Thanks Trouble. Not sure what Billy was referencing, but I thought that would be a pretty strange decision by the SEC to put them right back in the frying pan a week after that debacle in Austin.

Well you see if the defender turns his head it becomes a blindside block

Looch said that's the ref who threw the flag is the famous horn ref.

That true?

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Didn't Billy say that was a tu affiliated ref that threw the flag?

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I couldn't tell from the SEZ who threw it. I'm happy to dig into his background if y'all can tell me which one it was. Just position, I've got their names.

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Back judge

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I think they had the week off.

No, it was not J Taylor

The back judge was Chris Bikowski.

Crackbacks was how I used to give payback to some real A hole LBs.

Longhorn fan ref through the flag.

As Liucci joked on the Loochador podcast, the SEC is trying to save gas money by having these guys call the game.

In the end they called targeting anyway, but the "blindside" block bs was shocking.

Aggie Dad 26 said:

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"Blind side"

I'm guessing #3 is Stevie Wonder

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He's literally staring at Walker

I do not know who #3 is, but Billy said he was running his mouth all week

I can't find any proof that the back judge is a longhorn fan. Maybe looch was trying to be funny?

For the folks that defend this by saying head to head contact and his head snapping back, go watch the first play of the second half. Our qb gets hit after he releases the ball, directly helmet to helmet, and dropped to the turf and no flag, no ejection. That should be an absolute focal point for officials and nothing. So how is this block bad enough to take away a TD and eject our player? One of those was a terrible call. It just can't be that inconsistent when we are ejecting players and taking points offbthe board.

I hate that call. I thought it was a great block.

I don't think it was targeting. Regardless, I loved it!

Looked like a good block at 45:12.

This. This is one of the new "you hit him too hard" penalties. If he just collides with him in a less violent way, no penalty. Everything else being 100 percent the same it still should be a flag but it would never be called. This the only answer is it was a you hit him too hard penalty.

Best thing about that penalty is the offense didn't miss a beat.

Oh, you want to take away a TD & push us back 15 yards. No biggie. We will still run the ball in for a TD.

Crackback? No ****ing way. Not even close. Look at second image. Freaking eye contact. The problem is that the defender didn't move.. AT ALL. And Walker launched upward. Whether he led with helmet or not, had he simply aimed at chest we have a TD there and a crying LSU defender laying on the ground. Got to be smarter. Stop aiming high.

Aim lower. Got it.

…one quick question: how does one "go lower?" Short of duck walking most people get lower by bending at the waist… which naturally places the head in front of the shoulders… so the solution to "striking high" is to lead with your head and risk a sure targeting penalty if your opponent drops into your strike zone.

I may not be a kinesiology major, but the modern football blocking / tackling requirements seem to have been formulated by Steven hawking or someone equally unfamiliar with human body mechanics.

At minimum we need to turn it into the SEC office to overturn the first half suspension next week.

I'm not saying dive at his legs. Aim at the chest. Walker didn't do that. He literally thrust UPWARD towards the guys chin. I don't care if you like it or not. We are going to get called for that **** every single time. So stop doing it. If the guy ducks and we get called, I'll be furious but have no reason to blame the player. But when he had every opportunity to lay the guy out cleanly and still hit the head, that's on Walker. And it's a loss of focus.

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I'm not saying dive at his legs. Aim at the chest. Walker didn't do that. He literally thrust UPWARD towards the guys chin. I don't care if you like it or not. We are going to get called for that **** every single time. So stop doing it. If the guy ducks and we get called, I'll be furious but have no reason to blame the player. But when he had every opportunity to lay the guy out cleanly and still hit the head, that's on Walker. And it's a loss of focus.

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The real easy way to avoid this penalty is to lead with open hands and not go for a kill shot.

People hate this rule but this is the textbook definition of a blindside block used in officials clinic videos Before you complain, go look at the rule.

