HoustonAg2106 said:

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Keyno said:

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redaszag99 said:

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It was not a PI. I hate tu more than anyone, but the outcome was correct. The freaking receiver never saw the ball until it hit the DBs hands.

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Doesn't matter. They called it PI and it's unreviewable. Teams get tagged with BS PI all the time

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It wasn't a review that overturned it, the refs together to discuss and decided themselves that it was the wrong call

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After spending several minutes watching the play being shown over and over on the Jumbotron while the trash was cleaned up on the field. Who needs timeouts and challenge flags anymore. Just let the fans throw the challenge flag in the form of a pile of trash on the field and you can do the review on the Jumbotron without ever having to call in the league office.

txags92 said:

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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Keyno said:

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redaszag99 said:

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It was not a PI. I hate tu more than anyone, but the outcome was correct. The freaking receiver never saw the ball until it hit the DBs hands.

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Doesn't matter. They called it PI and it's unreviewable. Teams get tagged with BS PI all the time

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It wasn't a review that overturned it, the refs together to discuss and decided themselves that it was the wrong call

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After spending several minutes watching the play being shown over and over on the Jumbotron while the trash was cleaned up on the field. Who needs timeouts and challenge flags anymore. Just let the fans throw the challenge flag in the form of a pile of trash on the field and you can do the review on the Jumbotron without ever having to call in the league office.

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Yep. The fact that the SEC didn't jump all over this aggressively on the very next day is a mistake

redaszag99 said:

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It was not a PI. I hate tu more than anyone, but the outcome was correct. The freaking receiver never saw the ball until it hit the DBs hands.

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Outcome is correct - I agree… but the timing should not have gone down that way. Spotting the ball and moving the chains should signal the end of "reviewable time"

Feels like Steve Harvey at the beauty pageant…

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txags92 said:

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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Keyno said:

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redaszag99 said:

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It was not a PI. I hate tu more than anyone, but the outcome was correct. The freaking receiver never saw the ball until it hit the DBs hands.

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Doesn't matter. They called it PI and it's unreviewable. Teams get tagged with BS PI all the time

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It wasn't a review that overturned it, the refs together to discuss and decided themselves that it was the wrong call

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After spending several minutes watching the play being shown over and over on the Jumbotron while the trash was cleaned up on the field. Who needs timeouts and challenge flags anymore. Just let the fans throw the challenge flag in the form of a pile of trash on the field and you can do the review on the Jumbotron without ever having to call in the league office.

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Yep. The fact that the SEC didn't jump all over this aggressively on the very next day is a mistake

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Yep. The leagues response should have been that once the call was discussed, the penalty announced, and the ball spotted for the next play, it was an unreversible call at that point and the refs were wrong to reverse it. Letting them rediscuss the call after several minutes of fan interference with the game while watching Jumbotron replays and then reverse an unreversible call was a huge mistake and not announcing it as such is another huge mistake, regardless of what video replay did or didn't show.

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I have money on Smart getting fined for calling out everyone. So messed up

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If I'm Smart, I happily take the fine. He has FU money. Who cares.

He rightfully called out this horse***** And I'm no fan of Kirby Smart.

Oh well.

F**** texas

Hopefully General Welch and our AD get up in Sankey's face and tell him they don't want that asshat crew anywhere near Kyle Field.

The Banned said:

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txags92 said:

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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Keyno said:

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redaszag99 said:

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It was not a PI. I hate tu more than anyone, but the outcome was correct. The freaking receiver never saw the ball until it hit the DBs hands.

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Doesn't matter. They called it PI and it's unreviewable. Teams get tagged with BS PI all the time

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It wasn't a review that overturned it, the refs together to discuss and decided themselves that it was the wrong call

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After spending several minutes watching the play being shown over and over on the Jumbotron while the trash was cleaned up on the field. Who needs timeouts and challenge flags anymore. Just let the fans throw the challenge flag in the form of a pile of trash on the field and you can do the review on the Jumbotron without ever having to call in the league office.

