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The National Labor Relations Board has ruled in favor of the men's college basketball team at Dartmouth College, classifying them as employees of the university in a decision that could have massive ramifications for the NCAA and the future of college sports.

In September 2023, the Dartmouth College men's basketball team filed a petition with the NLRB by the Service Employees International Union, seeking representation and to be classified as employees of Dartmouth. With the SEIU listed as the petitioner in the motion, the men's basketball team became the latest college athletes to attempt to unionize and challenge the National Collegiate Athletics Association's classification of student-athletes.

Nearly nine years after efforts by Northwestern football players to unionize failed, the NRLB has now issued a ruling that could have massive ramifications for the NCAA.

As first reported by Amanda Christovi of Front Office Sports, the NLRB ruled on Monday that the men's basketball players who filed the petition are employees of the school and will thus be allowed to unionize.

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National Labor Relations Board delivers potential fatal blow to NCAA with landmark Dartmouth ruling


Edit: Do I need say how it is Aggie football related? All of college sports will soon follow suit.

It was good while it lasted.

As long as they form a 501c5 and my contributions to the 12th man foundation become tax deductible again, I'll listen.

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The National Labor Relations Board has ruled in favor of the men's college basketball team at Dartmouth College, classifying them as employees of the university in a decision that could have massive ramifications for the NCAA and the future of college sports.

In September 2023, the Dartmouth College men's basketball team filed a petition with the NLRB by the Service Employees International Union, seeking representation and to be classified as employees of Dartmouth. With the SEIU listed as the petitioner in the motion, the men's basketball team became the latest college athletes to attempt to unionize and challenge the National Collegiate Athletics Association's classification of student-athletes.

Nearly nine years after efforts by Northwestern football players to unionize failed, the NRLB has now issued a ruling that could have massive ramifications for the NCAA.

As first reported by Amanda Christovi of Front Office Sports, the NLRB ruled on Monday that the men's basketball players who filed the petition are employees of the school and will thus be allowed to unionize.

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National Labor Relations Board delivers potential fatal blow to NCAA with landmark Dartmouth ruling


Edit: Do I need say how it is Aggie football related? All of college sports will soon follow suit.

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So they get taxed, then pay their own way through everything after tax? Room/board/food, tuition, ****s, drugs?

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Well, not literally. They'll still play.

Everyone put on their accounting hat. We'll get them somehow.

This was a decision by one regional NLRB director. Same thing happened in a case involving Northwestern University football players back in 2015 and the decision was appealed to the national NLRB board in Washington, which rejected it unanimously, largely because NLRB has no jurisdiction over state schools by statute, so finding that private school athletes were employees while state school athletes are not would be problematic.

Also, these are not scholarship athletes, so the decision seems pretty stupid just on that basis. I would expect this one to get reversed.

To be clear, at the moment, football players at big schools don't want to be employees of the University.

They want to be paid by the collectives, which are separate.

So this isn't the domino you think it is.

Does it make it more iminent that the non-revenue sports split from the revenue ones? Possibly.

But if the statement is that this began the "NCAA's" demise (like we've needed them for years anyway)-No. That was already well on the way with bigger dominos.

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This was a decision by one regional NLRB director. Same thing happened in a case involving Northwestern University football players back in 2015 and the decision was appealed to the national NLRB board in Washington, which rejected it unanimously, largely because NLRB has no jurisdiction over state schools by statute, so finding that private school athletes were employees while state school athletes are not would be problematic.

Also, these are not scholarship athletes, so the decision seems pretty stupid just on that basis. I would expect this one to get reversed.

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That is pretty funny.

Hopefully they will just get W-2's from the school and they show full freight on tuition, fees room and board. I can't wait to see athletes faces when they show up and the university asks them "How do you want to cover the with-holding on taxes for your $120k a year job as a football player?"

So a common student is an employee…sounds wrong.

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To be clear, at the moment, football players at big schools don't want to be employees of the University.

They want to be paid by the collectives, which are separate.

So this isn't the domino you think it is.

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I like your optimism and admit I don't know how this ruling in favor of a Northwestern team will play out,

but having watched things deteriorate since our beloved Governor Newsom signed the Fair Pay to Play Act, which sparked national NIL, not long after another seminal event in college sports, the transfer portal, launched

I don't share your confidence in the trajectory of collegiate sports

Hence, the doom and gloom of it being the end.

Once the money gets involved, the buzzards start circling.

18 year olds being paid millions, what could go wrong?

I'm watching the whole thing burn from a safe distance and not having to spend a dime for the entertainment.

