A bad decision is a bad decision the results are technically irrelevant…Eliminatus said:GoAgs92 said:
Andy Reid was a dope for going for it on 4th down in the Chiefs
And Campbell was a dope for the same thing.
Good coaches make what turn out to be bad decisions all the time.
Meh the first one (going for it) was a lock if receiver didn't drop. The second one was a 48 yd attempt with a kicker that just doesn't have the record of making those. At all.
It was the wrong decision because that is what hindsight tells us but in the moment BEFORE we know the outcome, I fully understand the reasoning.
It wasn't the field goals. It was the defense not getting a stop in the second half. That's it. That's the loss reason right there. Everything else is a nuance to that. And the defense being suspect is not a secret in Detroit.
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The Lions' kicker, Michael Badgley, was cut by the team in the summer in favor of Riley Patterson. Only when Patterson began to struggle did they sign Badgley back to the practice squad and then elevate him to the active roster.
There's a reason Badgley was available to be signed in mid-December: He's not overly reliable.
Yes, he made an important kick in the win over the Rams, but that was in a dome in front of his home crowd. Badgley had more missed extra points during the regular season than field goal attempts longer than 40 yards.
GoAgs92 said:A bad decision is a bad decision the results are technically irrelevant…Eliminatus said:GoAgs92 said:
Andy Reid was a dope for going for it on 4th down in the Chiefs
And Campbell was a dope for the same thing.
Good coaches make what turn out to be bad decisions all the time.
Meh the first one (going for it) was a lock if receiver didn't drop. The second one was a 48 yd attempt with a kicker that just doesn't have the record of making those. At all.
It was the wrong decision because that is what hindsight tells us but in the moment BEFORE we know the outcome, I fully understand the reasoning.
It wasn't the field goals. It was the defense not getting a stop in the second half. That's it. That's the loss reason right there. Everything else is a nuance to that. And the defense being suspect is not a secret in Detroit.
the texans made the league championship game? missed that news.Quote:
They did better than Dallas and the same as the Texans in the playoffs.
LincolnBorglum79 said:
Campbell still did a great job taking Detroit this far for the first time ever. They did better than Dallas and the same as the Texans in the playoffs.
Bluto said:
29 Years since the Cowboys, with all their resources, have played in a conference championship game.
Texans have never in 22 years played in a conference championship game.
The Detroit Lions have had a grand total of 7 winning seasons in the last 24 years. Dan has 2 of those 7 in the last 3 years taking them from 3-13 his first year to 3 years ago to the NFC Championship game this year and has the most wins in a season since 2000.
He's been able to do in 3 years what the Texans and Cowboys haven't done in a collective 50 years. Pretty impressive.
Bluto said:
29 Years since the Cowboys, with all their resources, have played in a conference championship game.
Texans have never in 22 years played in a conference championship game.
The Detroit Lions have had a grand total of 7 winning seasons in the last 24 years. Dan has 2 of those 7 in the last 3 years taking them from 3-13 his first year to 3 years ago to the NFC Championship game this year and has the most wins in a season since 2000.
He's been able to do in 3 years what the Texans and Cowboys haven't done in a collective 50 years. Pretty impressive.
TMartin said:
Josh Reynold completely turned the Lions momentum over to San Francisco with dropped passes in crucial situations. There would most likely be no discussion about field goals if Reynolds could catch a football.
And this streak will continue until the owner fires the general manager.Bluto said:
29 Years since the Cowboys, with all their resources, have played in a conference championship game.
Dan Campbell went from 3-13-1 in his first year to 12-5 and NFC Championship Game appearance 2 years later. After Dan Campbell started 4-19-1 (3-13-1 in 2021 and 1-6 start in 2022) in his first 24 games, he has gone a remarkable 22-8 (8-2 finish in 2022, 12-5 in 2023 regular season, and 2-1 playoffs) since. Since 1996, every NFC team has made at least one NFC Championship Game appearance except for the Dallas Cowboys and Washington Commanders.Bluto said:
29 Years since the Cowboys, with all their resources, have played in a conference championship game.
Texans have never in 22 years played in a conference championship game.
The Detroit Lions have had a grand total of 7 winning seasons in the last 24 years. Dan has 2 of those 7 in the last 3 years taking them from 3-13 his first year to 3 years ago to the NFC Championship game this year and has the most wins in a season since 2000.
He's been able to do in 3 years what the Texans and Cowboys haven't done in a collective 50 years. Pretty impressive.