"A blind side block is defined as an open field block against an opponent that is initiated from outside the opponent's field of vision, or otherwise in such a
manner that the opponent cannot reasonably defend himself against the block. (Exceptions: (1) the runner; (2) a receiver in the act of attempting to make a catch.)
It is a Personal Foul if a player delivers a blind-side block by attacking an opponent with forcible contact. "

Go to an officials clinic and they will tell you to assume the defensive player is focused on the runner. The last minute look that way wouldn't remove the BSB call. In no way can someone honestly say he had time to defend himself.

For those that say we have made the game soft, I assume you also want Doc to pull out the smelling salts and get a player with a concussion back in the game.

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I'm not saying dive at his legs. Aim at the chest. Walker didn't do that. He literally thrust UPWARD towards the guys chin. I don't care if you like it or not. We are going to get called for that **** every single time. So stop doing it. If the guy ducks and we get called, I'll be furious but have no reason to blame the player. But when he had every opportunity to lay the guy out cleanly and still hit the head, that's on Walker. And it's a loss of focus.

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The real easy way to avoid this penalty is to lead with open hands and not go for a kill shot.

People hate this rule but this is the textbook definition of a blindside block used in officials clinic videos Before you complain, go look at the rule.

"A blind side block is defined as an open field block against an opponent that is initiated from outside the opponent's field of vision, or otherwise in such a
manner that the opponent cannot reasonably defend himself against the block. (Exceptions: (1) the runner; (2) a receiver in the act of attempting to make a catch.)
It is a Personal Foul if a player delivers a blind-side block by attacking an opponent with forcible contact. "

Go to an officials clinic and they will tell you to assume the defensive player is focused on the runner. The last minute look that way wouldn't remove the BSB call. In no way can someone honestly say he had time to defend himself.

For those that say we have made the game soft, I assume you also want Doc to pull out the smelling salts and get a player with a concussion back in the game.

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I think there's got to be a reasonable expectation that it's freaking football and rewarding a player for lollygagging is ridiculous.

it was targeting. wasnt a blindside.

Divining Rod said:

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it was targeting. wasnt a blindside.

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Agree He could have avoided the helmet to helmet contact if he had chosen to do so. It wasnt blindside

All those pictures just to have the wrong take. There is no "targeting" when blocking, or else linemen would get called all the time. They called the blindside first, then that opened the door for it to be targeting. I don't get the "blindside" call at all, middle of the field and the ball was in the middle of the field. I'm not sure I've ever seen that. The broadcast ref said that it was a great call, but I don't get it at all.

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Crackback? No ****ing way. Not even close. Look at second image. Freaking eye contact. The problem is that the defender didn't move.. AT ALL. And Walker launched upward. Whether he led with helmet or not, had he simply aimed at chest we have a TD there and a crying LSU defender laying on the ground. Got to be smarter. Stop aiming high.

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That hit was legal in the past but too violent for today. It's avoided by not trying to inflict that level of violence when it's not necessary.

He made contact with the players head. The defenseless part is the defenders fault for being clueless on the play, but it's our responsibility to be measured in that situation.

I'm glad it didn't come back to haunt us in the game and hope we can somehow get the suspension overturned for USC

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I'm not saying dive at his legs. Aim at the chest. Walker didn't do that. He literally thrust UPWARD towards the guys chin. I don't care if you like it or not. We are going to get called for that **** every single time. So stop doing it. If the guy ducks and we get called, I'll be furious but have no reason to blame the player. But when he had every opportunity to lay the guy out cleanly and still hit the head, that's on Walker. And it's a loss of focus.

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The real easy way to avoid this penalty is to lead with open hands and not go for a kill shot.

People hate this rule but this is the textbook definition of a blindside block used in officials clinic videos Before you complain, go look at the rule.

"A blind side block is defined as an open field block against an opponent that is initiated from outside the opponent's field of vision, or otherwise in such a
manner that the opponent cannot reasonably defend himself against the block. (Exceptions: (1) the runner; (2) a receiver in the act of attempting to make a catch.)
It is a Personal Foul if a player delivers a blind-side block by attacking an opponent with forcible contact. "

Go to an officials clinic and they will tell you to assume the defensive player is focused on the runner. The last minute look that way wouldn't remove the BSB call. In no way can someone honestly say he had time to defend himself.

