OMB100GAS said:

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rootube said:

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OMB100GAS said:

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Check the stats


SC plays best against dual threat QBs, and not so great with gunslingers in the pocket. We need Conner to start and play like Mizzou. Starting Reed is exactly what they want. Again, we don't want to sub CW in to bring us back from behind.

We need to start CW and Bring in Marcel later

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Can you elaborate on this? Not sure I agree.

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Just go down the list...

Kentucky QB has 72 carries on the year, not an effective dual threat but still- got shut down

Old Dominion QB has wheels but was shut down on the ground. Passing numbers decent despite INTs and being Old Dominino

LSU Nussmeier not a dual threat, capitalized on SC mistakes and threw his way to victory

Akron is akron, one of the worst teams in CFB, not a dual threat, still passed for over 100 yards in a blow out loss

Ole Miss, Dart is mobile and scrambled for some yards but not a true dual threat, beat them with his arm

Bama, Milroe had issues as a dual threat

Oklahoma, both QBs are very mobile and dual threat designs, got swallowed alive, only saving grace was when Arnold came in and got yards with his arm



Can you find me the dual threat QB that played well against them? Because it seems that arm talent is what is needed most

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I hear you and you make some very good points. But let's be real.

The Old Dominion QB averages 1.7 yards per carry on the year
The Kentucky QB averages 1.5 YPC
The Oklahoma running Qb you mention averages 2.3 YPC
Reed averages 5.5 YPC

Comparing Reed to those other dual threats is a big disservice to Reed.

The only one comparable is Milroe and Milroe still had 2 rushing TDs against USC and led his team to victory in albeit a nailbiter.

Dart is duel threat QB. Ole Miss killed USC. LOL

And OUs offense is just hot garbage. And neither QB is a duel threat. Ones a runner only. One ones a passer.

You are trying way too hard.

Here's a fact. USC defense is solid. CW has sucked big time against solid defenses. He also stunk pretty bad on his only road game.

Time to think out of the box.

Just like TP and NIL changed things, we are in the era of dual QBs. Elko will pioneer it. We will win the natty.

I'm a fan of "execute" over "cute". Ideally you could tell the defense our play and succeed anyway. That's not reality of course. But all of this "what their defense prepared for" stuff is way overstated. We should do what we do well. If that involves two QBs fine - but the reason should be how we execute as opposed to their preparation.

Why would we play Weigman? Reed has way better passing stats. Simply too dangerous to play Weigman especially with his turnover issue (more likely to turn the ball over than get a TD).

TAMU74 said:

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Reed starts in my books no question.
I would only bring in Conner if Reed is struggling.
Otherwise keep Conner on the bench unless we've got the game clearly In control going into the fourth quarter.

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This. Makes perfect sense.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I don't think it matters which QB starts and/or finishes. If we can't run the football, we aren't beating them.

Start CW for the 1st quarter, then take him out for the remainder of the game or until he goes 3 and out or causes a turnover. Nothing wrong with giving him another chance. It keeps the opponent guessing on their scheme. However, I support Elko's decision.

Onionman said:

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OMB100GAS said:

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rootube said:

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OMB100GAS said:

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Check the stats


SC plays best against dual threat QBs, and not so great with gunslingers in the pocket. We need Conner to start and play like Mizzou. Starting Reed is exactly what they want. Again, we don't want to sub CW in to bring us back from behind.

We need to start CW and Bring in Marcel later

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Can you elaborate on this? Not sure I agree.

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Just go down the list...

Kentucky QB has 72 carries on the year, not an effective dual threat but still- got shut down

Old Dominion QB has wheels but was shut down on the ground. Passing numbers decent despite INTs and being Old Dominino

LSU Nussmeier not a dual threat, capitalized on SC mistakes and threw his way to victory

Akron is akron, one of the worst teams in CFB, not a dual threat, still passed for over 100 yards in a blow out loss

Ole Miss, Dart is mobile and scrambled for some yards but not a true dual threat, beat them with his arm

Bama, Milroe had issues as a dual threat

Oklahoma, both QBs are very mobile and dual threat designs, got swallowed alive, only saving grace was when Arnold came in and got yards with his arm



Can you find me the dual threat QB that played well against them? Because it seems that arm talent is what is needed most

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I hear you and you make some very good points. But let's be real.