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Yep. The fact that the SEC didn't jump all over this aggressively on the very next day is a mistake

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They didn't because Sankey doesn't run the league anymore, Del Conte does.

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I think it was wrong to waive off the flag but so many keep saying " it's a non reviewable penalty"

It was not reviewed it was discussed

Flags are picked up or waived off all the time
Now waiving off a flag after the whitecap announced the penalty… never seen that happen before

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It was reviewed on the jumbotron while the game was delayed by thr fans throwing bottles on the field. Use your brain

Texas A&M said:

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I've seen plenty of calls reversed when the refs huddle after the play. I've never seen a call reversed after it has been called on the field by the head official. Once a call has been made, it is over.... or should be.

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This - I've NEVER seen this before

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Ag in ATL said:

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People, read a little closer. It was NOT reviewed!!!!! The officials gather
ed and discussed it. My peeve about the play is that there were two fouls called. Def PI and Def holding. I may have missed it but I only saw discussion about the PI, not the holding. Wonder where that went?!?!

And for the record, PI is different between college and the pros. In college, the defender can face guard and does not have to turn around and face the ball. I thought it was very close to being PI but not quite. However, the official called it and it should have stuck. If not for the stoppage of play to clear the debris the officials would likely not have discussed it.

Fortunately GA overcame the call and beat them anyway . At least everyone got to see the sips classlessness.

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If one of the crew felt strongly that it wasn't PI, then why didn't he jump into the first conversation to make sure the call was correct? Why wait after the penalty was announced to the stadium.

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He had to wait to get confirmation that the payment got posted to his account.

redaszag99 said:

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It was not a PI. I hate tu more than anyone, but the outcome was correct. The freaking receiver never saw the ball until it hit the DBs hands.

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It was a terrible call. That call alone should have got that ref in trouble. I dont like the horns anymore than you ags but lets be real, that call was that bad, and should have never happened in the first place.

One thing is likely, some sort of process is going to have to be created to deal with obvious, over the top, incompetent, or corrupt officiating.

In reality, I suspect the SEC league office is so mad about this that they will issue pre-emotive ejections to the whole first team defense for Vanderbilt when they play Texas.

Kirby needs to be bring it up again in the weekly press conference. Fine me again.

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redaszag99 said:

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It was not a PI. I hate tu more than anyone, but the outcome was correct. The freaking receiver never saw the ball until it hit the DBs hands.

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It was a terrible call. That call alone should have got that ref in trouble. I dont like the horns anymore than you ags but lets be real, that call was that bad, and should have never happened in the first place.

One thing is likely, some sort of process is going to have to be created to deal with obvious, over the top, incompetent, or corrupt officiating.

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I thought the OPI on Walker in our game was the worst PI call I'd seen all day and then I saw this one. Sadly, we didn't get a delay for extra ref huddle

ttu_85 said:

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redaszag99 said:

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It was not a PI. I hate tu more than anyone, but the outcome was correct. The freaking receiver never saw the ball until it hit the DBs hands.

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It was a terrible call. That call alone should have got that ref in trouble. I dont like the horns anymore than you ags but lets be real, that call was that bad, and should have never happened in the first place.

One thing is likely, some sort of process is going to have to be created to deal with obvious, over the top, incompetent, or corrupt officiating.

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Call was not terrible. Seen far worse before. It was a 50-50 call.

As a matter of fact, the immediate review of a cannot-be-reviewed call was worse.

And the no-call for trashing the field was also worse.

ttu_85 said:

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It was a terrible call. That call alone should have got that ref in trouble. I dont like the horns anymore than you ags but lets be real, that call was that bad, and should have never happened in the first place.

One thing is likely, some sort of process is going to have to be created to deal with obvious, over the top, incompetent, or corrupt officiating.

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Doesn't matter whether it was a good or bad call. Once the call was announced, the yardage marked off, and the play clock started, it can't be reversed.

Had they discussed it and waved it off prior to announcing (like what happened with us and Mizzou), there's no issue. The way this crew overturned it after the fact is more egregious than the initial bad call.

The whole crew should face a multi-game suspension and never be allowed to officiate a game involving tu or Georgia for the remainder of their careers.

