Penix is proof you don't even need a top 75 defense (Huskies are 97th overall or some such absurdity) to win. So all this transfer portal stuff and recruiting stuff is nice to talk about in the off season but doesn't really mean much if we don't have The Guy at QB. I hope it's Weigman.

An OL to protect him might be nice too.

Exactly, Penix only had the best Oline in the country in front of him.

Very short sided take. It takes more than just great qb.

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An OL to protect him might be nice too.

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I guess you did not know but the Washington team won the Moore award for the best O-Line this year.

Football is a team sport ... to some level you need everything. Remember the Manziel teams of 2012 and 2013; those teams had a great QB with several first round draft picks on the Oline. You need a really good defense as well.

Let's see what heat Harbaugh draws up for tomorrow night

In that case, we should roll out a 9 WR set next season!

OP, you just devalued A&M degrees worse than being a diploma mill. You are wasting the oxygen you breathe.

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Penix is proof you don't even need a top 75 defense (Huskies are 97th overall or some such absurdity) to win. So all this transfer portal stuff and recruiting stuff is nice to talk about in the off season but doesn't really mean much if we don't have The Guy at QB. I hope it's Weigman.

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Comparing Aggies 2012 vs 2013, I would say defense definitely matters.

What good is a QB who is on his back 85% of the time or injured from free running blitzes?

A great OL can make an average QB look great. A great QB can look below average with a bad Oline.

Could it also be that UW plays in a crappy conference and then tu in the CFP?

Yeah but facts! Forget about who won the game. You need a NFL QB to be in the NC.

Period.

2023 NC QBs Max Dugan/Stetson Bennett
2022 NC QBs Stetson Bennett/Bryce Young
2021 NC QBs Justin Fields/Mac Jones
2020 NC QBs Trevor Lawrence/Joe Burrow
2019 NC QBs Trevor Lawrence/Tua Tagovailoa
2018 NC QBs Jalen Hurts/Jake Fromm
2017 NC QBs Jalen Hurts/Deshaun Watson
2016 NC QBs Jake Coker/Deshaun Watson

Forgot 2024 QBs Penix and McCarthy

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OP, you just devalued A&M degrees worse than being a diploma mill. You are wasting the oxygen you breathe.

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I'm hoping it was tongue in cheek.

Washington's defense is ranked 27 in DFEI.

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Penix is proof you don't even need a top 75 defense (Huskies are 97th overall or some such absurdity) to win. So all this transfer portal stuff and recruiting stuff is nice to talk about in the off season but doesn't really mean much if we don't have The Guy at QB. I hope it's Weigman.

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Comparing Aggies 2012 vs 2013, I would say defense definitely matters.

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Manziel was NOT an NFL caliber QB as it turned out, right?

NFL caliber QBs find a way to win. Look how many one score games Washington won this year. That's because of Penix who will be starting for the Bears later this September.

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Yeah but facts! Forget about who won the game. You need a NFL QB to be in the NC.

Period.

2023 NC QBs Max Dugan/Stetson Bennett
2022 NC QBs Stetson Bennett/Bryce Young
2021 NC QBs Justin Fields/Mac Jones
2020 NC QBs Trevor Lawrence/Joe Burrow
2019 NC QBs Trevor Lawrence/Tua Tagovailoa
2018 NC QBs Jalen Hurts/Jake Fromm
2017 NC QBs Jalen Hurts/Deshaun Watson
2016 NC QBs Jake Coker/Deshaun Watson

Forgot 2024 QBs Penix and McCarthy

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Maybe this counts?

12/20/23
Max Duggan: Signs to Chargers' practice squad
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/max-duggan-signs-to-chargers-practice-squad/

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jonb02 said:

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Penix is proof you don't even need a top 75 defense (Huskies are 97th overall or some such absurdity) to win. So all this transfer portal stuff and recruiting stuff is nice to talk about in the off season but doesn't really mean much if we don't have The Guy at QB. I hope it's Weigman.

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Comparing Aggies 2012 vs 2013, I would say defense definitely matters.

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Manziel was NOT an NFL caliber QB as it turned out, right?

NFL caliber QBs find a way to win. Look how many one score games Washington won this year. That's because of Penix who will be starting for the Bears later this September.

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He was more NFL caliber QB than Max Duggan who was cut & barely made the practice squad.

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jonb02 said:

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Yeah but facts! Forget about who won the game. You need a NFL QB to be in the NC.

Period.

