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First off, wife was a field agent with the NLRB. Took early retirement because she said they were essentially a bunch of communists. Second. You all know that Ivy's don't provide scholarships, right? Not the same thing as if they had ruled this for a big time football or basketball school.

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Not surprising at all.

When do these kids form a union and hold a strike? Gonna happen eventually, right? That's the moment things need to change with kids that just want to play the game of football again.

So tax them based on the value of any scholarship dollars they receive.

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So tax them based on the value of any scholarship dollars they receive.

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So are you advocating taxing EVERYONE who receives scholarship money?

I don't think that's a can of worms you actually want to open.

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So tax them based on the value of any scholarship dollars they receive.

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So are you advocating taxing EVERYONE who receives scholarship money?

I don't think that's a can of worms you actually want to open.

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If they are labeled as "employees", yes. Absolutely.

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If they are labeled as "employees", yes. Absolutely.

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You don't get to have it both ways.

Either all scholarship dollars are taxed, or none are taxed.

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If they are labeled as "employees", yes. Absolutely.

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You don't get to have it both ways.

Either all scholarship dollars are taxed, or none are taxed.

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False:

"Taxable
You must include in gross income:

Amounts used for incidental expenses, such as room and board, travel, and optional equipment.
Amounts received as payments for teaching, research, or other services required as a condition for receiving the scholarship or fellowship grant. However, you don't need to include in gross income any amounts you receive for services that are required by the National Health Service Corps Scholarship Program, the Armed Forces Health Professions Scholarship and Financial Assistance Program, or a comprehensive student work-learning-service program (as defined in section 448(e) of the Higher Education Act of 1965) operated by a work college."

https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc421

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Complete deflection of the point.

He's implying he wants to turn the "non-taxable" piece, which you didn't post, into taxable. Which would affect millions of college students nationwide, and many actual student athletes, but also many many more normal students.

All because he's mad a very tiny fraction of kids got some money.

The obsession with stopping this, from people who aren't writing the checks, is completely bonkers.

Only an idiot couldn't see that playing players would fail.

what do you mean by "Fail"?

NIL is not going away, and its trending towards direct pay for play by schools to players within 10 years.

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Only an idiot couldn't see that playing players would fail.

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Name one thing that has failed? Other than your imaginary worldview of what you "thought" things used to be?

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Complete deflection of the point.

He's implying he wants to turn the "non-taxable" piece, which you didn't post, into taxable. Which would affect millions of college students nationwide, and many actual student athletes, but also many many more normal students.

All because he's mad a very tiny fraction of kids got some money.

The obsession with stopping this, from people who aren't writing the checks, is completely bonkers.

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WTF are you talking about? I'm not mad. I'm saying the students can't have it both ways. If they are able to get Employee status, then they must pay taxes on any gifts they receive, including their education, room and board.

Don't be so dense.

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Only an idiot couldn't see that playing players would fail.

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Name one thing that has failed? Other than your imaginary worldview of what you "thought" things used to be?

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Open your eyes. The whole thing is a failure on every level.

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Open your eyes. The whole thing is a failure on every level.

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You still have not named one thing that has failed.

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Open your eyes. The whole thing is a failure on every level.

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You still have not named one thing that has failed.

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The NIL + Transfer Portal have destroyed getting kids who truly want to commit to a school, and it's creating a nightmare for programs in terms of stability and a solid culture in the locker room.

Plus it's already being abused and has little to nothing to do with using N, I, and L.

The transfer portal has absolutely been a disaster. You will see that cleaned up in the next two years or so. But "NIL" is not going anywhere.

So… They are professionals.

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Hopefully they will just get W-2's from the school and they show full freight on tuition, fees room and board. I can't wait to see athletes faces when they show up and the university asks them "How do you want to cover the with-holding on taxes for your $120k a year job as a football player?"

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I think this is kind of how it works already, except I believe money spent on tuition and books is deductible no matter how you earned it. Not sure about dorm living or school meal plans but off campus room and board doesn't count, or at least it didn't back in my day. When I was on academic scholarship they cut me a check each semester and I had to declare it as income, which was taxable to the extent I couldn't show it was spent on deductible expenses.

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The NIL + Transfer Portal have destroyed getting kids who truly want to commit to a school, and it's creating a nightmare for programs in terms of stability and a solid culture in the locker room.

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See, this is the kind of idiocy that keeps fueling this.

The transfer portal, in no way, has "destroyed getting kids who truly want to commit to a school". Those kids can and still will do that. You just want to pretend that awhile ago, those same kids were "committed to a school", rather than just stuck there pissed.

You are trying to apply something to all of college athletes (again this whole conversation is about the fkin Dartmouth bball team, who is surely receiving no NIL money), because you are mad the 1% can transfer and got some money.

A straight up misunderstanding of the issues, dying on hills you don't understand, crying about thinking something that was never how you thought it was, and deciding the answer is to use hyperboles to punish millions, (because you're upset some kids left a school).

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The NIL + Transfer Portal have destroyed getting kids who truly want to commit to a school, and it's creating a nightmare for programs in terms of stability and a solid culture in the locker room.

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See, this is the kind of idiocy that keeps fueling this.

The transfer portal, in no way, has "destroyed getting kids who truly want to commit to a school". Those kids can and still will do that. You just want to pretend that awhile ago, those same kids were "committed to a school", rather than just stuck there pissed.

