Just happened again in the OSU/PSU. Fumble out of the back of the endzone. So dumb.

Hill08 said:

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Just happened again in the OSU/PSU. Fumble out of the back of the endzone. So dumb.

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Not sure why everyone always complains about this rule. There's enough rules protecting the offense. The end zone is an area change of possession occurs.

I like the idea if you fumble the ball out of bounds then it's a turnover.

At least this one was obvious

F Clemson……..

dixichkn said:

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At least this one was obvious

F Clemson……..

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This was not completely obvious, and Ohio State fans can't be happy with the refs. There was no camera angle showing the ball go over the pylon, and the call on the field was TD. The only evidence was basically that the ball-carrier appeared to not be out of bounds when the ball hit his knee jettisoning the ball forward.

Hill08 said:

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Just happened again in the OSU/PSU. Fumble out of the back of the endzone. So dumb.

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What would you have the ruling be?

Being called down without someone touching you is the dumbest

agdaddy04 said:

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Hill08 said:

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Just happened again in the OSU/PSU. Fumble out of the back of the endzone. So dumb.

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Not sure why everyone always complains about this rule. There's enough rules protecting the offense. The end zone is an area change of possession occurs.

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It does not make sense that the ball cannot be advanced forward out of bounds anywhere else on the field.

Ag1188 said:

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dixichkn said:

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At least this one was obvious

F Clemson……..

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It was not obvious, and Ohio State fans can't be happy with the refs given the lack of evidence for overturning the TD call on the field. There was no camera angle showing the ball go over the pylon. The only evidence was basically that the ball-carrier appeared to not be out of bounds when the ball hit his knee jettisoning the ball forward.

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Actually there was tons of evidence to over all the call on the field because it was ruled a TD and it was fumbled well before he scored. Once that happened, there was no call on the field as to if the fumble was a touchback or OB before the goal line so replay had no choice but to make a call. I think with what they had, they got it right. Either way one team was going to hate the call.

Btw, I hate the rule as well.

Watching OSU and PSU,but switching back to Ole Miss and Arkansas occasionally. I'm a Tex Ags outlier- I like to watch Ole Miss run their offense.

Then make it a rule that anytime a fumble goes out of bounds, give it to the defense. Why does the "out of the endzone" argument so different from the sideline? And the 20? Give it to them at 3

Guess I am still salty about Greg Hill and FSU

The end zone is unlike anywhere else on the field.

Kansas Kid said:

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Ag1188 said:

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dixichkn said:

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At least this one was obvious

F Clemson……..

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It was not obvious, and Ohio State fans can't be happy with the refs given the lack of evidence for overturning the TD call on the field. There was no camera angle showing the ball go over the pylon. The only evidence was basically that the ball-carrier appeared to not be out of bounds when the ball hit his knee jettisoning the ball forward.

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Actually there was tons of evidence to over all the call on the field because it was ruled a TD and it was fumbled well before he scored. Once that happened, there was no call on the field as to if the fumble was a touchback or OB before the goal line so replay had no choice but to make a call. I think with what they had, they got it right. Either way one team was going to hate the call.

Btw, I hate the rule as well.

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fair point. Although they could've easily given the ball to Ohio State at the 1 though. I'm glad they didn't but after that horrible taunting call against Penn St earlier, I was surprised they didn't give Ohio St another handout.

Halo Violation was the worst.

Ag1188 said:

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dixichkn said:

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At least this one was obvious

F Clemson……..

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It was not obvious, and Ohio State fans can't be happy with the refs given the lack of evidence for overturning the TD call on the field. There was no camera angle showing the ball go over the pylon. The only evidence was basically that the ball-carrier appeared to not be out of bounds when the ball hit his knee jettisoning the ball forward.

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Wrong. The ball hit his knee and went forward. The ball carrier remained in bounds after the fumble. The ball can't go on a trajectory from sideline inward being the ball landing slightly out of bounds. Therfore, the ball was on a straight line trajectory from the knee to the sideline. It landed half way down the end zone sideline. The ball was inside or over the pylon when crossingdue to pointof contact with knee and where it landed.

Hill08 said:

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Then make it a rule that anytime a fumble goes out of bounds, give it to the defense. Why does the "out of the endzone" argument so different from the sideline? And the 20?

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Because it's a different part of the field.

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mortal said:

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Hill08 said:

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Just happened again in the OSU/PSU. Fumble out of the back of the endzone. So dumb.

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What would you have the ruling be?

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Ball is placed at the spot of the fumble.