2023 NC QBs Max Dugan/Stetson Bennett
2022 NC QBs Stetson Bennett/Bryce Young
2021 NC QBs Justin Fields/Mac Jones
2020 NC QBs Trevor Lawrence/Joe Burrow
2019 NC QBs Trevor Lawrence/Tua Tagovailoa
2018 NC QBs Jalen Hurts/Jake Fromm
2017 NC QBs Jalen Hurts/Deshaun Watson
2016 NC QBs Jake Coker/Deshaun Watson

Forgot 2024 QBs Penix and McCarthy

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Maybe this counts?

12/20/23
Max Duggan: Signs to Chargers' practice squad
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/max-duggan-signs-to-chargers-practice-squad/

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So ignore the obvious NFL talent on the list? Got it. The rule appears to me to be you need an awesome QB to be in this game. A ****ing awesome round 1 draft pick QB in fact. The exception to me appears to be Dugan Coker Fromm.

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jonb02 said:

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Penix is proof you don't even need a top 75 defense (Huskies are 97th overall or some such absurdity) to win. So all this transfer portal stuff and recruiting stuff is nice to talk about in the off season but doesn't really mean much if we don't have The Guy at QB. I hope it's Weigman.

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Comparing Aggies 2012 vs 2013, I would say defense definitely matters.

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Manziel was NOT an NFL caliber QB as it turned out, right?

NFL caliber QBs find a way to win. Look how many one score games Washington won this year. That's because of Penix who will be starting for the Bears later this September.

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You didn't say "NFL caliber". Johnny was the best "college" QB A&M has ever had and based on his 2012 production, on e of the best seasons of any college QB ever.

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Penix is proof you don't even need a top 75 defense (Huskies are 97th overall or some such absurdity) to win. So all this transfer portal stuff and recruiting stuff is nice to talk about in the off season but doesn't really mean much if we don't have The Guy at QB. I hope it's Weigman.

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Exactly wrong conclusion from the Jimbo era. Mond was adequate in 2020 for our best outcome since 1939.

Offensive/defensive rankings in college are very much subject to the conference you play in. The big 10 had a ton of top ranking defenses this season. But one could (correctly) argue that Big 10 offenses are so putrid that they inflated opposing defensive rankings. In the same way, the Pac10 had some of the best offenses and QB play in the country. You can't just ignore a defense being ranked 97th, but it doesn't tell the whole story either

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Onionman said:

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jonb02 said:

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Yeah but facts! Forget about who won the game. You need a NFL QB to be in the NC.

Period.

2023 NC QBs Max Dugan/Stetson Bennett
2022 NC QBs Stetson Bennett/Bryce Young
2021 NC QBs Justin Fields/Mac Jones
2020 NC QBs Trevor Lawrence/Joe Burrow
2019 NC QBs Trevor Lawrence/Tua Tagovailoa
2018 NC QBs Jalen Hurts/Jake Fromm
2017 NC QBs Jalen Hurts/Deshaun Watson
2016 NC QBs Jake Coker/Deshaun Watson

Forgot 2024 QBs Penix and McCarthy

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Maybe this counts?

12/20/23
Max Duggan: Signs to Chargers' practice squad
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/max-duggan-signs-to-chargers-practice-squad/

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So ignore the obvious NFL talent on the list? Got it. The rule appears to me to be you need an awesome QB to be in this game. A ****ing awesome round 1 draft pick QB in fact. The exception to me appears to be Dugan Coker Fromm.

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Edit: didn't pay attention to all that you wrote.

But you need more than just a good QB.

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Penix is proof you don't even need a top 75 defense (Huskies are 97th overall or some such absurdity) to win. So all this transfer portal stuff and recruiting stuff is nice to talk about in the off season but doesn't really mean much if we don't have The Guy at QB. I hope it's Weigman.

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Comparing Aggies 2012 vs 2013, I would say defense definitely matters.

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Manziel was NOT an NFL caliber QB as it turned out, right?

NFL caliber QBs find a way to win. Look how many one score games Washington won this year. That's because of Penix who will be starting for the Bears later this September.

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You didn't say "NFL caliber". Johnny was the best "college" QB A&M has ever had and based on his 2012 production, on e of the best seasons of any college QB ever.

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My original points remains the same, you basically FOR THE MOST PART need a round 1 NFL draftable QB to make it to the NC game and history/facts support me. Not saying the other positions don't matter, in fact I said they don't matter much if we don't have The Guy at QB. Meaning we could have the #1 D and #1 OL of all time but if we don't have The Guy at QB how does that matter?

Feel confident that Mich will win it all this year. And McCarthy is a good college QB (but far from great) and won't do anything in the NFL.

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Very short sided take. It takes more than just great qb.

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What's the long side of the take?

