so one extra game.

If they do all that calling them not elite is a bit of a stretch…

Tu falls hard if the lose 31-14 to Georgia. They drop below Penn State, Ohio state and Notre Dame to the 8/9 game vs Tennessee. The committee won't have tu and Georgia in the same bracket so 7 is out. If Clemson beats smu then Clemson is likely the 12 seed but either 11-2 SMU, 11-2 tu or 9-3 Bama or maybe 11-1 Indiana is out. I think it will be Bama.

Georgia and Clemson winning would like mean:

1 Oregon. 8/9 tu Tennessee
4. Boise. 5/12 Penn St/ASU
2. Georgia. 7/10. ND/Indiana
3. Clemson. 6/11 Ohio st/ SMU

If Bama makes it in over Indiana they would be the 12 playing Penn State and ASU is probably playing ND.

Time and place. tu is gonna be good but so are we. This wont be like the big 12 where they have the ungodly unfair advantage. Sure they will still be ESPN darlings but that's lost some of its grandeur. I like Elko more than Sark when it comes to football minds. We will have to see the growth of our team in year 2 under this staff but i genuinely feel like Elko is doing things the right way and will prove that he's an elite football minds.

There is room for both programs to be elite, but it hurts A&M when they can't figure out how to beat those ****ers.

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IslanderAg04 said:

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They arent elite. Their defining win was against us as we are struggling in nov. They struggled against vandy, played an injured qb in Arkansas, and played a lagwayless walkon at florida. They will lose to GA again, and i'm sure the portal will hit them harder.

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And yet they are playing in the SEC championship game and ranked #2 in the country. Not bad for not being elite.

I wish we weren't elite in that manner.

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Plus making the playoffs 2 years in a row. Would hate to be not elite like that.

Bad takes on this thread. They kind of are elite already. Were ranked in top 5 most of last two seasons. 11 win regular seasons. Two straight CFPs.

Yes a two and done will be delicious. But they made SEC CCG in Y1. Were ranked #1 for about a month.

Have top NfL picks last yesr and this year.

Maybe they will slip sfter getting rolled by UGA and round 1 CFP foe.

But for now, they are top 5 program in CFB. That is elite to me. No team this year is balls out awesome. But they are pretty dang good.

We just dont want to admit it.

If we have the right HFC, it can help us. Gives us a defining win opportunity.

GD'it!

Guys, I hate to break it to you but tu has reached elite status .
They just dominated us on our home field (forget the score) and just signed the #1 recruiting class in the country .
They are also favored to beat Georgia in the rematch on Saturday .
We just need to take care of our own business and back Elko as I believe he is the right guy .
It was not realistic to expect Elko in his first year to beat Sarkisian in his 4th year .
He has a lot of work to do .

LincolnBorglum79 said:

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Tu falls hard if the lose 31-14 to Georgia. They drop below Penn State, Ohio state and Notre Dame to the 8/9 game vs Tennessee. The committee won't have tu and Georgia in the same bracket so 7 is out. If Clemson beats smu then Clemson is likely the 12 seed but either 11-2 SMU, 11-2 tu or 9-3 Bama or maybe 11-1 Indiana is out. I think it will be Bama.

Georgia and Clemson winning would like mean:

1 Oregon. 8/9 tu Tennessee
4. Boise. 5/12 Penn St/ASU
2. Georgia. 7/10. ND/Indiana
3. Clemson. 6/11 Ohio st/ SMU

If Bama makes it in over Indiana they would be the 12 playing Penn State and ASU is probably playing ND.

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I don't think Texas would drop below a PSU team that also lost its CCG or below OSU that didn't play in one, and ended its regular season losing at home to a Michigan team that Texas smoked at Michigan.

I guess PSU could go either way depending on how badly it loses to Oregon in your hypothetical, but the 7 seed is looking like the floor for Texas.

Bama isn't jumping Indiana after a week neither play. Clemson would be the 12 seed as the lowest ranked conference winner, not the 3 seed.

Who cares? Stop making tu live rent free in our minds.

We're in the SEC now. Our barometer of success should be Georgia or Alabama not the sips.

GrayMatter said:

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Who cares? Stop making tu live rent free in our minds.

We're in the SEC now. Our barometer of success should be Georgia or Alabama not the sips.

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The reason it matters is because our success directly correlates to their lack of success. It's always been that way, and that is why they have no problems taking active measures to hinder hurt and harm us. It hasn't changed, and it never will.

v1rotate92 said:

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Many are feeling a sense of doom with the possible reemergence of the sips to elite status. Hopefully they lose Saturday and bounced from CFP round 1 and leave elite status to Georgia, OSU...
But if they win a few more games this year and the media crowns them the best program does that make it harder for us? Any harder for us than if Bama, Georgia or LSU is the program?
For 20 years, the sips have been mostly pathetic. We could have significantly improved the W-L record between us. But except for a couple seasons we've been underperforming.
I have no doubts we can win and be elite regardless of the sips. But could it be possible we actually benefit from an elite sip program?

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A couple of seasons??!!
The media will always consider the sips as elite even if the don't win a game and it will hurt A&M!!! They will get whoever they want from recruiting and A&M will take second best. Go back to the 60's and check it out.

Stop embarrassing yourselves. Texas is good, we can be good too.

v1rotate92 said:

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Many are feeling a sense of doom with the possible reemergence of the sips to elite status. Hopefully they lose Saturday and bounced from CFP round 1 and leave elite status to Georgia, OSU...
But if they win a few more games this year and the media crowns them the best program does that make it harder for us? Any harder for us than if Bama, Georgia or LSU is the program?
For 20 years, the sips have been mostly pathetic. We could have significantly improved the W-L record between us. But except for a couple seasons we've been underperforming.
I have no doubts we can win and be elite regardless of the sips. But could it be possible we actually benefit from an elite sip program?

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When we were in the SEC and tu wasn't we had an advantage. We no longer have that advantage. History says they now have the advantage and we still have big ego ags running the show, videos of effeminate acting fellows circulating that cast us as a bunch of weirdos, and every time we have the marquee game the team is embarrassed on the field. What is going to change this situation?

Media is different now, as we've learned with the past election. ESPN isn't near as prevalent as it has been in my lifetime (33). Yes tu is really damn good this year but I wouldn't say they're in any kind of elite aura like Sabans Bama teams. We have work to do but let's not start with this mindset that we're so far behind.

aeon-ag said:

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v1rotate92 said:

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Many are feeling a sense of doom with the possible reemergence of the sips to elite status. Hopefully they lose Saturday and bounced from CFP round 1 and leave elite status to Georgia, OSU...
But if they win a few more games this year and the media crowns them the best program does that make it harder for us? Any harder for us than if Bama, Georgia or LSU is the program?
For 20 years, the sips have been mostly pathetic. We could have significantly improved the W-L record between us. But except for a couple seasons we've been underperforming.
I have no doubts we can win and be elite regardless of the sips. But could it be possible we actually benefit from an elite sip program?

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A couple of seasons??!!
The media will always consider the sips as elite even if the don't win a game and it will hurt A&M!!! They will get whoever they want from recruiting and A&M will take second best. Go back to the 60's and check it out.

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Why is "the media" (whatever the heck that means) so comfortably snuggled between Texas' milky white pillowy soft bosoms? Are they paying for it? Are they flooding the industry with sip journalists? Are they just that undeniably charming? Why?