For those that say we have made the game soft, I assume you also want Doc to pull out the smelling salts and get a player with a concussion back in the game.

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I think there's got to be a reasonable expectation that it's freaking football and rewarding a player for lollygagging is ridiculous.

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I won't disagree with you but don't blame the official for the call. Blame the rule makers.

In the last 20-25 years a number of safety fouls have been added
Blindside blocks
Chop blocks
Targeting
Horsecollar tackles
Players sit out a play if their helmet comes off
Hip drop tackles (NFL only for now but coming to lower levels soon)
Defenseless player concepts
Butt blocking (using front of helmet to initiate a block)
No leaping over players to block a kick
Peel back blocks
Players have to be checked for concussions and can't play if they have one
No bull rushing the snapper on a kick formation
Requiring knee and thigh pads
No wedge blocks on kickoffs
Restrictions on low hits on QBs
Etc

People frequently don't like these safety rules but they are the rules of the game today. The claim is without it, the game will disappear due to litigation and/or legislation along with fewer people playing. Coaches and players have and need to continue to adjust.

PS. Don't forget in 1906, the forward pass was put into the game in the name of safety at the prodding of President Roosevelt.

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Am I missing something here? When you hit the guy eye to eye and the other guy shuts his eyes before the hit, how is that blindside? How's it targeting?

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So it's called defenseless players for targeting and he was facing him when it happened, but it was like split second no time to react and protect yourself. That's why it was called. I used to do that when it was legal. I would say boo right before I got there so they would turn and look at me so it wouldn't be called a blindside. Now u can only shield the player or get in the way.

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All those pictures just to have the wrong take. There is no "targeting" when blocking, or else linemen would get called all the time. They called the blindside first, then that opened the door for it to be targeting. I don't get the "blindside" call at all, middle of the field and the ball was in the middle of the field. I'm not sure I've ever seen that. The broadcast ref said that it was a great call, but I don't get it at all.

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Crackback? No ****ing way. Not even close. Look at second image. Freaking eye contact. The problem is that the defender didn't move.. AT ALL. And Walker launched upward. Whether he led with helmet or not, had he simply aimed at chest we have a TD there and a crying LSU defender laying on the ground. Got to be smarter. Stop aiming high.

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it has nothing to do with leading with the helmet or head to head contact. It was a defenseless player. If they don't have time to react to protect themselves without the ball they call that blindside hit or block. Same with cross blocks on kickoff. They eliminated those as well. I got ear holder a couple of time on kickoff team as a sophomore on varsity. You learn to keep your head on a swivel

My understanding is the targeting was only because he was "considered" defenseless. Any contact to the helmet on a defenseless player is targeting.

You remove the defenseless from this situation (which you obviously should not call him defenseless), the. It is no longer targeting. Targeting in that scenario is only contact with the crown of your helmet which is a much smaller area. He did not hit him with the crown. (They have changed the rule to limit targeting calls). Here they just screwed up by calling him defenseless.

The coaching staff should ask the sec to review that and try to get him back for the first half of Saturday

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My understanding is the targeting was only because he was "considered" defenseless. Any contact to the helmet on a defenseless player is targeting.

You remove the defenseless from this situation (which you obviously should not call him defenseless), the. It is no longer targeting. Targeting in that scenario is only contact with the crown of your helmet which is a much smaller area. He did not hit him with the crown. (They have changed the rule to limit targeting calls). Here they just screwed up by calling him defenseless.

The coaching staff should ask the sec to review that and try to get him back for the first half of Saturday

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No it was a blindside block by definition. A blindside block is a block made with forceable contact to a defenseless player. The defender did not have time to take on the block in this case so therefore it is defenseless. You may not like the rule but it was called appropriately.

Uh he had time. From a blockers perspective the guy was right in front of him with the mask of his helmet facing directly to the blocker. You let up in that scenario and the defensive guy could be the one laying you out.