holee crap

Just saw a clip from the press conference and it's much more angry than I expected and many more words. Hope to find a clip to post here

Ends with "I'm disgusted by the professionalism of the officiating crew tonight"

Saith: AD Harlan presser#utahfootball #BYU #BYUatUtah #ncaa

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— SAITH Studios (@thoughtyouknew) November 10, 2024

Wow…it's like they let a fan do the press conference.

Said what needed to be said and I'm curious to their contracts because they're either bolting or being the WORST enemy you'd ever want bound within

NyAggie said:

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My solution:

No more conference affiliated refs, have a national pool of PROFESSIONAL refs

Any ref who attended a school in a particular conference or lives in a state within that conferences footprint is not permitted to officiate any game in that conference

This will remove biases and also refs getting marching orders from the league to "protect" the projected playoff teams in the league

No more Joe Alabama reffing the Bama game or former sips reffing tu games m, or big12 offices telling refs to make sure byu wins etc..

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I've wanted this for about 20 years. The NCAA should be an officiating organization now that NIL is here to stay. They can still have NIL rules and enforcement, but either create a new national college football officiating organization or modify the NCAA to handle it. Protecting certain conference darlings by certain conferemcenofficials is not the way to go.

Everyone complains about the refs in every game. If they would nationalize and certify the officials, there would be less possibly of bias.

Yep, more than enough money generated by CFB to train and pay refs like professionals. I believe they are currently paid $20 and hour. These guys should not be weekend warriors.

They should never EVER have any affiliation with a school or conf on the field. Seems like common sense so I can only assume things are the way they are for the porpos eof controlling outcomes.

Big12 did the same crap to Houston last year to ensure sippy got the win.

So were the refs supposed to ignore the fact that the DB tugged on the receiver enough to almost make him fall just because it was a bam bam play at the end of the game? Other angles show DB was way to handsy and grabby.

He is Ass My Dude said:

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Yep, more than enough money generated by CFB to train and pay refs like professionals. I believe they are currently paid $20 and hour. These guys should not be weekend warriors.

They should never EVER have any affiliation with a school or conf on the field. Seems like common sense so I can only assume things are the way they are for the porpos eof controlling outcomes.

Big12 did the same crap to Houston last year to ensure sippy got the win.

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I have a shock for you. Paying referees won't magically make them never miss a call. Those guys who ref big time college ball have tons of experience and overall are very good. Plus the guys I knew who reffed back in the day made very good money outside refereeing games. Most of them did it because they thought it was fun.

We need professional refs, trained the same way across the board and not tied to any specific conference.

Madmarttigan said:

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So were the refs supposed to ignore the fact that the DB tugged on the receiver enough to almost make him fall just because it was a bam bam play at the end of the game? Other angles show DB was way to handsy and grabby.

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Do you watch any of our games?! 20+ yards off the line, our opponents and ourselves do things that probably aren't legal on the streets or in the courts yet it isn't called

That was something that doesn't get called in highschool games

Ive grown really tired of it. When refs can dictate games with bogus calls it's just not fun to watch anymore.

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Do you watch any of our games?! 20+ yards off the line, our opponents and ourselves do things that probably aren't legal on the streets or in the courts yet it isn't called

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Like tackling? Pretty sure that's not legal in the street or courts.

Here’s the penalty that extended the eventual game-winning drive for BYU

This was a 4th down sack to end the game, but called defensive holding

Announcers say “really good call” but that is very debatable pic.twitter.com/RGpw9Qy8nA

— Pick Six Previews (@PickSixPreviews) November 10, 2024

The call in question.

If it's us in blue and the sips in red and we're trying to drive for a game-winning field goal, is it holding? DB seems to grab WR once he changes direction on the route and continues having hands on him as he takes off.

Last 5 minutes of the game are below. A few observations

Utah's AD talking a lot of crap for a team that failed to score a single point after halftime.
First play of the drive should have been a Utah interception but 2 guys whiffed.
Utah coach so incensed by holding call that he didn't seem to notice BYU was draining the clock for the game-winning kick while his team had 2 timeouts left. Utes didn't call a timeout until there were 55 seconds left, guaranteeing themselves no time for any sort of offensive counter.

If there is some sort of ref bias here, what exactly is anyone gaining by BYU making the playoff?
BYU's massive national following that will crank up the TV numbers?
BYU's incredible traveling fan base that wants to get out on the road and go to other stadiums and city centers where they won't buy a single alcoholic beverage or soft drink because of their religious beliefs?

rootube said:

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I have a shock for you. Paying referees won't magically make them never miss a call. Those guys who ref big time college ball have tons of experience and overall are very good. Plus the guys I knew who reffed back in the day made very good money outside refereeing games. Most of them did it because they thought it was fun.

