Didn't it sound like that when he hired Bateman?

Mike Elmo's first year defense at A&M also wasn't that special. His total team defensive ranking were

47
39
29
3

Give him time to build this defense up.

No he said he wasn't going to, that's why he hired him.

MosesHallDeadPot94 said:

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Didn't it sound like that when he hired Bateman?

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You do realize Florida's defense was horrible last year and we hired two of their coaches, right? Fisher had many downfalls but one of them was not having a good Rolodex of assistant coaches to hire. It appears Elko has the same issue. Klein and Wiggins are ridiculous. The D is getting worse by the week. We are just killing time until Elko is fired in 4-5 years.

He said that Bateman was going to call the shots but would implement an Elko-schemed defense. Seems to me he should go considering that he has utterly failed in this regard.

He never said he was going to he coaching the defense. We hired him to be a HC - not a coordinator.

If not, he needs to start calling the defensive plays.

Me too!

Maybe Elko learned that from Jimbo?

Elko hiring Bateman made me question A&M hiring Elko. Good head coaches tend to hire good coordinators. Maybe wrong in this instance.

Aggie2 said:

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Elko hiring Bateman made me question A&M hiring Elko. Good head coaches tend to hire good coordinators. Maybe wrong in this instance.

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HCs hire coordinators - whether they end up good or not is after the fact.

runontexas said:

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No he said he wasn't going to, that's why he hired him.

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So the one thing he was supposedly good at they did not want him to do. That sounds about right for our program.

IMHO, where we were as a program probably limited our options. Hopefully as we continue to improve our coaching staff will be upgraded.

AWP 97 said:

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MosesHallDeadPot94 said:

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Didn't it sound like that when he hired Bateman?

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You do realize Florida's defense was horrible last year and we hired two of their coaches, right? Fisher had many downfalls but one of them was not having a good Rolodex of assistant coaches to hire. It appears Elko has the same issue. Klein and Wiggins are ridiculous. The D is getting worse by the week. We are just killing time until Elko is fired in 4-5 years.

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Respectfully, I think you are wrong. Elko needs to RUN the defense and get rid of Bateman. Klein (as terrible as he has been at times) may need to grow a season or two to learn the ways of the SEC, but be in a VERY short leash.

Injuries complicate the picture on defense because within the first 8 plays of the game we lost Jaydon Hill and Will Lee. Those are two of our best DBs. I did not realize that till this morning. That explains why we were torched more than usual.

It's possible Elko may have made a mistake in Bateman. However, that does not mean Elko is a bad head coach. How he handles that potential mistake will define him as a head coach.

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AWP 97 said:

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MosesHallDeadPot94 said:

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Didn't it sound like that when he hired Bateman?

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You do realize Florida's defense was horrible last year and we hired two of their coaches, right? Fisher had many downfalls but one of them was not having a good Rolodex of assistant coaches to hire. It appears Elko has the same issue. Klein and Wiggins are ridiculous. The D is getting worse by the week. We are just killing time until Elko is fired in 4-5 years.

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Respectfully, I think you are wrong. Elko needs to RUN the defense and get rid of Bateman. Klein (as terrible as he has been at times) may need to grow a season or two to learn the ways of the SEC, but be in a VERY short leash.

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if our defense was giving up the least amount of points per game would you feel this way about bateman?

then why does everyone say that about klein and our offense. i believe we are the highest scoring team
in sec play. i am not saying there isn't room for improvement but the results don't match up with many of your opinions.

through 7 games we have scored 30 or more points 5 out of 7 sec games.

Klein has been dealt one setback after another on offense yet he has produced one of the most productive offenses in the SEC. Klein is not a problem and is certainly not terrible.

I'm totally on board w the Bateman and defense criticism. I think theres a chance Bateman was hired as a stop gap until which time Clark Lea would be available again but obviously that's not happening. Also think DL coach Sean Spencer has to carry some blame as our vaunted "best DL in the country" gets no pressure at all. His nickname was "Coach Chaos" but where is the damn chaos??