The Old Dominion QB averages 1.7 yards per carry on the year
The Kentucky QB averages 1.5 YPC
The Oklahoma running Qb you mention averages 2.3 YPC
Reed averages 5.5 YPC

Comparing Reed to those other dual threats is a big disservice to Reed.

The only one comparable is Milroe and Milroe still had 2 rushing TDs against USC and led his team to victory in albeit a nailbiter.

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It's true our rushing game is the biggest outlier in terms of teams they have faced. We are the best rushing attack they will face.

But the point is NOT about how good of a dual threat a player is- it is simply about how good SC's rush defense is. It's not about player ability, it's about scheme and match up.

Again, the stats show that SCs losses - Bama, LSU, Ole Miss - All have much superior passing attacks than us. And that also happens to be the weaker part of SC's defense. So again, we are better off if we are able to move the ball with our arm

While SC's DEs may be their strongest point, their DTs are also supposed to be stout. So to me, the key for our passing attack will be if Shanahan can keep from getting abused like he did against LSU in pass protection.

OMB100GAS said:

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Onionman said:

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OMB100GAS said:

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rootube said:

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OMB100GAS said:

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Check the stats


SC plays best against dual threat QBs, and not so great with gunslingers in the pocket. We need Conner to start and play like Mizzou. Starting Reed is exactly what they want. Again, we don't want to sub CW in to bring us back from behind.

We need to start CW and Bring in Marcel later

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Can you elaborate on this? Not sure I agree.

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Just go down the list...

Kentucky QB has 72 carries on the year, not an effective dual threat but still- got shut down

Old Dominion QB has wheels but was shut down on the ground. Passing numbers decent despite INTs and being Old Dominino

LSU Nussmeier not a dual threat, capitalized on SC mistakes and threw his way to victory

Akron is akron, one of the worst teams in CFB, not a dual threat, still passed for over 100 yards in a blow out loss

Ole Miss, Dart is mobile and scrambled for some yards but not a true dual threat, beat them with his arm

Bama, Milroe had issues as a dual threat

Oklahoma, both QBs are very mobile and dual threat designs, got swallowed alive, only saving grace was when Arnold came in and got yards with his arm



Can you find me the dual threat QB that played well against them? Because it seems that arm talent is what is needed most

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I hear you and you make some very good points. But let's be real.

The Old Dominion QB averages 1.7 yards per carry on the year
The Kentucky QB averages 1.5 YPC
The Oklahoma running Qb you mention averages 2.3 YPC
Reed averages 5.5 YPC

Comparing Reed to those other dual threats is a big disservice to Reed.

The only one comparable is Milroe and Milroe still had 2 rushing TDs against USC and led his team to victory in albeit a nailbiter.

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It's true our rushing game is the biggest outlier in terms of teams they have faced. We are the best rushing attack they will face.

But the point is NOT about how good of a dual threat a player is- it is simply about how good SC's rush defense is. It's not about player ability, it's about scheme and match up.

Again, the stats show that SCs losses - Bama, LSU, Ole Miss - All have much superior passing attacks than us. And that also happens to be the weaker part of SC's defense. So again, we are better off if we are able to move the ball with our arm

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Everybody is better off if they can move the ball through the air. I'm just not sure I love the idea of running Weigman out there and hoping he has it that day.

At a bare minimum I think Reed gives us more options to score inside the red zone.

Marcel can pass and run...he's smart, he sees the play, freaking master at zone read and he's just a fuggin winner.

I wouldn't really look at the OU game. OU gave up a pick 6 and a fumble scoop and score and had a total of 6 turnovers. On the other side SC did not commit any TO's. Definitely an outlier.