You are trying to apply something to all of college athletes (again this whole conversation is about the fkin Dartmouth bball team, who is surely receiving no NIL money), because you are mad the 1% can transfer and got some money.

A straight up misunderstanding of the issues, dying on hills you don't understand, crying about thinking something that was never how you thought it was, and deciding the answer is to use hyperboles to punish millions, (because you're upset some kids left a school).

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I have an opinion just like you do, but you come across like a bitter Ag trying to set everyone straight. Lighten up, Francis.

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have an opinion just like you do, but you come across like a bitter Ag trying to set everyone straight. Lighten up, Francis.

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You have "opinions", but no actual points, sweetheart.

Which is typical in this space. Old men crying about change. When presented with facts, they cave into "well I have opinions, it ain't what it used to be." But no actual points.

Like your posts are literally doing what the NCAA is doing. You could probably write their next brief for them.

Wait until these kids find out about self-employment taxes and the litany of other federal and state taxes. At some point some will get audited by the IRS.

They'll grow up fast.

They should pay them all $10/hr and have them clean toilets.

And then recruit some "volunteers" with insane NIL $.

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If they are labeled as "employees", yes. Absolutely.

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You don't get to have it both ways.

Either all scholarship dollars are taxed, or none are taxed.

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i dont think you get it. even f they did get scholarships- the being held to be employees is not because of what they receive, but because of what they do. all scholarships are not equal.

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. all scholarships are not equal.

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Who decides this? The NCAA? The IRS? Not sure you'd want either stepping in.

Who's going to differentiate what a football scholarship vs a tennis scholarship means?

Some old men are upset about the transfer portal (because *that ain't how it used to be*…even though every non sports college student has always been able to transfer at will). And money (even though it certainly isn't theirs.)

But trying to bring in regulators, that I'm sure you hate (and punishing millions of college students in this process), all because you want some glee about a couple receivers and cornerbacks who left and spurned us, is absolutely asinine.

If you play intramural sports what are they going to classify you as?

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bizag07 said:

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Complete deflection of the point.

He's implying he wants to turn the "non-taxable" piece, which you didn't post, into taxable. Which would affect millions of college students nationwide, and many actual student athletes, but also many many more normal students.

All because he's mad a very tiny fraction of kids got some money.

The obsession with stopping this, from people who aren't writing the checks, is completely bonkers.

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WTF are you talking about? I'm not mad. I'm saying the students can't have it both ways. If they are able to get Employee status, then they must pay taxes on any gifts they receive, including their education, room and board.

Don't be so dense.

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I'm dense? Some of scholarship compensation is taxed. Some isn't. All NIL is taxed. If they were employees likely the currently non-taxed items would be conveyed so they still aren't taxed.

That's not being dense.

forget to log into your bizag07 account?

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forget to log into your bizag07 account?

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Dude has conversed and argued with himself in this thread to deliberately deceive people.

I've never responded after my initial comments and dropping off due to work then to return only to watch bizag be a pretentious dick to people with different opinions, which I guess is a reason why greg created an alter - to be the person he really wants to be.

Now we know greg.w.h., aka bizag07, is not a poster to have a trustworthy conversation with.

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BMX Bandit said:

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forget to log into your bizag07 account?

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Dude has conversed and argued with himself in this thread to deliberately deceive people.

I've never responded after my initial comments and dropping off due to work then to return only to watch bizag be a pretentious dick to people with different opinions, which I guess is a reason why greg created an alter - to be the person he really wants to be.

Now we know greg.w.h., aka bizag07, is not a poster to have a trustworthy conversation with.

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So bizag07 is a winky facer!?

He's the resident gadfly.

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forget to log into your bizag07 account?

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Dude has conversed and argued with himself in this thread to deliberately deceive people.

I've never responded after my initial comments and dropping off due to work then to return only to watch bizag be a pretentious dick to people with different opinions, which I guess is a reason why greg created an alter - to be the person he really wants to be.

Now we know greg.w.h., aka bizag07, is not a poster to have a trustworthy conversation with.

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Now I wonder if there is a third personality lurking….

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So tax them based on the value of any scholarship dollars they receive.

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So are you advocating taxing EVERYONE who receives scholarship money?

I don't think that's a can of worms you actually want to open.

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I might be wrong, but I believe athletic scholarships are already taxed.

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forget to log into your bizag07 account?

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Dude has conversed and argued with himself in this thread to deliberately deceive people.

I've never responded after my initial comments and dropping off due to work then to return only to watch bizag be a pretentious dick to people with different opinions, which I guess is a reason why greg created an alter - to be the person he really wants to be.

Now we know greg.w.h., aka bizag07, is not a poster to have a trustworthy conversation with.

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Nice to know i pegged this guy as an ***** all along. He argues points that people don't even make, as if they did, or points not even part of the topic. Then tries to come across as the smartest thing in the room.

I think he has some smarts. but loses it in lack of self awareness.

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bizag07 said:

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So tax them based on the value of any scholarship dollars they receive.

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So are you advocating taxing EVERYONE who receives scholarship money?

I don't think that's a can of worms you actually want to open.

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I might be wrong, but I believe athletic scholarships are already taxed.

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It depends on how the scholarship money (athletic or academic) is spent. Scholarship money spent on tuition & fees is non-taxable, while money spent on room and board is taxable.