I'm not on board just yet with Klein being a bad hire. He's lost critical pieces and our offense is doing what it can with a RS freshman. I do however think his 2nd down playcalling is beyond bad and predictable. Stop w the damn runs up the middle on any 2nd down. Every team and every fan knows that's coming

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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DGrimesAg92 said:

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AWP 97 said:

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MosesHallDeadPot94 said:

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Didn't it sound like that when he hired Bateman?

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You do realize Florida's defense was horrible last year and we hired two of their coaches, right? Fisher had many downfalls but one of them was not having a good Rolodex of assistant coaches to hire. It appears Elko has the same issue. Klein and Wiggins are ridiculous. The D is getting worse by the week. We are just killing time until Elko is fired in 4-5 years.

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Respectfully, I think you are wrong. Elko needs to RUN the defense and get rid of Bateman. Klein (as terrible as he has been at times) may need to grow a season or two to learn the ways of the SEC, but be in a VERY short leash.

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if our defense was giving up the least amount of points per game would you feel this way about bateman?

then why does everyone say that about klein and our offense. i believe we are the highest scoring team
in sec play. i am not saying there isn't room for improvement but the results don't match up with many of your opinions.

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But the defense isn't giving up the least amount of points.


Offensively in the SEC: We are 9th in total offense, 2nd in rushing, 2nd in yards per rush, 3rd in rush attempts, 2nd in total rushing yards , 7th in scoring average, 8th in total plays, 7th in TD's scored, 9th in total yards, 10th total offense avg play, 9th in total TD's, 4th in rushing TD's, 13th in pass efficiency, 13th in total passing, 15th in passing attempts to completions, 13th in pass per yards, 12th in pass attempts, 11th in pass yd attempts, 13th in completions, 8th in interceptions, 13th in passing yards and 10th in pass TD's.

So, no, we are NOT leading the SEC on offense, not even close.

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Klein has been dealt one setback after another on offense yet he has produced one of the most productive offenses in the SEC. Klein is not a problem and is certainly not terrible.

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https://storage.googleapis.com/secsports-prod/upload/2024/11/24/9fd41ff1-8902-416f-b9a7-660c1a806014.pdf

In ONLY SEC games A&M is at or near the top of SEC in offensive scoring. That document is ALL games.

6th scoring O overall amongst SEC teams including all games, and scoring 32 ppg in SEC play. The O is not the problem.

DGrimesAg92 said:

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aginresearch said:

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Klein has been dealt one setback after another on offense yet he has produced one of the most productive offenses in the SEC. Klein is not a problem and is certainly not terrible.

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https://storage.googleapis.com/secsports-prod/upload/2024/11/24/9fd41ff1-8902-416f-b9a7-660c1a806014.pdf

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The numbers are not good for EITHER unit.

If reports of Elko taking the reins from Bateman in the second half against both USCe and Auburn are correct, Bateman is not the guy. However, the soft defense that allowed Auburn to drive the field for the tying FG is all on Elko.

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Injuries complicate the picture on defense because within the first 8 plays of the game we lost Jaydon Hill and Will Lee. Those are two of our best DBs. I did not realize that till this morning. That explains why we were torched more than usual.

It's possible Elko may have made a mistake in Bateman. However, that does not mean Elko is a bad head coach. How he handles that potential mistake will define him as a head coach.

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Lee was a loss, but Hill isn't even our best nickel, much less one of our best db's. Since they switched Mayes to nickel and put him out there, all he does is make plays (LSU & Auburn). Hill is above average in run support/blitz, and a liability in coverage.

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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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DGrimesAg92 said:

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AWP 97 said:

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MosesHallDeadPot94 said:

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Didn't it sound like that when he hired Bateman?

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You do realize Florida's defense was horrible last year and we hired two of their coaches, right? Fisher had many downfalls but one of them was not having a good Rolodex of assistant coaches to hire. It appears Elko has the same issue. Klein and Wiggins are ridiculous. The D is getting worse by the week. We are just killing time until Elko is fired in 4-5 years.

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Respectfully, I think you are wrong. Elko needs to RUN the defense and get rid of Bateman. Klein (as terrible as he has been at times) may need to grow a season or two to learn the ways of the SEC, but be in a VERY short leash.