LatinAggie1997 said:

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Ag1188 said:

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dixichkn said:

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At least this one was obvious

F Clemson……..

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It was not obvious, and Ohio State fans can't be happy with the refs given the lack of evidence for overturning the TD call on the field. There was no camera angle showing the ball go over the pylon. The only evidence was basically that the ball-carrier appeared to not be out of bounds when the ball hit his knee jettisoning the ball forward.

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Wrong. The ball hit his knee and went forward. The ball carrier remained in bounds after the fumble. The ball can't go on a trajectory from sideline inward being the ball landing slightly out of bounds. Therfore, the ball was on a straight line trajectory from the knee to the sideline. It landed half way down the end zone sideline. The ball was inside or over the pylon when crossingdue to pointof contact with knee and where it landed.

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the ball-carrier's foot was basically on the sideline. And the ball was going horizontal toward the sideline before it hit his knee. Replay-officials could've concluded the ball was going out at an angle, if they wanted. I thought it was obvious using context-clues that it likely went over a part of the pylon, but it was not on camera proving it.

All I'm saying is that it wasn't conclusive enough that no Ohio State fan can argue against the final call.

Look where it landed. Impossible if not inside the pylon. It traveled too far and landed just outside the sideline, one nose of the ball almost touched sideline when hitting the ground.

And if we're going for current rules, how the hell is it that the clock doesn't stop when the runner goes out of bounds (for most of the game)?

Protect the ball at all times. Especially the goal line.

dabo man said:

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And if we're going for current rules, how the hell is it that the clock doesn't stop when the runner goes out of bounds (for most of the game)?

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Because games were lasting forever

Doesn't matter.

The issue is that they called it a TD originally. That's what was being reviewed. Once they had reversed that with indisputable video evidence, the secondary decisions of what happened are up to the review judge's discretion. If they had called it a fumble originally that didn't go out of the end zone, the play likely stands.

F OSU. Glad they lost it. Should not have been the beneficiary of a bs personal foul earlier in the game. I hope they lose the rest of their games.

I've never understood why the defense is awarded the ball without possessing the ball.

The dumbest rule is that an offensive player can duck his head before a tackle and get the defensive player ejected for helmet-to-helmet contact

Least favorite rule is that a blocked punt or fg can be advanced. There is no one from the kicking team back there to even recover the fumble, much less make a tackle.

Definitely Not A Cop said:

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mortal said:

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Hill08 said:

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Just happened again in the OSU/PSU. Fumble out of the back of the endzone. So dumb.

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What would you have the ruling be?

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Ball is placed at the spot of the fumble.

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so, basically no penalty to the offense for fumbling.

while clemson was bad for us, go re-watch '92 Cotton Bowl....other than Q Coryatts amazing safety (still the fastest LB I've ever seen with my own eyes in person), think we had like 8 TOs including 3 by Greg Hill (fish at the time) which included one fumble as we were about to score and that rolls out of the EZ for touchback back to FSU.

Think FSU won like 10-2 and one of the worst timing events of a TO and touchback than I've ever can recall.

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Least favorite rule is that a blocked punt or fg can be advanced. There is no one from the kicking team back there to even recover the fumble, much less make a tackle.

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100% blocked punts and FG's can be advanced if recovered by the defense.

Dumbest rule is grounding.

Tack 5 yards on from spot the ball is thrown from and loss of down.

The way it is now, there's essentially zero penalty.

mortal said:

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Hill08 said:

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Just happened again in the OSU/PSU. Fumble out of the back of the endzone. So dumb.

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What would you have the ruling be?

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If the ball goes out of bounds, it is returned to the place where the fumble occurred.

mortal said:

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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mortal said:

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Hill08 said:

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Just happened again in the OSU/PSU. Fumble out of the back of the endzone. So dumb.

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What would you have the ruling be?

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Ball is placed at the spot of the fumble.

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so, basically no penalty to the offense for fumbling.

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Yes, just like when a ball is fumbled out of bounds ANYWHERE ELSE in the field of play.

agspirit_09 said:

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mortal said:

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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mortal said:

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Hill08 said:

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Just happened again in the OSU/PSU. Fumble out of the back of the endzone. So dumb.

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What would you have the ruling be?

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Ball is placed at the spot of the fumble.

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so, basically no penalty to the offense for fumbling.

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Yes, just like when a ball is fumbled out of bounds ANYWHERE ELSE in the field of play.

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And you still lose that down. People act like they do the play over or something. Also, fumbles aren't always cause by the defense so defense shouldn't get rewarded be default just because a fumble happened