I think that with the combination of 1. Conference expansion (and the elimination of divisions as a result) and 2. Playoff expansion, the future of college football as we knew it is pretty much dead. It's ridiculous to think that a team like Tennessee, Georgia or A&M could be left out of the playoff in favor of a team like Indiana. Here's an interesting scenario:

What if the SEC and Big10 got together and decided they were going to be the only two conferences that could win the national championship in college football and go back to a 4 team playoff between the top 2 from the big 10 and top 2 from SEC? The catch could be that college football moves to a promotion/relegation system similar to that of Euro league soccer. Bottom teams from SEC and Big10 get relegated to tier 2 in the next season. Tier 2 is made up of ACC and BigXII. Top two from those leagues respectively get promoted to the SEC and Big10. Tier 3 could be mountain west and AAC, or even expand that to all remaining FBS conferences that play for their own "national championship" with the top 4 from tier 2 getting a promotion to tier 2.

I personally think that would be awesome and encourage the building of programs over having a 1 off season where you're good that year but suck the next (I.e. Florida state.)

You'll get flamed a lot I'm sure, but I think a promotion and relegation system for CFB would be pretty cool. It would make the stakes a lot higher for bust seasons and give a way to weed out the weaker programs and let up and comers have a chance. But that only works if football breaks off from the other sports to be its own league, otherwise you've got basketball, baseball teams etc all getting dragged up and down based on what the football team did, which would be lame.

Relegation won't happen because of the money at stake. Current SEC and B1G members that will be apart of this theoretical merger won't agree if their spot isn't 100% guaranteed.

That said, the SEC and B1G will spilt off. They would be stupid not to. Knowing the Boise, Colorado, BYU, SMU and Army are all in contention without running anywhere near the gauntlet as most P2 (yes, power 2) teams will not last long. If there are programs in the ACC, Big 12, or anywhere else that are worth a playoff bid, they will be added to the power 2 soon enough.

If you listen closely you will find out that essentially the BIG and SEC are getting 6 teams each in and we are expanding to 14. Now, they aren't really getting 6 in but they are in all reality. It will be set up like this for both SEC and BIG.
Top 2 teams play for CC. Both teams are automatically in 14 team playoff. Winner of CCG gets a 1st round bye.
Then 3rd place team plays 6th place team at home on same weekend. Winner goes to playoff.
Then 4 vs 5 and winner goes to playoff.

So in reality top 6 teams play to see which 4 get in.

Can you imagine CCG weekend with this slate?
This year it would be
11 AM Georgia vs Miss rematch at Georgia
2:30 PM Texas vs Tenn at Texas
6:30 PM. Texas A&M vs Bama in Atlanta

Why would any Big Ten or SEC president or AD vote to potentially have their college relegated to a lower tier after a bad season?

the SEC and B1G may very well go off and form their own playoff

the ACC, Big 12, or Notre Dame stealing at-large spots from those 2 leagues won't be tolerated

especially if the committee ignores strength of schedule

Whats more likely is a merger of the power teams, drop weak b10 and sec, add the remaining power teams in the acc and notre dame.

This is idiotic

Nice try, OP. You can pull the reel again for another token and maybe you'll hit it next time.

Just change it to 16 teams with 4 guaranteed slots each for the B10 and SEC. That would get you possibly 5 SEC teams most years. If you're not in the top 25% of the conference you probably have no business being in the playoffs anyway.

Don't futbol my football

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This is idiotic

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Great substantive response. Why do you think it's idiotic? Because you don't understand it? Your ignorance doesn't mean my idea is idiotic

Someone posts this plan every year. Following Eurotrash is always a bad idea.

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BeatHellOutOfTU said:

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This is idiotic

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Great substantive response. Why do you think it's idiotic? Because you don't understand it? Your ignorance doesn't mean my idea is idiotic

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It's idiotic because in the world of NIL, if you were not in the big 2 conferences you would essentially be dead as no one would come to your school, it essentially would kill your chances to be a power. Also, for fans it essentially ruins any fun that your team could have a chance to win it all.

We have promotion and relegation…

If by dead you mean 100% more exciting then yes CFB is dead.

Here a much simpler proposal. 24 team playoff. Scrap all stupid bowls and create an NIT playoff for the teams who finish outside the top 24.

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If by dead you mean 100% more exciting then yes CFB is dead.

Here a much simpler proposal. 24 team playoff. Scrap all stupid bowls and create an NIT playoff for the teams who finish outside the top 24.