I agree on the OPI. I saw two obvious ones that should have been called on SF.Jarrin' Jay said:
I am a huge NFL fan but get tired of the NBA anticipated foul like call of PI, and the complete lack of OPI ever being called other than on a pick/rub play.
On the long pass that Aiyuk caught, the back judge threw a flag for PI, and he was clearly going to call PI on the defense, but it was offensive PI that should have wiped that play result off. DBs 100% have a right to the ball, as much as the WR, and if the are interfered with in trying to catch the ball that is OPI.
On that play the Detroit DB was adjusting to the ball and was going to get an INT, when they both went to make a play on the ball Aiyuk contacts and pushes the DB before the ball arrives.. and that affected the DB and resulted in a ricochet instead of a catch/INT.
Anyway, don't have a problem with most of the 4th down calls by Dan Campbell, though I would have kicked the FG to go up to 27 points. However, coaching / Campbell decisions didn't lose the game. Several key drops and the fumble lost the game.
The 4th down "drop" by Reynolds was not a drop, that was a very hard catch to make, not a great throw. However Josh flat out dropped a key 3rd down play on a perfect throw, then he had another later.. St. Brown also had one in 2H that was a great pass that maybe you could say the DB knocked it lose but it should have been a catch. The Gibbs fumble was probably THE turning point.
HC can't catch the ball or not fumble the ball for the players. Bummer for Detroit and Dan Campbell, but they are elite and will be back in the playoffs for many seasons to come. They need upgrade at LB and DB, LB especially.
Why didn't you just say "since 1995 every NFC team has made at least one NFC Championship Game apperance except the Commanders"?? Picked a funny year to exclude the Cowboys.Iraq2xVeteran said:Dan Campbell went from 3-13-1 in his first year to 12-5 and NFC Championship Game appearance 2 years later. After Dan Campbell started 4-19-1 (3-13-1 in 2021 and 1-6 start in 2022) in his first 24 games, he has gone a remarkable 22-8 (8-2 finish in 2022, 12-5 in 2023 regular season, and 2-1 playoffs) since. Since 1996, every NFC team has made at least one NFC Championship Game appearance except for the Dallas Cowboys and Washington Commanders.Bluto said:
29 Years since the Cowboys, with all their resources, have played in a conference championship game.
Texans have never in 22 years played in a conference championship game.
The Detroit Lions have had a grand total of 7 winning seasons in the last 24 years. Dan has 2 of those 7 in the last 3 years taking them from 3-13 his first year to 3 years ago to the NFC Championship game this year and has the most wins in a season since 2000.
He's been able to do in 3 years what the Texans and Cowboys haven't done in a collective 50 years. Pretty impressive.
I am a 49ers fan, and I think Dan Campbell has done an impressive job, especially after a rough 4-19-1 start that would have destroyed most coaches. The Lions' patience with Dan Campbell has paid off, and they will be a perennial playoff team.
I said since 1996 because the Cowboys have not reached the NFC Championship Game appearance since winning the Super Bowl in 1995. The Cowboys won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years between 1992 to 1995, but they have not reached the NFC Championship Game since then.AgBandsman said:Why didn't you just say "since 1995 every NFC team has made at least one NFC Championship Game apperance except the Commanders"?? Picked a funny year to exclude the Cowboys.Iraq2xVeteran said:Dan Campbell went from 3-13-1 in his first year to 12-5 and NFC Championship Game appearance 2 years later. After Dan Campbell started 4-19-1 (3-13-1 in 2021 and 1-6 start in 2022) in his first 24 games, he has gone a remarkable 22-8 (8-2 finish in 2022, 12-5 in 2023 regular season, and 2-1 playoffs) since. Since 1996, every NFC team has made at least one NFC Championship Game appearance except for the Dallas Cowboys and Washington Commanders.Bluto said:
29 Years since the Cowboys, with all their resources, have played in a conference championship game.
Texans have never in 22 years played in a conference championship game.
The Detroit Lions have had a grand total of 7 winning seasons in the last 24 years. Dan has 2 of those 7 in the last 3 years taking them from 3-13 his first year to 3 years ago to the NFC Championship game this year and has the most wins in a season since 2000.
He's been able to do in 3 years what the Texans and Cowboys haven't done in a collective 50 years. Pretty impressive.
I am a 49ers fan, and I think Dan Campbell has done an impressive job, especially after a rough 4-19-1 start that would have destroyed most coaches. The Lions' patience with Dan Campbell has paid off, and they will be a perennial playoff team.
