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Hubert J. Farnsworth
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His coordinator hires. Bateman was a failed defensive coordinator that was back coaching linebackers when he was hired. He may be running an Elko defense, but he isn't Mike Elko. I have a little more sympathy with Elko taking a chance with Klein. He seemed like an up and comer that had shown 2 years of efficient offenses at Kansas State with 2 different offenses that took advantage of his teams strengths. Unfortunately, he changed nothing here. This years offense looked like Jimbo 2.0.

Teams figured something out about us down the stretch and this team could not adjust. That's on Elko.

Recruiting is not at the level of the big dogs. It's a nice class but isn't on par with the elite teams we hope to be on the level with. The o-line recruiting is especially weak.

The regression after the LSU game. I saw a team that was getting better week to week until the LSU game. Afterwards, they looked like a much worse team. They had everything to play for and they looked totally unmotivated. Thats on Elko.

The bad first half's. I know we all love to talk about Elko's halftime adjustments, but why can't we just come out with a good game plan in the first half?
Reno Hightower
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His linebacker group S***S TO HIGH HEAVEN and is slower than old molasses on a February morning.


Bell Co knows!
Bring n WOOD
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I believe it's way too early to judge this staff…. people forget how hard Elko Worked when he landed here to raid the portal, talk to current players and recruits…..He Frankensteined this team of ours together all in short fashion…. He needs time to work with his staff, players and recruits to build something… I think it's way too early to cut bait on his coordinators at this point in time.
Reno Hightower
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I wanna believe

……but the Dline play this year mystifies me
Haleyscomet50
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Red flag that we hired someone else first then settled on him to look less dumb. 2nd red flag loosing williams kid to tu. You have to drive from Galveston almost thru college station to get to Austin can't loose those recruiting battles.
Philip J Fry
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I'll say I like Elko's killer instincts. Going for it in the first quarter was the right move.

The problem with both was the play call.
Hubert J. Farnsworth
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Bring n WOOD said:

I believe it's way too early to judge this staff…. people forget how hard Elko Worked when he landed here to raid the portal, talk to current players and recruits…..He Frankensteined this team of ours together all in short fashion…. He needs time to work with his staff, players and recruits to build something… I think it's way too early to cut bait on his coordinators at this point in time.


I get giving him time, but I totally disagree with not cutting bait with Bateman and Klein. They are both terrible.
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On recruiting. Elko is looking for proven players in the portal instead of unproven high school recruits.
"Aggies don't lie, cheat, or steal, nor do they tolerate those who do!" - Aggie Code of Honor
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Philip J Fry said:

I'll say I like Elko's killer instincts. Going for it in the first quarter was the right move.

The problem with both was the play call.


I like how agressive Elko is on 4th down. A lot of people complain about it, but if he had a competent offense they would be calling him a genius.
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Philip J Fry said:

I'll say I like Elko's killer instincts. Going for it in the first quarter was the right move.

The problem with both was the play call.


Agree with this….Elko has ballz and going for it on 4th was the right call….
Bring n WOOD
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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

Bring n WOOD said:

I believe it's way too early to judge this staff…. people forget how hard Elko Worked when he landed here to raid the portal, talk to current players and recruits…..He Frankensteined this team of ours together all in short fashion…. He needs time to work with his staff, players and recruits to build something… I think it's way too early to cut bait on his coordinators at this point in time.


I get giving him time, but I totally disagree with not cutting bait with Bateman and Klein. They are both terrible.


The coordinators call the plays using the players they have at their disposal…..tonight we learned (especially on the line of scrimmage) that Texas had much better talent across the board than we do….i'm not willing to blame the coordinators when we don't have the studs yet….

We need upgrades at RB, WR, LBs the worst….but OL and DL too…. our lineman are big… But they are not fast athletic enough.
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Bring n WOOD said:

Philip J Fry said:

I'll say I like Elko's killer instincts. Going for it in the first quarter was the right move.

The problem with both was the play call.


Agree with this….Elko has ballz and going for it on 4th was the right call….