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Something like This is were I think it's eventually going to end up, but the next step is going to be a playoff where the big and sec have a guaranteed number of spots a d byes for their champions

When that happens, the big and sec title game losers will have a guaranteed spot

And when it finally goes to 24 or 32 or whatever larger number, the committee will be i used only for seeding.

The playoff participants will be selected based on their conferences finishes: each league will get a certain number of spots

G5 will get champ only

Big12 and acc could get 2 or 3 spots each, sec and big10 will get the rest

Kind of ironic that you used Indiana, a Big 10 school, as your example.

It wasn't long ago that people were saying a 12 team playoff is great because you guarantee the best team in the country makes it in ("no one outside the top 12 has an argument they're the best team"). Sure enough, it only took until halfway through the first season with a 12 team playoff for people to start arguing about who's going to be unfairly left out.

The reality is there's a lot of above-average SEC teams this year, but not any that stand out. In a 2-team or 4-team playoff of the past, the SEC would be in danger of getting no teams in (if tu doesn't win out). When the top of your conference has six 2-loss teams, it's just reality that there's a really thin line to deciding who's worthy of a playoff spot (whether there's 1, 2, 4 or whatever spots available for the conference). We're only arguing this year that the SEC should have 6 spots because there's 6 teams that are neck-and-neck. The reality is they all lost 2 games and are good but not great teams, and 4 of them will get a spot in the playoffs based on razor-thin margins. It's really hard to design a playoff system that works out great each year. 6 spots for the SEC would be great this year, but other years it would be senseless.

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rootube said:

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If by dead you mean 100% more exciting then yes CFB is dead.

Here a much simpler proposal. 24 team playoff. Scrap all stupid bowls and create an NIT playoff for the teams who finish outside the top 24.

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Something like This is were I think it's eventually going to end up, but the next step is going to be a playoff where the big and sec have a guaranteed number of spots a d byes for their champions

When that happens, the big and sec title game losers will have a guaranteed spot

And when it finally goes to 24 or 32 or whatever larger number, the committee will be i used only for seeding.

The playoff participants will be selected based on their conferences finishes: each league will get a certain number of spots

G5 will get champ only

Big12 and acc could get 2 or 3 spots each, sec and big10 will get the rest

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I disagree on the byes. Play football. Your reward for a 1 seed should be playing at home vs #24.

" It wasn't long ago that people were saying a 12 team playoff is great because you guarantee the best team in the country makes it in"

Nobody was arguing that there would be no controversy. Literally last year a team that was #1 the entire season got left out because they lost a single game in the SEC in the championship game. They also proceeded to blast the team that everyone was crying that got left out of the playoffs 63-3.

So yea, this year is a huge improvement over last year's format.


Here's something that may be shocking to you. If we had a 24 team playoff we would be arguing about #25 and teams "receiving votes". There would still be controversy but it's kind of a different conversation isn't it?


Is a 3 loss Illinois better than a three loss Missouri or LSU. Probably not but surely you can understand that it's a very different discussion.

rootube said:

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NyAggie said:

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rootube said:

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If by dead you mean 100% more exciting then yes CFB is dead.

Here a much simpler proposal. 24 team playoff. Scrap all stupid bowls and create an NIT playoff for the teams who finish outside the top 24.

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Something like This is were I think it's eventually going to end up, but the next step is going to be a playoff where the big and sec have a guaranteed number of spots a d byes for their champions

When that happens, the big and sec title game losers will have a guaranteed spot

And when it finally goes to 24 or 32 or whatever larger number, the committee will be i used only for seeding.

The playoff participants will be selected based on their conferences finishes: each league will get a certain number of spots

G5 will get champ only

Big12 and acc could get 2 or 3 spots each, sec and big10 will get the rest

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I disagree on the byes. Play football. Your reward for a 1 seed should be playing at home vs #24.

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I don't like byes either, but there was something going around recently that had the sec and big looking for byes for their champs plus a guaranteed number of bids

NyAggie said:

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rootube said:

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NyAggie said:

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rootube said:

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If by dead you mean 100% more exciting then yes CFB is dead.

Here a much simpler proposal. 24 team playoff. Scrap all stupid bowls and create an NIT playoff for the teams who finish outside the top 24.

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Something like This is were I think it's eventually going to end up, but the next step is going to be a playoff where the big and sec have a guaranteed number of spots a d byes for their champions

When that happens, the big and sec title game losers will have a guaranteed spot

And when it finally goes to 24 or 32 or whatever larger number, the committee will be i used only for seeding.

