Saying that he needs two more years of eligibility cause he went JUCO. Citing NIL earning potential as his reasoning.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/42286584/vanderbilt-qb-diego-pavia-suing-ncaa-eligibility-rules

What say you, zoo?

C'est la Vie.........plus the Polish Salute!

I say Pavia should transfer here and give us an injection of that Johnny Football drug overdose, ONE LAST TIME.

Clock starts when you graduate HS unless you're serving.

Then, sue the high schools for not getting him prepared to jump straight to college?

TexAggie1999 said:

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Why can't someone get NIL money playing for a Junior College?

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They can, but they won't cause no one cares about JUCO football.

Obviously a dumb lawsuit, but agree with greg - the NCAA brought this upon themselves

I hope that the judge will rule that limiting an athlete to 4 years of eligibility in 5 infringes on the rights is the student athlete. Any student enrolled in a school and making progress toward completing a degree should be allowed to participate no matter the age or total years of play.

TexAggie1999 said:

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MisterJones said:

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Saying that he needs two more years of eligibility cause he went JUCO. Citing NIL earning potential as his reasoning.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/42286584/vanderbilt-qb-diego-pavia-suing-ncaa-eligibility-rules

What say you, zoo?

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I say this is ridiculous and it should be thrown out and the plaintiff pay the NCAA's court costs. It sounds like he doesn't want the years of eligibility to apply to time spent playing at a Junior College on the basis that that prevents you from having the opportunity for NIL for as many years. Why can't someone get NIL money playing for a Junior College?

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Kind of disagree. NCAA basically creates its own NIL market through its membership schools, of which Jucos are not a part. So he is limited in NCAA market participation by his outside years in Juco, which makes no sense from a market participation perspective.

It's not that Juco players can't get NIL money in Jucos, it's that participation in Juco athletics limits their participation and earning potential in the NCAA's totally separate, and much larger, monopoly.

ABATTBQ11 said:

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It's not that Juco players can't get NIL money in Jucos, it's that participation in Juco athletics limits their participation and earning potential in the NCAA's totally separate, and much larger, monopoly.

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What about the fact that most states allow high school players to earn NIL $$$

TexasRebel said:

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Clock starts when you graduate HS unless you're serving.

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Clock starts when you enroll in college, university, or junior college. If you never enroll, you still have all your eligibility remaining.

Several years ago there was a man in his 50's who never enrolled in college until his son did and ended up playing w his son (think it was a div2 or div3)

Also, think about baseball players who return to play college football (Chris's Weinke). Our own Mark Farris played baseball for several years, then enrolled at A&M in his mid 20s and had his 4 years of eligibility in football remaining

MisterJones said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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It's not that Juco players can't get NIL money in Jucos, it's that participation in Juco athletics limits their participation and earning potential in the NCAA's totally separate, and much larger, monopoly.

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What about the fact that most states allow high school players to earn NIL $$$

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Separate markets.

Think of it like the NFL telling a guy who played in the CFL that he can only make half of a regular salary or that he can only play from September to November because he's played in the CFL.

Well, if you go back and look at my predictions from long ago you will see that I predicted at some point soon the college teams won't be college teams but be teams "affiliated" with a university. Once that happens there is zero reason years of eligibility is a thing. You will have talented kids that are not good enough to play at next level but plenty good enough to earn 500k or 1M bucks to stay in college for years. It's coming.

turboboost said:

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I say Pavia should transfer here and give us an injection of that Johnny Football drug overdose, ONE LAST TIME.

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Then what about Wiggy

The Ghost of Johnny said:

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I hope that the judge will rule that limiting an athlete to 4 years of eligibility in 5 infringes on the rights is the student athlete. Any student enrolled in a school and making progress toward completing a degree should be allowed to participate no matter the age or total years of play.

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Why even require them to be making progress towards completing a degree?

Why shouldn't someone like Johnny Manziel or any NFL bust come back and play more college ball and make NIL money?

I hope he wins.

It's another ingredient for the chaos stew that collegiate athletics is becoming.

TexasRebel said:

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Clock starts when you graduate HS unless you're serving.

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Which includes Mormon mission…

greg.w.h said:

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TexasRebel said:

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Clock starts when you graduate HS unless you're serving.

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Which includes Mormon mission…

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I always thought the Mormon mission was a cheat code.
3 years to train/lift weights/share the "good news"

Reno Hightower said:

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I hope he wins.

It's another ingredient for the chaos stew that collegiate athletics is becoming.

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If he wins, the next lawsuit will be to eliminate any limitation of the years someone can play college football because it also limits NIL opportunities. They will also sue so that pros can come back and play college ball.

