This **** with mr. Jim had run its course hell I'm not so sure he wasn't trying to get fired with some of his coaching hires.

Fisher was never going to evolve.
Control freak. And literally nobody has enough hours in a day to do it well, not with everything that's on a HC's plate in todays game….or at least not in the way he wants to continue to control it all.

Wreckingcrew22 said:

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Michigan plays nobody compared to us. If you were to flip A&M and Michigan's schedules with each other from the past decade, A&M is easily making the playoffs more than once. Michigan wouldn't even sniff an SEC west appearance.

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These are all excuses, ultimately. If that is so then let's go back to the B12 and have an easy schedule and get to the NC game. We failed there as well.

Reality is M is in the game and A&M is not.

TRADUCTOR said:

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We hired a guy named JIMBO.

Nostradamus had zero need to predict this outcome.

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Having coaches named Buzz and Jimbo does a lot to dispel stereotypes.

tk for tu juan said:

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2015: 10-3
2016: 10-3
2017: 8-5
2018: 10-3
2019: 9-4
2020: 2-4
2021: 12-2
2022: 13-1
2023: TBD

Maybe if Fisher had three 10 win seasons in the first four years he would have more leash to survive 5-7 and 7-5

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Considering his only down year was Covid year and B1G didn't want to play until everyone else did, you're comparing apples to oranges. That same year was Jimbo's only truly acceptable season. The remainder of his tenure consistently reeked of underperformance. The only bright spot being Elko's defenses.

I was at that Alamo Bowl game. Fun fact: Tom Brady was a freshman 3rd string QB.

Harbaugh decided to cheat, jimbo stayed in 2005

It's not that hard

Don't blame everything on JIMBO. Sumlin wasn't the bees knees and without JFF he would have really sucked. We talk big but accomplish medium.

I'm hoping Elko can change things around.

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My friend up the street is a Michigan alum. He supports the team a lot. A few years ago, A&M and Michigan were ranked next to each other, something like 5 and 6 or something. Our recruiting was almost always better than theirs ranking-wise. We were both very excited about what was coming next. We seemed to be on the threshold of major success. I secretly thought we would get to the championship game before Michigan did but I thankfully I did not tell him that.

Fast forward to today, we just fired our coach, our players are running to the exits, and the program has an uncertain future.
Michigan is in the Championship game.

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and someone in Michigan just won the powerball....prob a Michigan alum. So they get to watch their team win CFP semi against bama.....then wake up this morning several hundy mil richer. FML

Ag in ATL said:

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tk for tu juan said:

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2015: 10-3
2016: 10-3
2017: 8-5
2018: 10-3
2019: 9-4
2020: 2-4
2021: 12-2
2022: 13-1
2023: TBD

Maybe if Fisher had three 10 win seasons in the first four years he would have more leash to survive 5-7 and 7-5

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Considering his only down year was Covid year and B1G didn't want to play until everyone else did, you're comparing apples to oranges. That same year was Jimbo's only truly acceptable season. The remainder of his tenure consistently reeked of underperformance. The only bright spot being Elko's defenses.

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My post was a counter to the post about the Fisher firing being a knee-jerk reaction. Fisher underperforming overall for what he was brought in to do was the entire point.

tk for tu juan said:

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Ag in ATL said:

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tk for tu juan said:

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2015: 10-3
2016: 10-3
2017: 8-5
2018: 10-3
2019: 9-4
2020: 2-4
2021: 12-2
2022: 13-1
2023: TBD

Maybe if Fisher had three 10 win seasons in the first four years he would have more leash to survive 5-7 and 7-5

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Considering his only down year was Covid year and B1G didn't want to play until everyone else did, you're comparing apples to oranges. That same year was Jimbo's only truly acceptable season. The remainder of his tenure consistently reeked of underperformance. The only bright spot being Elko's defenses.