Texas fined $250,000 by SEC for its fans throwing debris on to the field & "must meet requirements" set forth by the league

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) October 20, 2024

😳Now it's getting serious for Texas. SEC says it "is not suspending alcohol sales privileges for the University of Texas at this time but reserves the right to do so if other requirements outlined are not met"

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) October 20, 2024

dixichkn said:

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Oh absolutely it's gonna be swept under the rug and "forgotten". Anything for golden child

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oops

Kirby's Take

themissinglink said:

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Texas fined $250,000 by SEC for its fans throwing debris on to the field & "must meet requirements" set forth by the league

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) October 20, 2024

😳Now it's getting serious for Texas. SEC says it "is not suspending alcohol sales privileges for the University of Texas at this time but reserves the right to do so if other requirements outlined are not met"

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) October 20, 2024

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As an additional penalty, t.u. should forfeit their next game b/c the $250k fine only effects the school, not the idiots in the stands. Each can/bottle tosser should be identified and issued a perma-ban from future games. Also, SEC reps from each member school should meet and vote to kick t.u.out of the conference.

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C@LAg said:

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burnt orange uterus already teabagging the whole conference.

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When the refs picked up that pass interference flag on Mizzou's first drive against us, giving us the ball, were they 'teabagging' the conference in our benefit? Deliberately tilting the scales to benefit A&M? How about when shortly after they called back Mizzou's TD which would have made the score 10-7? Mizzou fan sites were screaming that the refs killed any chance of them having momentum early in the A&M game.

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The PI in that situation was NEVER called. The flag was just picked up. Huge difference.

agracer said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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C@LAg said:

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burnt orange uterus already teabagging the whole conference.

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When the refs picked up that pass interference flag on Mizzou's first drive against us, giving us the ball, were they 'teabagging' the conference in our benefit? Deliberately tilting the scales to benefit A&M? How about when shortly after they called back Mizzou's TD which would have made the score 10-7? Mizzou fan sites were screaming that the refs killed any chance of them having momentum early in the A&M game.

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The PI in that situation was NEVER called. The flag was just picked up. Huge difference.

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And that is what should've happened last night. But the refs completely botched the way they handled it. It was either a screw job to benefit tu or monumental incompetence. Take your pick.

Welp, I did the good Aggie engineer thing and actually, ya know, researched this myself.

The thing is, when something controversial like this goes down, it will be scrutinized 100% BY THE BOOK. So it should be pretty cut and dried. And honestly, it is, partly.

Per 2024 official 2024 NCAA Football Rules, there is one and only mention of the time frame of when a call can be reversed. Rule 5, Art 2, Sec 9 is the image. So the "can't change the call after announcement" is folklore. They CAN change the initial ruling at any time up to the next snap, period. That's the easy part.

So, the sticky part. And what comes with a bit of interpretation. The "reviewable" angle. A PI is not reviewable. A review, aka, Instant replay process, is an actual process initiated in only two ways. (Rule 12, Art 5, Sec 1) By a head coach calling for it, and by refs or replay officials seeing a few things they can call for (too many men, egregious targeting, etc).

During the game, the Jumbotron kept showing the non PI slowmo and the refs could absolutely see it was a bad call while the field was getting trashed. It gave them time to "discuss" (very important, that term) and IMO, they made a business decision and reversed the call.

So, to sum it all up. Refs CAN change a call all the way up the next play. A formal review was NOT initiated by either coach or replay official. tu trash fans did tu trash fan things and delayed the game while blasting the obvious blown call the whole time to the entire stadium. Refs "had a discussion" and decided to reverse and after poring over the rules myself for longer than I want to admit, everything that happened from the ref side was by the book and legal. If highly unusual.

Obviously the situation created by the tu fans is worthy of pitchforks itself and created a horrible precedent, but damn me if it did not work on the refs and created a weird one a million shot that actually (IMHO) actually overturned a ruling that 99.999% of schools would never get…..but somehow still be within bounds of the rules.

Conclusion: Man, I hate those puke orange turds so f'ing hard.