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if our defense was giving up the least amount of points per game would you feel this way about bateman?

then why does everyone say that about klein and our offense. i believe we are the highest scoring team
in sec play. i am not saying there isn't room for improvement but the results don't match up with many of your opinions.

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But the defense isn't giving up the least amount of points.


Offensively in the SEC: We are 9th in total offense, 2nd in rushing, 2nd in yards per rush, 3rd in rush attempts, 2nd in total rushing yards , 7th in scoring average, 8th in total plays, 7th in TD's scored, 9th in total yards, 10th total offense avg play, 9th in total TD's, 4th in rushing TD's, 13th in pass efficiency, 13th in total passing, 15th in passing attempts to completions, 13th in pass per yards, 12th in pass attempts, 11th in pass yd attempts, 13th in completions, 8th in interceptions, 13th in passing yards and 10th in pass TD's.

So, no, we are NOT leading the SEC on offense, not even close.

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and yet in sec play in the one stat that matters most we are the highest scoring team in the league. regardless of every other stat u listed off this is still the case. we have scored more than georgia in 7 games and they hav played 8.

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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DGrimesAg92 said:

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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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DGrimesAg92 said:

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AWP 97 said:

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MosesHallDeadPot94 said:

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Didn't it sound like that when he hired Bateman?

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You do realize Florida's defense was horrible last year and we hired two of their coaches, right? Fisher had many downfalls but one of them was not having a good Rolodex of assistant coaches to hire. It appears Elko has the same issue. Klein and Wiggins are ridiculous. The D is getting worse by the week. We are just killing time until Elko is fired in 4-5 years.

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Respectfully, I think you are wrong. Elko needs to RUN the defense and get rid of Bateman. Klein (as terrible as he has been at times) may need to grow a season or two to learn the ways of the SEC, but be in a VERY short leash.

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if our defense was giving up the least amount of points per game would you feel this way about bateman?

then why does everyone say that about klein and our offense. i believe we are the highest scoring team
in sec play. i am not saying there isn't room for improvement but the results don't match up with many of your opinions.

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But the defense isn't giving up the least amount of points.


Offensively in the SEC: We are 9th in total offense, 2nd in rushing, 2nd in yards per rush, 3rd in rush attempts, 2nd in total rushing yards , 7th in scoring average, 8th in total plays, 7th in TD's scored, 9th in total yards, 10th total offense avg play, 9th in total TD's, 4th in rushing TD's, 13th in pass efficiency, 13th in total passing, 15th in passing attempts to completions, 13th in pass per yards, 12th in pass attempts, 11th in pass yd attempts, 13th in completions, 8th in interceptions, 13th in passing yards and 10th in pass TD's.

So, no, we are NOT leading the SEC on offense, not even close.

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and yet in sec play in the one stat that matters most we are the highest scoring team in the league. regardless of every other stat u listed off this is still the case. we have scored more than georgia in 7 games and they hav played 8.

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We are 7th in total scoring.

DGrimesAg92 said:

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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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DGrimesAg92 said:

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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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DGrimesAg92 said:

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AWP 97 said:

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MosesHallDeadPot94 said:

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Didn't it sound like that when he hired Bateman?

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You do realize Florida's defense was horrible last year and we hired two of their coaches, right? Fisher had many downfalls but one of them was not having a good Rolodex of assistant coaches to hire. It appears Elko has the same issue. Klein and Wiggins are ridiculous. The D is getting worse by the week. We are just killing time until Elko is fired in 4-5 years.

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Respectfully, I think you are wrong. Elko needs to RUN the defense and get rid of Bateman. Klein (as terrible as he has been at times) may need to grow a season or two to learn the ways of the SEC, but be in a VERY short leash.

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if our defense was giving up the least amount of points per game would you feel this way about bateman?

then why does everyone say that about klein and our offense. i believe we are the highest scoring team
in sec play. i am not saying there isn't room for improvement but the results don't match up with many of your opinions.

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But the defense isn't giving up the least amount of points.