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My post was a counter to the post about the Fisher firing being a knee-jerk reaction. Fisher underperforming overall for what he was brought in to do was the entire point.

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Except he didn't. His recruiting was excellent and his 2020 cfp semi miss was razor thin and frankly was unfair. And that why he was raised and extended. I know it's really easy to forget facts when you're trying to prove an unsubstantiated point..

Loss to App St
6 game losing streak
Loss to Miami
Losses to Ole Miss (3 straight), Miss St (3), Auburn (3), SC, and Arky

Is that what he was brought in to do? How is that not underperforming?

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TX_COWDOC said:

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Well we did beat them in the '95 Alamo Bowl so there's that.

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I was there. One of the best games I've ever seen. It was a blast!

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Me too!

Fisher might have survived but the idiots that gave him the contract doomed him. There is no reason expectations should not be sky high with that kinda coin. It was not a knee jerk reaction. It was ripping of the band aid. If you are happy with no progress after 6 years and 77M then you do you. I will hold on to my little bit of coin rather than give it to an irresponsible organization.

Jim Harbaugh
2015: 10-3 (6-2 Big 10)
2016: 10-3 (7-2 Big 10)
2017: 8-5 (5-4 Big 10)
2018: 10-3 (8-1 Big 10)
2019: 9-4 (6-3 Big 10)
2020: 2-4 (2-4 Big 10)
2021: 12-2 (8-1 Big 10) with CFP semifinal loss
2022: 13-1 (9-0 Big 10) with CFP semifinal loss
2023: 15-0 (9-0 Big 10) CFP national champion or 14-1 CFP national championship runner-up

Because Jim Harbaugh started 0-5 against Ohio State, he could not win the Big 10 East, but he had three 10-win seasons in those 5 years. After going 2-4 in a pandemic shortened 2020 campaign, Harbaugh revamped the entire Michigan program around a power running game, with the explicit purpose of being able to beat Ohio State. As a result, Michigan has won 3 straight games against Ohio State and 3 consecutive Big 10 Championship games.

Jimbo Fisher
2018: 9-4 (5-3 SEC)
2019: 8-5 (4-4 SEC)
2020: 9-1 (8-1 SEC)
2021: 8-4 (4-4 SEC)
2022: 5-7 (2-6 SEC)
2023: 7-4 (4-3 SEC)

At the end of his 4th year, Jimbo began regressing. Dating back to a 29-19 loss at Ole Miss on 11/13/2021, Jimbo went 12-13 and 10-13 against FBS teams, including an embarrassing 17-14 loss to Appalachian State on 9/10/2022. In his last 19 games against Power 5 teams, he went 7-12, including 6-11 in his last 17 SEC games. The biggest problem during Jimbo Fisher's tenure was his inability to win road games, especially against SEC West teams. He lost 9 consecutive road games, including 8 consecutive SEC road games and 6 consecutive road games against SEC West teams. That was the biggest problem during his tenure and led to his demise.

it is interesting looking back at the 1995 Alamo Bowl win over Michigan

that was a huge win for the program from a historical standpoint

probably the best or second best non-conference win for A&M against a true blue blood in the past 40 years

the Cotton Bowl win over OU would be the other in consideration

if we go back 50 years...then the 1979 win at Penn State joins the conversation

WC94 said:

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I was at that Alamo Bowl game. Fun fact: Tom Brady was a freshman 3rd string QB.

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Michigan always has a stacked roster

from that game:

- Charles Woodson
- Amani Toomer
- Mercury Hayes
- Brian Griese
- Biakabutuka
- Jon Runyan
- Jarrett Irons
- Jay Riemersna

txagman1998 said:

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Meh, if it makes you feel better, Michigan cheated to get where they are. In my opinion, anything they accomplish this year is illegitimate, and frankly, they should have been banned from postseason play this year.