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jonb02 said:

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Penix is proof you don't even need a top 75 defense (Huskies are 97th overall or some such absurdity) to win. So all this transfer portal stuff and recruiting stuff is nice to talk about in the off season but doesn't really mean much if we don't have The Guy at QB. I hope it's Weigman.

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Comparing Aggies 2012 vs 2013, I would say defense definitely matters.

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Manziel was NOT an NFL caliber QB as it turned out, right?

NFL caliber QBs find a way to win. Look how many one score games Washington won this year. That's because of Penix who will be starting for the Bears later this September.

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You didn't say "NFL caliber". Johnny was the best "college" QB A&M has ever had and based on his 2012 production, on e of the best seasons of any college QB ever.

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My original points remains the same, you basically FOR THE MOST PART need a round 1 NFL draftable QB to make it to the NC game and history/facts support me. Not saying the other positions don't matter, in fact I said they don't matter much if we don't have The Guy at QB. Meaning we could have the #1 D and #1 OL of all time but if we don't have The Guy at QB how does that matter?

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Bama is a counterproof of that statement. For teams who h less talent it almost certainly is true.

I think it takes us two years to be in the 12-team playoff at best. Conner being here is in our favor IF he can stay healthy. Having an oline, running backs that are productive and at least one NFL draftable WR in the first three rounds are also critical on offense. A defense ranked top 10 in scoring defense can mitigate some of that being lesser quality. We were 34 in scoring and 19 in total defense this year. Presuming that he secondary forces more runs (we were 13th in rushing defense) and allows more pressure on passing downs we just need a few national offense not a great one.

There's a difference between NFL QB that has the skills and also willing to put in the work. JFF had the skills. But it stopped there.

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Very short sided take. It takes more than just great qb.

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So much more. Tennessee wins a NC the year after Peyton Manning leaves. Game on the line, you wanna NC winning Tee Martin or Peyton Manning? Peyton is light years ahead of Tee, but Tee has something Peyton can't buy. How'd Aikman do his first year in the NFL?

Are you celebrating the 2 National Chamlionships under Johnny Football? Oh wait!

Come on man

***** also has a top 10 pick at WR and another that will be a late first/early second. Pat Mahomes was under 500 his last year.

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Are you celebrating the 2 National Chamlionships under Johnny Football? Oh wait!

Come on man

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If your take is that we do NOT need an elite QB to sniff the ncaa playoffs you are smoking something good!

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Penix is proof you don't even need a top 75 defense (Huskies are 97th overall or some such absurdity) to win. So all this transfer portal stuff and recruiting stuff is nice to talk about in the off season but doesn't really mean much if we don't have The Guy at QB. I hope it's Weigman.

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Comparing Aggies 2012 vs 2013, I would say defense definitely matters.

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Manziel was NOT an NFL caliber QB as it turned out, right?

NFL caliber QBs find a way to win. Look how many one score games Washington won this year. That's because of Penix who will be starting for the Bears later this September.

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You didn't say "NFL caliber". Johnny was the best "college" QB A&M has ever had and based on his 2012 production, on e of the best seasons of any college QB ever.

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Yes. Johnny was a generational qb talent. Unfortunately we only had an avg defense in 2012 and a below avg defense in 2013. An above avg defense in either season prob would've had us in the conference championship and possibly win a natty

These guys all pretty much sucked in the NFL but won a natty in college, in the past 25 years or so. That's basically half of the NCAA championship teams having average QBs.

Tee Martin
Chris Weinke
Josh Heupel
Ken Dorsey
Craig Krenzel
Matt Mauck
Chris Leak
Greg McElroy
AJ McCarron
JT Barrett
Cardale Jones
Jake Coker
Mac Jones

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aglaes said:

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jonb02 said:

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Penix is proof you don't even need a top 75 defense (Huskies are 97th overall or some such absurdity) to win. So all this transfer portal stuff and recruiting stuff is nice to talk about in the off season but doesn't really mean much if we don't have The Guy at QB. I hope it's Weigman.

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Comparing Aggies 2012 vs 2013, I would say defense definitely matters.

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Manziel was NOT an NFL caliber QB as it turned out, right?

NFL caliber QBs find a way to win. Look how many one score games Washington won this year. That's because of Penix who will be starting for the Bears later this September.

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You didn't say "NFL caliber". Johnny was the best "college" QB A&M has ever had and based on his 2012 production, on e of the best seasons of any college QB ever.

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Yes. Johnny was a generational qb talent. Unfortunately we only had an avg defense in 2012 and a below avg defense in 2013. An above avg defense An accurate FG Kicker in either season 2012 prob would've had us in the conference championship and possibly win a natty

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