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Hopefully they will just get W-2's from the school and they show full freight on tuition, fees room and board. I can't wait to see athletes faces when they show up and the university asks them "How do you want to cover the with-holding on taxes for your $120k a year job as a football player?"

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I'm sure the majority of them will be happy to take home 70K plus a year.

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Once the money gets involved, the buzzards start circling.

18 year olds being paid millions, what could go wrong?

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50-70 year old coaches paid around 10-12 million as foremen for the state controlled work crew…wonder how that money magically appeared????

Part of the NLRB's statement concludes, "I find that because ... the players perform that work in exchange for compensation, the petitioned-for basketball players are employees within the meaning of the Act."

How is this that case as a school that does not award athletic scholarships?

Dartmouth gives only need-based aid. From their website, "We do not offer any aid based on academic merit, artistic talent, athletic ability or other criteria."

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The National Labor Relations Board has ruled in favor of the men's college basketball team at Dartmouth College, classifying them as employees of the university in a decision that could have massive ramifications for the NCAA and the future of college sports.

In September 2023, the Dartmouth College men's basketball team filed a petition with the NLRB by the Service Employees International Union, seeking representation and to be classified as employees of Dartmouth. With the SEIU listed as the petitioner in the motion, the men's basketball team became the latest college athletes to attempt to unionize and challenge the National Collegiate Athletics Association's classification of student-athletes.

Nearly nine years after efforts by Northwestern football players to unionize failed, the NRLB has now issued a ruling that could have massive ramifications for the NCAA.

As first reported by Amanda Christovi of Front Office Sports, the NLRB ruled on Monday that the men's basketball players who filed the petition are employees of the school and will thus be allowed to unionize.

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National Labor Relations Board delivers potential fatal blow to NCAA with landmark Dartmouth ruling


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So they get taxed, then pay their own way through everything after tax? Room/board/food, tuition, ****s, drugs?

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Future Look: Decoupling the money-driven sports from education will come soon enough. The charade of the big-time collegiate student-athlete will go away. Yeah, they can attend classes at their discretion and at their own cost, if they qualify, just like any other student. Otherwise, they are a paid athlete playing a sport on a university-sponsored team without academic requirements.

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I don't share your confidence in the trajectory of collegiate sports

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The end of what?

The NCAA should have been abolished decades ago. I think the only people you'll find who disagree with that work at the NCAA or smaller schools that thought it was funny when their rivals got punished more than them.

And the work on that has been coming for awhile- nothing new happened today.

The money is going to funnel where it has always funneled. What administrative form that takes is, OK, whatever.

There are plenty of "student athletes" who remain student athletes. There are, and always have been, plenty of athletes, that never gave a **** about being a student. Why people are so passionate about the administrative BS behind that, I'll never know.

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The NLRB has tried to facilitate union membership since 1935. Private employer union membership continues to decline and arguably the government has sovereign immunity from unions at both federal and state level but has ceded so much power to public unions that they continue to grow. Public unions should not be allowed to bargain on anything but wages and should never be allowed to strike or they deserve the Ronald Reagan ending.

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I don't share your confidence in the trajectory of collegiate sports

Hence, the doom and gloom of it being the end.

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The end of what?

The NCAA should have been abolished decades ago. I think the only people you'll find who disagree with that work at the NCAA or smaller schools that thought it was funny when their rivals got punished more than them.

And the work on that has been coming for awhile- nothing new happened today.

The money is going to funnel where it has always funneled. What administrative form that takes is, OK, whatever.

There are plenty of "student athletes" who remain student athletes. There are, and always have been, plenty of athletes, that never gave a **** about being a student. Why people are so passionate about the administrative BS behind that, I'll never know.

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I don't have time for a detailed response for the remainder of the day as work I've been waiting for has finally arrived.

But I hear you. What you're saying is university affiliated athletes will continue to play sports for fan entertainment, so what's the big deal?

Let's get real, student athletes in sports producing millions of revenue (can't necessarily say profit because schools still need work on that) are employees. Athletes work ridiculous hours for themeslves and the team or school that other students dont. They have always been compensated but now can make money from being an athlete.

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But I hear you. What you're saying is university affiliated athletes will continue to play sports for fan entertainment, so what's the big deal?

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And that it has been this way for a VERY long time.

Grown men get real upset when kids make some money (none of which is theirs), for providing a product.

For the big tier kids- good for them. If their coach is making $10M, they shouldn't be happy just living off food and tutoring in the athletic complex (and don't for one second tell me, but the "education" for those guys).