SC had 9 sacks in the game. Jackson Arnold's rush stat line says 17 carries for -29 with a long of 15 yds. Not sure how many of those are sacks, but certainly looks like he didn't have much success running.

BkYdPitmaster said:

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TAMU74 said:

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Reed starts in my books no question.
I would only bring in Conner if Reed is struggling.
Otherwise keep Conner on the bench unless we've got the game clearly In control going into the fourth quarter.

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This. Makes perfect sense.

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Yes

The is what good football coaches do.

The whole using two QB points. Hot hand. Whatever, just show me posters a few are pretty clueless about football.

Besides the above.

Reed actually won the starting spot back with his play on the field. It was not just given back to him.

DUAL threat is clearly superior. 100% more threats. A single threat quarterback is severely limiting your outcomes!

South Carolina is damn good against the pass and our WRs….are not.

South Carolina is more vulnerable against the run than the pass. Which qb is better at running?

South Carolina thrives (read: NEEDS) on turnovers to keep games close- which QB is more likely to turn the ball over?

This is a night game at a tough place to play - which qb has looked more calm and collected?

I think this is a no brainer to me.

stir8ag said:

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South Carolina is damn good against the pass and our WRs….are not.

South Carolina is more vulnerable against the run than the pass. Which qb is better at running?

South Carolina thrives (read: NEEDS) on turnovers to keep games close- which QB is more likely to turn the ball over?

This is a night game at a tough place to play - which qb has looked more calm and collected?

I think this is a no brainer to me.

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Your second point shows you don't know what you're talking about. Excluding Oklahoma (who sucked in all phases of the game) all SEC opponents have rushed for between 132-140 yards. Amazingly consistent really. SCar is 1-3 on these games. The single game they won the held the opponent to under 100 yards passing. The 3 they lost, opponents all went for 240+ yards of passing.

Seems to me anyone who thinks this game can be won without attacking their secondary is crazy.

Not saying Reed shouldn't start (primarily for turnover reasons as you mentioned), but a game plan to just run all over them is nonsense

LB12Diamond said:

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BkYdPitmaster said:

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TAMU74 said:

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Reed starts in my books no question.
I would only bring in Conner if Reed is struggling.
Otherwise keep Conner on the bench unless we've got the game clearly In control going into the fourth quarter.

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This. Makes perfect sense.

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Yes

The is what good football coaches do.

The whole using two QB points. Hot hand. Whatever, just show me posters a few are pretty clueless about football.

Besides the above.

Reed actually won the starting spot back with his play on the field. It was not just given back to him.

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So selecting a one of two QB's to start and pulling him if he doesn't play well, going back to the other QB who has started is not a 2QB system the relies on the hot hand…. How?

OMB100GAS said:

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Onionman said:

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OMB100GAS said:

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rootube said:

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OMB100GAS said:

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Check the stats


SC plays best against dual threat QBs, and not so great with gunslingers in the pocket. We need Conner to start and play like Mizzou. Starting Reed is exactly what they want. Again, we don't want to sub CW in to bring us back from behind.

We need to start CW and Bring in Marcel later

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Can you elaborate on this? Not sure I agree.

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Just go down the list...

Kentucky QB has 72 carries on the year, not an effective dual threat but still- got shut down

Old Dominion QB has wheels but was shut down on the ground. Passing numbers decent despite INTs and being Old Dominino

LSU Nussmeier not a dual threat, capitalized on SC mistakes and threw his way to victory

Akron is akron, one of the worst teams in CFB, not a dual threat, still passed for over 100 yards in a blow out loss

Ole Miss, Dart is mobile and scrambled for some yards but not a true dual threat, beat them with his arm

Bama, Milroe had issues as a dual threat

Oklahoma, both QBs are very mobile and dual threat designs, got swallowed alive, only saving grace was when Arnold came in and got yards with his arm



Can you find me the dual threat QB that played well against them? Because it seems that arm talent is what is needed most

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I hear you and you make some very good points. But let's be real.