It's the right play if you're t.u. going for 1 yard against us, because you're about 90% sure you're gonna get it. It is 100% the wrong call for Elko when the whole season has shown you that you have only about a 10% chance of getting that yard.

What makes it especially hard to accept is that we tried to run it up the middle out of the shotgun both times. And the 2nd time was after an effing timeout! Inexcusable and horrible play-calling.
Hubert J. Farnsworth
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Bring n WOOD said:

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

Bring n WOOD said:

I believe it's way too early to judge this staff…. people forget how hard Elko Worked when he landed here to raid the portal, talk to current players and recruits…..He Frankensteined this team of ours together all in short fashion…. He needs time to work with his staff, players and recruits to build something… I think it's way too early to cut bait on his coordinators at this point in time.


I get giving him time, but I totally disagree with not cutting bait with Bateman and Klein. They are both terrible.


The coordinators call the plays using the players they have at their disposal…..tonight we learned (especially on the line of scrimmage) that Texas had much better talent across the board than we do….i'm not willing to blame the coordinators when we don't have the studs yet….

We need upgrades at RB, WR, LBs the worst….but OL and DL too…. our lineman are big… But they are not fast athletic enough.


Bateman has been terrible all year. He needs to go. You can't tell me that it is acceptable to hold on to Klein, who scored zero points tonight. There is enough offensive talent to at least score a touchdown.
Bring n WOOD
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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

Bring n WOOD said:

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

Bring n WOOD said:

I believe it's way too early to judge this staff…. people forget how hard Elko Worked when he landed here to raid the portal, talk to current players and recruits…..He Frankensteined this team of ours together all in short fashion…. He needs time to work with his staff, players and recruits to build something… I think it's way too early to cut bait on his coordinators at this point in time.


I get giving him time, but I totally disagree with not cutting bait with Bateman and Klein. They are both terrible.


The coordinators call the plays using the players they have at their disposal…..tonight we learned (especially on the line of scrimmage) that Texas had much better talent across the board than we do….i'm not willing to blame the coordinators when we don't have the studs yet….

We need upgrades at RB, WR, LBs the worst….but OL and DL too…. our lineman are big… But they are not fast athletic enough.


Bateman has been terrible all year. He needs to go. You can't tell me that it is acceptable to hold on to Klein, who scored zero points tonight. There is enough offensive talent to at least score a touchdown.


I believe that Texas showed tonight that they have an elite defense and we don't…..Reed has raw talent, but is a RS freshman who didn't even start the whole season….we need a physical, big framed RB to stand a chance at 4th and 1 against this D….Moss if we had him would would've made a difference tonight. Again, I believe it's our players, not the schemes….
AggieArchitect04
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Nothing you said is wrong but this simple fact remains: Elko gets A&M.
Ag1188
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Reno Hightower said:

His linebacker group S***S TO HIGH HEAVEN and is slower than old molasses on a February morning.


Bell Co knows!
They're nice kids and good leaders!
Ag1188
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Bring n WOOD said:

I believe it's way too early to judge this staff…. people forget how hard Elko Worked when he landed here to raid the portal, talk to current players and recruits…..He Frankensteined this team of ours together all in short fashion…. He needs time to work with his staff, players and recruits to build something… I think it's way too early to cut bait on his coordinators at this point in time.
Don't make excuses for the staff. They've had 10 months. It's not that hard. No way is offense this hard. Let alone our defensive failures the last 3 games.
Hubert J. Farnsworth
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Bring n WOOD said:

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

Bring n WOOD said:

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

Bring n WOOD said:

I believe it's way too early to judge this staff…. people forget how hard Elko Worked when he landed here to raid the portal, talk to current players and recruits…..He Frankensteined this team of ours together all in short fashion…. He needs time to work with his staff, players and recruits to build something… I think it's way too early to cut bait on his coordinators at this point in time.


I get giving him time, but I totally disagree with not cutting bait with Bateman and Klein. They are both terrible.


The coordinators call the plays using the players they have at their disposal…..tonight we learned (especially on the line of scrimmage) that Texas had much better talent across the board than we do….i'm not willing to blame the coordinators when we don't have the studs yet….