For the rest- who cares if it's a scholarship or a W2 or if they have health insurance and a 401k? Like who cares?

It ain't your money.

But this in no way spells an end to college sports as you knew them (or thought you knew them, which was probably an imaginary fable). ESPECIALLY if you are in a Top40 program.

The biggest impact this would have would be on smaller sports at smaller schools.

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But I hear you. What you're saying is university affiliated athletes will continue to play sports for fan entertainment, so what's the big deal?

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And that it has been this way for a VERY long time.

Grown men get real upset when kids make some money (none of which is theirs), for providing a product.

For the big tier kids- good for them. If their coach is making $10M, they shouldn't be happy just living off food and tutoring in the athletic complex (and don't for one second tell me, but the "education" for those guys).

For the rest- who cares if it's a scholarship or a W2 or if they have health insurance and a 401k? Like who cares?

It ain't your money.

But this in no way spells an end to college sports as you knew them (or thought you knew them, which was probably an imaginary fable). ESPECIALLY if you are in a Top40 program.

The biggest impact this would have would be on smaller sports at smaller schools.

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Or the Ivies….who claim to spend more than the revenue they receive.

I've believed for a long time the athletes should be employed and treated like grad research assistants.

They get paid a monthly stipend and get a tuition waiver.

If they did this a long time ago, we wouldn't have reached this NIL nonsense.

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but having watched things deteriorate since our beloved Governor Newsom signed the Fair Pay to Play Act, which sparked national NIL, not long after another seminal event in college sports, the transfer portal, launched

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California predictably one of the reasons it turned into such a shtt show. They couldn't wait to pass an NIL law after the SCt decision without any considered discussion among NCAA, institutions or states to try to get uniformity. Every state then rushed to pass their own law, resulting in the hodge podge we have now.

California passed and set implementation for 2030 to allows schools and NCAA to respond. After the NCAA v. Alston ruling in June of 2021 they accelerated implementation to September 1, 2021.

Worth noting this analysis on the Alston decision from the Wikipedia article:

"The Supreme Court's recent decision in NCAA v. Alston sheds light on modern federal attitudes towards student athlete compensation.[2] In this case, the Court struck down any potential limitations on education-related benefits that student athletes may receive.[2] Most notably, the Courtand especially Justice Brett Kavanaughrejected the NCAA's "amateurism" argument as an overly broad and outdated defense for failing to allow its revenue-drivers (i.e., student athletes) to receive compensation.[15] The NCAA contended that the Court should defer to its amateurism model because it is a joint venture along with its member schools, but the Court instead reasoned that deference was inappropriate since the NCAA has a monopoly in the relevant market.[15] The Court further rejected the NCAA's appeal that it was not a "commercial enterprise," noting the "highly profitable" and "professional" nature of certain college sports.[15] Shortly after the Court's decision in Alston, the NCAA issued an interim name, image, and likeness policy which permits student athletes to earn this type of compensation."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Pay_to_Play_Act

If they're employees, then they could (and should) be fired. When it comes to men's basketball, my alma mater has been a basement dweller in the Ivy League for decades; haven't gotten even a sniff of a conference title since my time there, in the late 80s.

These young men should be careful what they ask for.

Welcome to the college sports revolution comrades!

Would be funny if now that they are "employees" they are now forbidden to accept NIL money because of restrictions employees have for accepting money from other parties!

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Would be funny if now that they are "employees" they are now forbidden to accept NIL money because of restrictions employees have for accepting money from other parties!

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Except not all "employees" are the same. I can't accept money from a vendor. Sure, that's an obvious conflict of interest.

Athletes can get endorsements. Not really a conflict of interest for Lebron to get paid by Nike even though he's an employee of the Lakers.

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If they're employees, then they could (and should) be fired. When it comes to men's basketball, my alma mater has been a basement dweller in the Ivy League for decades; haven't gotten even a sniff of a conference title since my time there, in the late 80s.

These young men should be careful what they ask for.

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Once again trying to reimplement the failed amateur system. Give up.

They are 5-16 this year. Time to fire them all.

It's been 25 years since they've had a conference winning record and 65 years since they made the NCAA tournament. I think it's time for Dartmouth to disband the basketball program.

First off, wife was a field agent with the NLRB. Took early retirement because she said they were essentially a bunch of communists. Second. You all know that Ivy's don't provide scholarships, right? Not the same thing as if they had ruled this for a big time football or basketball school.

I believe I can provide some clarity here. "The end" won't start at Dartmouth. So no, this is not the end. Unless you play hoops at Dartmouth, where it's also not the end. So no.