The playoff participants will be selected based on their conferences finishes: each league will get a certain number of spots

G5 will get champ only

Big12 and acc could get 2 or 3 spots each, sec and big10 will get the rest

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I disagree on the byes. Play football. Your reward for a 1 seed should be playing at home vs #24.

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I don't like byes either, but there was something going around recently that had the sec z g big looking gut byes for their champs plus a guaranteed number of bids

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I feel confident greed will win out with this. Nobody gets paid for showing a bye on tv. Also with a 24 team playoff the SEC at least can stop worrying about guaranteed spots. We would probably have 7 teams in this year.

rootube said:

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NyAggie said:

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rootube said:

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NyAggie said:

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rootube said:

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If by dead you mean 100% more exciting then yes CFB is dead.

Here a much simpler proposal. 24 team playoff. Scrap all stupid bowls and create an NIT playoff for the teams who finish outside the top 24.

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Something like This is were I think it's eventually going to end up, but the next step is going to be a playoff where the big and sec have a guaranteed number of spots a d byes for their champions

When that happens, the big and sec title game losers will have a guaranteed spot

And when it finally goes to 24 or 32 or whatever larger number, the committee will be i used only for seeding.

The playoff participants will be selected based on their conferences finishes: each league will get a certain number of spots

G5 will get champ only

Big12 and acc could get 2 or 3 spots each, sec and big10 will get the rest

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I disagree on the byes. Play football. Your reward for a 1 seed should be playing at home vs #24.

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I don't like byes either, but there was something going around recently that had the sec z g big looking gut byes for their champs plus a guaranteed number of bids

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I feel confident greed will win out with this. Nobody gets paid for showing a bye on tv. Also with a 24 team playoff the SEC at least can stop worrying about guaranteed spots. We would probably have 7 teams in this year.

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The math with a 24 team playoff means there will be byes

8 byes, the other 16 play first round games

You'd need 16 or 32 for no byes

NyAggie said:

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rootube said:

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NyAggie said:

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rootube said:

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NyAggie said:

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rootube said:

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If by dead you mean 100% more exciting then yes CFB is dead.

Here a much simpler proposal. 24 team playoff. Scrap all stupid bowls and create an NIT playoff for the teams who finish outside the top 24.

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Something like This is were I think it's eventually going to end up, but the next step is going to be a playoff where the big and sec have a guaranteed number of spots a d byes for their champions

When that happens, the big and sec title game losers will have a guaranteed spot

And when it finally goes to 24 or 32 or whatever larger number, the committee will be i used only for seeding.

The playoff participants will be selected based on their conferences finishes: each league will get a certain number of spots

G5 will get champ only

Big12 and acc could get 2 or 3 spots each, sec and big10 will get the rest

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I disagree on the byes. Play football. Your reward for a 1 seed should be playing at home vs #24.

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I don't like byes either, but there was something going around recently that had the sec z g big looking gut byes for their champs plus a guaranteed number of bids

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I feel confident greed will win out with this. Nobody gets paid for showing a bye on tv. Also with a 24 team playoff the SEC at least can stop worrying about guaranteed spots. We would probably have 7 teams in this year.

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The math with a 24 team playoff means there will be byes

8 byes, the other 16 play first round games

You'd need 16 or 32 for no byes

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Good point. I personally would prefer 32 but I just hope they don't do something stupid and expand to 16 and not at least 24. 24 should be the absolute minimum. And I would personally watch the heck out of an NIT style tournament for the rest.

rootube said:

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NyAggie said:

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rootube said:

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NyAggie said:

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rootube said:

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NyAggie said:

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rootube said:

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If by dead you mean 100% more exciting then yes CFB is dead.

Here a much simpler proposal. 24 team playoff. Scrap all stupid bowls and create an NIT playoff for the teams who finish outside the top 24.

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Something like This is were I think it's eventually going to end up, but the next step is going to be a playoff where the big and sec have a guaranteed number of spots a d byes for their champions

When that happens, the big and sec title game losers will have a guaranteed spot

And when it finally goes to 24 or 32 or whatever larger number, the committee will be i used only for seeding.

The playoff participants will be selected based on their conferences finishes: each league will get a certain number of spots

G5 will get champ only

Big12 and acc could get 2 or 3 spots each, sec and big10 will get the rest

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I disagree on the byes. Play football. Your reward for a 1 seed should be playing at home vs #24.