We need upgrades at RB, WR, LBs the worst….but OL and DL too…. our lineman are big… But they are not fast athletic enough.


Bateman has been terrible all year. He needs to go. You can't tell me that it is acceptable to hold on to Klein, who scored zero points tonight. There is enough offensive talent to at least score a touchdown.


I believe that Texas showed tonight that they have an elite defense and we don't…..Reed has raw talent, but is a RS freshman who didn't even start the whole season….we need a physical, big framed RB to stand a chance at 4th and 1 against this D….Moss if we had him would would've made a difference tonight. Again, I believe it's our players, not the schemes….


Sure, but Moss wasn't there and Klein has decided to keep running Daniels up the middle for no yards the last 3 SEC games. I get not having the talent, but I'm sick of A&M always having these unimaginative coaches that don't ever try to change things up. Piss poor offense got Jimbo fired and Klein looks like he's running the same old slow l plodding offense that Jimbo ran. Teams have been loading the box up against us all year, just like the 6 years of Jimbo, and we refuse to attack the middle of the field which is wide open.
Bring n WOOD
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Ag1188 said:

Bring n WOOD said:

I believe it's way too early to judge this staff…. people forget how hard Elko Worked when he landed here to raid the portal, talk to current players and recruits…..He Frankensteined this team of ours together all in short fashion…. He needs time to work with his staff, players and recruits to build something… I think it's way too early to cut bait on his coordinators at this point in time.
Don't make excuses for the staff. They've had 10 months. It's not that hard. No way is offense this hard. Let alone our defensive failures the last 3 games.


For an offense to "work", especially against good teams in big games, you need to have difference maker players..tell me who do we have on the offensive side that are considered difference makers? Name one WR, one RB, one TE…..not even Reed can be considered a difference maker because he is too young and inexperienced
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Klein is the problem, he completely mismanaged our QBs and is unable to score no matter who is under center.

Marcel is the better QB mostly because he can escape pressure and make plays with his feet. We need this ability because Klein can't call plays to save his life.

Marcel won the starting job in LSU game due to LSU being unprepared. Credit where credit is due, he won us that game. But out side of this game…

Marcel is 4-3 as a starter. Wins- BG, Arky, Florida, New Mexico st, Losses- SC, Auburn, tu
And Conner is 3-1 Wins- Mckneese Missouri, Mississippi St, Loss - ND

What if both QBs are good enough to win games but Klein just sucks? Do we really need to rely on a 185lb freshman QB's legs? At least next year he's a sophomore and hopefully he puts on weight

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Klein is questioanble
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Bring n WOOD said:

I believe it's way too early to judge this staff…. people forget how hard Elko Worked when he landed here to raid the portal, talk to current players and recruits…..He Frankensteined this team of ours together all in short fashion…. He needs time to work with his staff, players and recruits to build something… I think it's way too early to cut bait on his coordinators at this point in time.
Yes. Let's hear it for more mediocrity and regression as the season goes on. It's an Aggie tradition that we're all so proud of! We're the joke of all college football and no one's going to take that away from us...EVER!
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97 said:

On recruiting. Elko is looking for proven players in the portal instead of unproven high school recruits.
well be better find a friggin QB. Having to start a RS Freshman on a big stage like that is a recipe for disaster. CW flaming out is equivalent to their Garrett Gilbert. Sips spent a decade looking for a decent QB. Elko needs to fix this next year.
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AggieArchitect04 said:

Nothing you said is wrong but this simple fact remains: Elko gets A&M.
Well he gets a **** ton of its money. That's for damn sure.
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Bring n WOOD said:

Philip J Fry said:

I'll say I like Elko's killer instincts. Going for it in the first quarter was the right move.

The problem with both was the play call.


Agree with this….Elko has ballz and going for it on 4th was the right call….