The Old Dominion QB averages 1.7 yards per carry on the year
The Kentucky QB averages 1.5 YPC
The Oklahoma running Qb you mention averages 2.3 YPC
Reed averages 5.5 YPC

Comparing Reed to those other dual threats is a big disservice to Reed.

The only one comparable is Milroe and Milroe still had 2 rushing TDs against USC and led his team to victory in albeit a nailbiter.

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It's true our rushing game is the biggest outlier in terms of teams they have faced. We are the best rushing attack they will face.

But the point is NOT about how good of a dual threat a player is- it is simply about how good SC's rush defense is. It's not about player ability, it's about scheme and match up.

Again, the stats show that SCs losses - Bama, LSU, Ole Miss - All have much superior passing attacks than us. And that also happens to be the weaker part of SC's defense. So again, we are better off if we are able to move the ball with our arm

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So Ole Miss has a better rush defense than USC and so does Tenn. I guess you would have never played the KY dual QB against Ole Miss and never played the Arky dual Qb against Tenn???

And your conclusion is that Ole Miss and LSU gave USC problems throwing....seriously? Dart and Nuss are 2 of the best throwing QBs in football. Of course they gave USC problems. Not many teams have a QB that can throw like they can.

We need to play our best Qb period. Not sure who that will be on the night of the game. I do like the way you are thinking but I think you are making a big leap to look at a small sample size and then jumping to a conclusion that CW should start.

I would have at least one play with Weigman, Reed, and Henderson all in the backfield at the same time. SC probably calls a time out.

TylerAg98 said:

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I would have at least one play with Weigman, Reed, and Henderson all in the backfield at the same time. SC probably calls a time out.

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No, absolutely not. BAS says multiple A&M QBs get injured in that scenario.

Onionman said:

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TylerAg98 said:

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I would have at least one play with Weigman, Reed, and Henderson all in the backfield at the same time. SC probably calls a time out.

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No, absolutely not. BAS says multiple A&M QBs get injured in that scenario.

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I knew this reply was coming!!

TAMU74 said:

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Reed starts in my books no question.
I would only bring in Conner if Reed is struggling.
Otherwise keep Conner on the bench unless we've got the game clearly In control going into the fourth quarter.

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This. Agree completely and why I hope to only see Reed until we have a big 4th quarter lead and give Conner some time...

The Banned said:

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stir8ag said:

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South Carolina is damn good against the pass and our WRs….are not.

South Carolina is more vulnerable against the run than the pass. Which qb is better at running?

South Carolina thrives (read: NEEDS) on turnovers to keep games close- which QB is more likely to turn the ball over?

This is a night game at a tough place to play - which qb has looked more calm and collected?

I think this is a no brainer to me.

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Your second point shows you don't know what you're talking about. Excluding Oklahoma (who sucked in all phases of the game) all SEC opponents have rushed for between 132-140 yards. Amazingly consistent really. SCar is 1-3 on these games. The single game they won the held the opponent to under 100 yards passing. The 3 they lost, opponents all went for 240+ yards of passing.

Seems to me anyone who thinks this game can be won without attacking their secondary is crazy.

Not saying Reed shouldn't start (primarily for turnover reasons as you mentioned), but a game plan to just run all over them is nonsense

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This kind of just screams of I can make numbers say what I want them to say. Alabama won w/ only 209 yds passing and 104 yds rushing. I don't expect us to win putting up the kind of passing numbers Conner was doing vs LSU though. Aside from that, we have had several sub 200 yds/gm passing and still won. I hope get something figured out on that side though, that isn't going to be sustainable against the better teams.

I was actually expecting their run d to be worse than it was based on the tweet below, but they are 7th in yds/rush (2.82)

Texas A&M at South Carolina by the numbers pic.twitter.com/aggFFOsEJE

— SEC Mike (@MichaelWBratton) October 31, 2024