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I don't like byes either, but there was something going around recently that had the sec z g big looking gut byes for their champs plus a guaranteed number of bids

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I feel confident greed will win out with this. Nobody gets paid for showing a bye on tv. Also with a 24 team playoff the SEC at least can stop worrying about guaranteed spots. We would probably have 7 teams in this year.

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The math with a 24 team playoff means there will be byes

8 byes, the other 16 play first round games

You'd need 16 or 32 for no byes

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Good point. I personally would prefer 32 but I just hope they don't do something stupid and expand to 16 and not at least 24. 24 should be the absolute minimum. And I would personally watch the heck out of an NIT style tournament for the rest.

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I like 16, I think it's a stop along the way with 24 the eventual number

I still think that in any format less than 24 the sec and big10 are going to want a guaranteed minimum number of spots

NyAggie said:

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rootube said:

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NyAggie said:

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rootube said:

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NyAggie said:

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rootube said:

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If by dead you mean 100% more exciting then yes CFB is dead.

Here a much simpler proposal. 24 team playoff. Scrap all stupid bowls and create an NIT playoff for the teams who finish outside the top 24.

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Something like This is were I think it's eventually going to end up, but the next step is going to be a playoff where the big and sec have a guaranteed number of spots a d byes for their champions

When that happens, the big and sec title game losers will have a guaranteed spot

And when it finally goes to 24 or 32 or whatever larger number, the committee will be i used only for seeding.

The playoff participants will be selected based on their conferences finishes: each league will get a certain number of spots

G5 will get champ only

Big12 and acc could get 2 or 3 spots each, sec and big10 will get the rest

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I disagree on the byes. Play football. Your reward for a 1 seed should be playing at home vs #24.

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I don't like byes either, but there was something going around recently that had the sec z g big looking gut byes for their champs plus a guaranteed number of bids

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I feel confident greed will win out with this. Nobody gets paid for showing a bye on tv. Also with a 24 team playoff the SEC at least can stop worrying about guaranteed spots. We would probably have 7 teams in this year.

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The math with a 24 team playoff means there will be byes

8 byes, the other 16 play first round games

You'd need 16 or 32 for no byes

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Question: does the market really want to watch the first round of 9-24 play each other? those types of bowl games aren't getting great ratings. I imagine calling it a playoff would get some more interest than currently, but I just don't see it moving the needle much. For example:

Ole Miss vs Illi
TN vs UNLV
Miami vs Iowa State
Boise vs Az St
SMU vs Tulane
BYU vs SCar
A&M vs Army
Colorado vs Clemson

I can only see one of those matchups getting any national attention (CO vs Clemson), and even then it would be the same attention they'd get in a bowl. The only good thing about this scenario is that the host school makes money. The bad (extra injury opportunities, pointless games no one wants to watch, etc) outweigh the pro, in my opinion.

12 is more than enough. 24 or 32 is just ridiculous. Why even have a regular season at that point?

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12 is more than enough. 24 or 32 is just ridiculous. Why even have a regular season at that point?

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Not sure if you have been paying attention but the theory that an expanded playoff negatively impacts the regular season has been fully debunked. You may want to see how crap the new bowl season is this year before you make up your mind.

The Banned said:

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NyAggie said:

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rootube said:

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NyAggie said:

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rootube said:

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NyAggie said:

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rootube said:

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If by dead you mean 100% more exciting then yes CFB is dead.

Here a much simpler proposal. 24 team playoff. Scrap all stupid bowls and create an NIT playoff for the teams who finish outside the top 24.

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Something like This is were I think it's eventually going to end up, but the next step is going to be a playoff where the big and sec have a guaranteed number of spots a d byes for their champions

When that happens, the big and sec title game losers will have a guaranteed spot

And when it finally goes to 24 or 32 or whatever larger number, the committee will be i used only for seeding.

The playoff participants will be selected based on their conferences finishes: each league will get a certain number of spots

G5 will get champ only

Big12 and acc could get 2 or 3 spots each, sec and big10 will get the rest

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I disagree on the byes. Play football. Your reward for a 1 seed should be playing at home vs #24.

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I don't like byes either, but there was something going around recently that had the sec z g big looking gut byes for their champs plus a guaranteed number of bids

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I feel confident greed will win out with this. Nobody gets paid for showing a bye on tv. Also with a 24 team playoff the SEC at least can stop worrying about guaranteed spots. We would probably have 7 teams in this year.