Offensively in the SEC: We are 9th in total offense, 2nd in rushing, 2nd in yards per rush, 3rd in rush attempts, 2nd in total rushing yards , 7th in scoring average, 8th in total plays, 7th in TD's scored, 9th in total yards, 10th total offense avg play, 9th in total TD's, 4th in rushing TD's, 13th in pass efficiency, 13th in total passing, 15th in passing attempts to completions, 13th in pass per yards, 12th in pass attempts, 11th in pass yd attempts, 13th in completions, 8th in interceptions, 13th in passing yards and 10th in pass TD's.

So, no, we are NOT leading the SEC on offense, not even close.

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and yet in sec play in the one stat that matters most we are the highest scoring team in the league. regardless of every other stat u listed off this is still the case. we have scored more than georgia in 7 games and they hav played 8.

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We are 7th in total scoring.

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man what are you talking about. please look up the standings in SeC play. we are the highest scoring team during sec games. one team has scored a total of 5 pts more than us in sec games and that is south carolina. they have played one more game than us. so for the third time we are the highest scoring team in the sec in SEC games by average and if we score 5 points against texas overall as well.

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Aggie2 said:

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Elko hiring Bateman made me question A&M hiring Elko. Good head coaches tend to hire good coordinators. Maybe wrong in this instance.

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HCs hire coordinators - whether they end up good or not is after the fact.

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Do you not think it is wise to look at a coordinator's track record? Would you have hired Bateman after his performance at Florida?

Elko stressed he wanted to be CEO of the team and let the coaches coach and he can take care of the CEO requirements.

90ags said:

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Elko stressed he wanted to be CEO of the team and let the coaches coach and he can take care of the CEO requirements.

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Why the hell did we hire Elko then? I thought good defense is what you need in the SEC?

AWP 97 said:

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MosesHallDeadPot94 said:

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Didn't it sound like that when he hired Bateman?

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You do realize Florida's defense was horrible last year and we hired two of their coaches, right? Fisher had many downfalls but one of them was not having a good Rolodex of assistant coaches to hire. It appears Elko has the same issue. Klein and Wiggins are ridiculous. The D is getting worse by the week. We are just killing time until Elko is fired in 4-5 years.

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The Klein hate is maddening to me. He's done far more than I expected with the offense, particularly if you told me Weigman would not work out and Owens would miss the season.

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DGrimesAg92 said:

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aginresearch said:

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Klein has been dealt one setback after another on offense yet he has produced one of the most productive offenses in the SEC. Klein is not a problem and is certainly not terrible.

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https://storage.googleapis.com/secsports-prod/upload/2024/11/24/9fd41ff1-8902-416f-b9a7-660c1a806014.pdf

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The numbers are not good for EITHER unit.

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In SEC play, they are. We are likely 7-0 if we get even just DECENT defense the last two games. Not good or great. Just decent.

Either way, offense was expected to be middle of the pack at best. Anyone who didn't know that wasn't paying attention. Defense was expected to hit the ground running and be good from day one. That's been the disappointment. Offense has overachieved considering the personnel / injuries in my eyes.

Aggie2 said:

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CuervoAg said:

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Aggie2 said:

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Elko hiring Bateman made me question A&M hiring Elko. Good head coaches tend to hire good coordinators. Maybe wrong in this instance.

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HCs hire coordinators - whether they end up good or not is after the fact.

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Do you not think it is wise to look at a coordinator's track record? Would you have hired Bateman after his performance at Florida?

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I can't say whether or not I would have hired him, and certainly after this year, I wouldn't be opposed to moving in another direction. Our defense has underachieved to their talent levels IMHO. But he wasn't the DC at Florida, and he was Co-DC at North Carolina who couldn't run his defense. Macks defenses stunk even worse after they let him go, so he wasn't the problem.

His last time being a full time DC play caller was army, and he turned out a great defense there.

But again, I think he's underachieving this year. Just pointing out the misconceptions about Bateman at Florida and even UNC.

We are playing with a freshmen qb and lost our 2 best running backs. Yet the offense has been productive in every game except norte dame where Connor was trash.

And yet yall are still blaming Klein? Lol