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I don't think anyone on this thread is talking about "missed" calls…

Ghost91 said:

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rootube said:

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I have a shock for you. Paying referees won't magically make them never miss a call. Those guys who ref big time college ball have tons of experience and overall are very good. Plus the guys I knew who reffed back in the day made very good money outside refereeing games. Most of them did it because they thought it was fun.

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I don't think anyone on this thread is talking about "missed" calls…

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OK. Fair enough. Please explain what we need to fix by paying refs. I love these meltdown threads by people who complain about refs who have never called a game in their entire life.

The Porkchop Express said:

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Here’s the penalty that extended the eventual game-winning drive for BYU

This was a 4th down sack to end the game, but called defensive holding

Announcers say “really good call” but that is very debatable pic.twitter.com/RGpw9Qy8nA

— Pick Six Previews (@PickSixPreviews) November 10, 2024

The call in question.

If it's us in blue and the sips in red and we're trying to drive for a game-winning field goal, is it holding? DB seems to grab WR once he changes direction on the route and continues having hands on him as he takes off.

Last 5 minutes of the game are below. A few observations

Utah's AD talking a lot of crap for a team that failed to score a single point after halftime.
First play of the drive should have been a Utah interception but 2 guys whiffed.
Utah coach so incensed by holding call that he didn't seem to notice BYU was draining the clock for the game-winning kick while his team had 2 timeouts left. Utes didn't call a timeout until there were 55 seconds left, guaranteeing themselves no time for any sort of offensive counter.

If there is some sort of ref bias here, what exactly is anyone gaining by BYU making the playoff?
BYU's massive national following that will crank up the TV numbers?
BYU's incredible traveling fan base that wants to get out on the road and go to other stadiums and city centers where they won't buy a single alcoholic beverage or soft drink because of their religious beliefs?

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In regards to what are the refs gaining question.

Both teams are in the big 12, if one makes the playoff, they get a huge payout and notoriety for the conference.

Protecting the only legitimate top 10 team the big 12 has is probably worth the big 12 doing.

So BYU had to go all the way down the field and score after that? Seems Utah lost the game, officiating notwithstanding.

I just love all of these threads about games being fixed by the conferences/ESPN/officials/etc yet there has yet to be a whistle blower even though a fix on this scale would require a lot of people in each conference.

It would also be criminal as fixing games is a felony in this country so how many officials do you guys think want to risk serious jail time?

Kansas Kid said:

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I just love all of these threads about games being fixed by the conferences/ESPN/officials/etc yet there has yet to be a whistle blower even though a fix on this scale would require a lot of people in each conference.

It would also be criminal as fixing games is a felony in this country so how many officials do you guys think want to risk serious jail time?

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Who are you? Do you not know that fixing games has happened since sport has begun? I love how ideally naive you are but to think there aren't outside forces in play while college football is bringing in the most money ever is just foolish

I ask who you are because despite being a longtime member you average 2.4 posts a day yet you're really on a tear now. Just wondering

Logos Stick said:

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So BYU had to go all the way down the field and score after that? Seems Utah lost the game, officiating notwithstanding.

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Was basically three plays iirc.

1. One miracle catch to the 50yd line. Was reviewed called catch on field and stood (right call)
2. An out route for 12ish yards
3. A run for another 10 yds to setup a chip shot

The point the OP is making that there are lots of opportunities for you not get those calls unless you're the golden goose of the moment. If It was Utah (or us) going for the game winning kick, the holding wouldn't have been called, the catch could have likely been called incomplete, etc.


Op some people are following you here, others might as well just be NPCs repeating their same lines.

TAMUallen said:

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And there's those here who say, don't care about it just play!

Yeah if you can dominate your opponents, it never matters. However, we're close to the top and have great games and bad games. It still makes a huge impact with just a few calls. It can influence a game WAY too much as we've blatantly seen in other top 10 games this year (referring to non Aggie games)

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This. On-field parity (referring to talent, coaching, plain old luck, etc.) among the elite has been very high for decades now -- high enough that a well-placed "officiaition mistake" here or there can often be more than enough to decide the outcome for a single high-stakes game. if you spread this out over many games, even many seasons, and aggregate the results, it's an even stronger effect.

Basically if your team is top 20-ish, their "elitehood" depends more on the treatment they get from the officials than the product they put on the field. In many ways it's a game of inches, but every single call or non-call can literally rearrange things, yards at a time.

Those of you who don't think illegal/corrupt things don't happen for the almighty dollar I've never experienced Texas family courts.

Kansas Kid said:

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I just love all of these threads about games being fixed by the conferences/ESPN/officials/etc yet there has yet to be a whistle blower even though a fix on this scale would require a lot of people in each conference.

It would also be criminal as fixing games is a felony in this country so how many officials do you guys think want to risk serious jail time?

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Tim Donaghy was openly betting on the games he was reffing for years before he got caught... as an NBA ref.