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The math with a 24 team playoff means there will be byes

8 byes, the other 16 play first round games

You'd need 16 or 32 for no byes

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Question: does the market really want to watch the first round of 9-24 play each other? those types of bowl games aren't getting great ratings. I imagine calling it a playoff would get some more interest than currently, but I just don't see it moving the needle much. For example:

Ole Miss vs Illi
TN vs UNLV
Miami vs Iowa State
Boise vs Az St
SMU vs Tulane
BYU vs SCar
A&M vs Army
Colorado vs Clemson

I can only see one of those matchups getting any national attention (CO vs Clemson), and even then it would be the same attention they'd get in a bowl. The only good thing about this scenario is that the host school makes money. The bad (extra injury opportunities, pointless games no one wants to watch, etc) outweigh the pro, in my opinion.

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Just watch the playoff ratings vs the bowls this year and you will have your answer.

NyAggie said:

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rootube said:

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NyAggie said:

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rootube said:

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NyAggie said:

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rootube said:

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NyAggie said:

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rootube said:

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If by dead you mean 100% more exciting then yes CFB is dead.

Here a much simpler proposal. 24 team playoff. Scrap all stupid bowls and create an NIT playoff for the teams who finish outside the top 24.

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Something like This is were I think it's eventually going to end up, but the next step is going to be a playoff where the big and sec have a guaranteed number of spots a d byes for their champions

When that happens, the big and sec title game losers will have a guaranteed spot

And when it finally goes to 24 or 32 or whatever larger number, the committee will be i used only for seeding.

The playoff participants will be selected based on their conferences finishes: each league will get a certain number of spots

G5 will get champ only

Big12 and acc could get 2 or 3 spots each, sec and big10 will get the rest

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I disagree on the byes. Play football. Your reward for a 1 seed should be playing at home vs #24.

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I don't like byes either, but there was something going around recently that had the sec z g big looking gut byes for their champs plus a guaranteed number of bids

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I feel confident greed will win out with this. Nobody gets paid for showing a bye on tv. Also with a 24 team playoff the SEC at least can stop worrying about guaranteed spots. We would probably have 7 teams in this year.

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The math with a 24 team playoff means there will be byes

8 byes, the other 16 play first round games

You'd need 16 or 32 for no byes

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Good point. I personally would prefer 32 but I just hope they don't do something stupid and expand to 16 and not at least 24. 24 should be the absolute minimum. And I would personally watch the heck out of an NIT style tournament for the rest.

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I like 16, I think it's a stop along the way with 24 the eventual number

I still think that in any format less than 24 the sec and big10 are going to want a guaranteed minimum number of spots

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You are probably right but they don't deserve them. Are you going to bump a team in the B12 or ACC or G5 just because you have to force an unranked B10 team in for example.


Right now with a 24 team playoff field the B10 would get five spots and the SEC would get 7. There is no sixth team in the B10 that belongs. That's why they need an NIT equivalent. I'd love to see LSU, Missouri and Vandy play the middle B10 teams.

This year has been infinitely better at fan engagement just for US because it isn't a stupid selection committee maximizing revenue with the same old, same old.

To be honest the four conference champion byes is beyond amazing because four top conferences each get a premiere game as host in a traditional destination bowl. The committee has ZERO SAY on that outcome. I repeat..:ZERO.

this is a good point

in the 2024 playoff...there could be a game among BYU, SMU, Boise State, and Indiana that would be very lackluster / yawn worthy

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this is a good point

in the 2024 playoff...there could be a game among BYU, SMU, Boise State, and Indiana that would be very lackluster / yawn worthy

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I will guarantee you it's not yawn worthy for those teams. Plus is it more "yawn worthy" than the Gasparilla or pinstripe bowl? That is the real comparison.

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this is a good point

in the 2024 playoff...there could be a game among BYU, SMU, Boise State, and Indiana that would be very lackluster / yawn worthy

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I don't know. If Indiana goes into the Horseshoe and upsets tOSU, they'll play Oregon for the Big 10 title. They should pound Purdue next week. If that happens both Indy, and Oregon are in. That begs the question is a two loss tOSU in? If so, does a two loss Alabama, Ol' Miss, Georgia, Tennessee or t.u. get left out.?

Funny thing, the last time I heard anything about Indiana football was listening to the radio when they played USC in the Rose Bowl when we were driving home from beating the Bear in the Cotton Bowl.

Also, Indiana is on the short list of FBS teams we've never played.