Statistically how many times have we been stuffed on 4th and 1 this season? Has it ever worked?
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Bring n WOOD said:

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

Bring n WOOD said:

I believe it's way too early to judge this staff…. people forget how hard Elko Worked when he landed here to raid the portal, talk to current players and recruits…..He Frankensteined this team of ours together all in short fashion…. He needs time to work with his staff, players and recruits to build something… I think it's way too early to cut bait on his coordinators at this point in time.


I get giving him time, but I totally disagree with not cutting bait with Bateman and Klein. They are both terrible.


The coordinators call the plays using the players they have at their disposal…..tonight we learned (especially on the line of scrimmage) that Texas had much better talent across the board than we do….i'm not willing to blame the coordinators when we don't have the studs yet….

We need upgrades at RB, WR, LBs the worst….but OL and DL too…. our lineman are big… But they are not fast athletic enough.
Or strong enough. The d line pushed them around all night
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FarmersFight95 said:

Bring n WOOD said:

Philip J Fry said:

I'll say I like Elko's killer instincts. Going for it in the first quarter was the right move.

The problem with both was the play call.


Agree with this….Elko has ballz and going for it on 4th was the right call….


It's the right play if you're t.u. going for 1 yard against us, because you're about 90% sure you're gonna get it. It is 100% the wrong call for Elko when the whole season has shown you that you have only about a 10% chance of getting that yard.

What makes it especially hard to accept is that we tried to run it up the middle out of the shotgun both times. And the 2nd time was after an effing timeout! Inexcusable and horrible play-calling.
The second time was not OO the shotgun
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Bring n WOOD said:

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

Bring n WOOD said:

I believe it's way too early to judge this staff…. people forget how hard Elko Worked when he landed here to raid the portal, talk to current players and recruits…..He Frankensteined this team of ours together all in short fashion…. He needs time to work with his staff, players and recruits to build something… I think it's way too early to cut bait on his coordinators at this point in time.


I get giving him time, but I totally disagree with not cutting bait with Bateman and Klein. They are both terrible.


The coordinators call the plays using the players they have at their disposal…..tonight we learned (especially on the line of scrimmage) that Texas had much better talent across the board than we do….i'm not willing to blame the coordinators when we don't have the studs yet….

We need upgrades at RB, WR, LBs the worst….but OL and DL too…. our lineman are big… But they are not fast athletic enough.


Underrated analysis...to fire the coordinators after year one literally might guarantee a multi year purgatory for this program. It will never happen thank God.

The OL/DL disparity either determined the outcome or was the most glaring difference. I am hoping they (our guys) are athletic enough because you can't really coach that up enough to make someone elite.

tu only really relied on Simmons as a young player but you can tell he is a future NFL star barring a injury. They have a very physically developed, seasoned group on both sides of the line and it takes a minute to get there.

Really don't have a choice but to trust who we have as coaches to develop who we have and add a portal stud or two...

Gig'em
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Another therapy session post.

Going to be a lot of these in the next week.
ScottJ89
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Ask Georgia that same question- they were a terrible first half team this year.
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AggieArchitect04 said:

Nothing you said is wrong but this simple fact remains: Elko gets A&M.


Are we that weird that we need someone who "gets us"?
Sterling82
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Knocking calling the same play after numerous failures stands to reason. It doesn't address why we can't run that play and have success at least once because other teams do that all the time. What bothers me is that we were a competent team through 8 games. Afterwards, we steadily digressed to the awful showing last night. It seems to me that there are more fundamental issues inside the locker room than simply changing coordinators. Our problem certainly was not a lack of talent. It was that the talent we had performed way below its capabilities down the stretch.
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LB12Diamond said:

Another therapy session post.

Going to be a lot of these in the next week.


They will last until August lol
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EricHill said:

AggieArchitect04 said:

Nothing you said is wrong but this simple fact remains: Elko gets A&M.


Are we that weird that we need someone who "gets us"?
Dumbest comment of all (not yours, the original post). We would take Richard Simmons in hot pants if he would lead us to a SEC title.

Amazing that they get there in Y1 and we are still on outside looking in.

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I can point to one thing that happened to start that slide. We lost Moss. He was really the only "very talented" skill player we have/had on this team. I don't think that was coincidence.
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