Maybe JFF will make a comeback to supplement his retirement income.

neAGle96 said:

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TexasRebel said:

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Clock starts when you graduate HS unless you're serving.

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Clock starts when you enroll in college, university, or junior college. If you never enroll, you still have all your eligibility remaining.

Several years ago there was a man in his 50's who never enrolled in college until his son did and ended up playing w his son (think it was a div2 or div3)

Also, think about baseball players who return to play college football (Chris's Weinke). Our own Mark Farris played baseball for several years, then enrolled at A&M in his mid 20s and had his 4 years of eligibility in football remaining

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Wong answers only?

Kansas Kid said:

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Reno Hightower said:

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I hope he wins.

It's another ingredient for the chaos stew that collegiate athletics is becoming.

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If he wins, the next lawsuit will be to eliminate any limitation of the years someone can play college football because it also limits NIL opportunities. They will also sue so that pros can come back and play college ball.

Maybe JFF will make a comeback to supplement his retirement income.

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That would be chaotic, wouldn't it.

MisterJones said:

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Saying that he needs two more years of eligibility cause he went JUCO. Citing NIL earning potential as his reasoning.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/42286584/vanderbilt-qb-diego-pavia-suing-ncaa-eligibility-rules

What say you, zoo?

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What are whiny ****

He should have been a better player and then he would not have played JUCO.

Kansas Kid said:

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Reno Hightower said:

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I hope he wins.

It's another ingredient for the chaos stew that collegiate athletics is becoming.

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If he wins, the next lawsuit will be to eliminate any limitation of the years someone can play college football because it also limits NIL opportunities. They will also sue so that pros can come back and play college ball.

Maybe JFF will make a comeback to supplement his retirement income.

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Not sure if that would work. I don't think courts would have a problem with eligibility limits as long as it were equal. In this case, it isn't.

Courts are trust busting and NCAA is in their sites. His suit is consistent with the last few that courts found in favor of.

The Ghost of Johnny said:

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I hope that the judge will rule that limiting an athlete to 4 years of eligibility in 5 infringes on the rights is the student athlete. Any student enrolled in a school and making progress toward completing a degree should be allowed to participate no matter the age or total years of play.

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Is this a joke? It's already ridiculous with guys who have stayed in programs up into their mid to late 20's getting repeat exemptions to be able to compete for spots against guys who are 18-22.

Cut back on the exemptions and shirts, or impose an age limit.

Clock starts when you graduate HS unless you're serving.

5 years to play 4.

Frivolous lawsuit.

The NCAA didn't prevent him from going to D1 football team. And NCAA didn't prevent him from getting paid at JuCo either.

TexasRebel said:

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Clock starts when you graduate HS unless you're serving.

5 years to play 4.

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Clock starts when you enter college.

birdman said:

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TexasRebel said:

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Clock starts when you graduate HS unless you're serving.

5 years to play 4.

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Clock starts when you enter college.

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Guess again?

The Ghost of Johnny said:

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I hope that the judge will rule that limiting an athlete to 4 years of eligibility in 5 infringes on the rights is the student athlete. Any student enrolled in a school and making progress toward completing a degree should be allowed to participate no matter the age or total years of play.

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Do you realize what that would do to college football? College Football would mostly be made up of 25 to early 30 year olds who aren't quite good enough for the NFL. You would have the true high 4 and 5 stars coming out of high school who look destined for the NFL and a bunch of very good players who wouldn't be able to make an NFL roster. These players could keep enough NIL money coming in to live well (plus scholarships) and take easy degrees programs until their skills diminish. Incoming high school classes would shrink dramatically and be just the elite top high school guys.

Why would you ever recruit a 3 star or low 4 star guy if you have a team full of proven players with experience? This would absolutely make college football just another second tier professional league like the USFL.

NiL dramatically impacted college football (IMO for the worse). Getting rid of all limitations of years of eligibility would destroy it completely.

Luckily, this case is NOT about getting rid of all time based eligibility requirements. It is about whether Junior College years should count against NCAA eligibility requirements. It could still be very impactful if the Vanderbilt QB wins. It might mean high school players good enough to make major college programs but not elite programs go the Junior College route to get better so they can be in a better position since their is little drawback to doing so. Hopefully the case loses.

Who knows. The NCAA hasn't really been the Model of Consistency for a while now.

The Ghost of Johnny said:

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I hope that the judge will rule that limiting an athlete to 4 years of eligibility in 5 infringes on the rights is the student athlete. Any student enrolled in a school and making progress toward completing a degree should be allowed to participate no matter the age or total years of play.

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The five years is based on being a full time student at 12 hours… once you are done being a college student, you shouldn't play college sports