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Agree.
And other recent seasons are now questionable as well.
It's a shame that Michigan is in the playoff.

greg.w.h said:

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tk for tu juan said:

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Ag in ATL said:

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tk for tu juan said:

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2015: 10-3
2016: 10-3
2017: 8-5
2018: 10-3
2019: 9-4
2020: 2-4
2021: 12-2
2022: 13-1
2023: TBD

Maybe if Fisher had three 10 win seasons in the first four years he would have more leash to survive 5-7 and 7-5

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Considering his only down year was Covid year and B1G didn't want to play until everyone else did, you're comparing apples to oranges. That same year was Jimbo's only truly acceptable season. The remainder of his tenure consistently reeked of underperformance. The only bright spot being Elko's defenses.

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My post was a counter to the post about the Fisher firing being a knee-jerk reaction. Fisher underperforming overall for what he was brought in to do was the entire point.

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Except he didn't. His recruiting was excellent and his 2020 cfp semi miss was razor thin and frankly was unfair. And that why he was raised and extended. I know it's really easy to forget facts when you're trying to prove an unsubstantiated point..

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Heres a fact we havent won a SEC road game in over 2 years that is enough said, but you want to roll with that thief then so be it. We havent beaten anyone with a pulse at home or on the road. We lost at home to Ap state he had his chance it didnt work.

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it is interesting looking back at the 1995 Alamo Bowl win over Michigan

that was a huge win for the program from a historical standpoint



probably the best or second best non-conference win for A&M against a true blue blood in the past 40 years

the Cotton Bowl win over OU would be the other in consideration

if we go back 50 years...then the 1979 win at Penn State joins the conversation

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It was one of 3 bowl wins for RC but he followed this victory up with losing to USL amongst others. I'm sorry this is not one of the biggest victories in our history if it is that sucks. Two average teams and for once RC wasn't stomped in a bowl game. It was his best coaching in bowl game. The BYU game Lavell edwards did all the motivating for him by running his mouth.

let me go back and refine the list -- forgot a couple

if we go back 30 years...

the best blue blood non-conference wins:

2012 vs. OU
2001 vs. Notre Dame
1995 vs. Michigan
1994 vs. OU

since 1993 the Ags have scored non-conference wins vs. Miami, Clemson, and LSU -- some folks would have those programs on their blue blood list; some would not

going back 40 years...

we pick up the 1987 win vs. Notre Dame

from 1983 to1992...the Ags also beat Auburn, Washington, and LSU in the non-conference. Likewise some would consider those blue bloods; some would not

W said:

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let me go back and refine the list -- forgot a couple

if we go back 30 years...

the best blue blood non-conference wins:

2012 vs. OU
2001 vs. Notre Dame
1995 vs. Michigan
1994 vs. OU

since 1993 the Ags have scored non-conference wins vs. Miami, Clemson, and LSU -- some folks would have those programs on their blue blood list; some would not

going back 40 years...

we pick up the 1987 win vs. Notre Dame

from 1983 to1992...the Ags also beat Auburn, Washington, and LSU in the non-conference. Likewise some would consider those blue bloods; some would not

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The Auburn win came in the Cotton Bowl during Bo Jackson's Heisman season so that should count. You might make a case for the blowout over BYU in the 1990 Holiday Bowl as they also had the Heisman winner (Ty Detmer).

Double Diamond said:

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Michigan unlike A&M didn't knee-jerk and fire Harbaugh. Not all coaches are Saban and it takes time.

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GTFO troll

phatty26 said:

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W said:

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it is interesting looking back at the 1995 Alamo Bowl win over Michigan

that was a huge win for the program from a historical standpoint



probably the best or second best non-conference win for A&M against a true blue blood in the past 40 years

the Cotton Bowl win over OU would be the other in consideration

if we go back 50 years...then the 1979 win at Penn State joins the conversation

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It was one of 3 bowl wins for RC but he followed this victory up with losing to USL amongst others. I'm sorry this is not one of the biggest victories in our history if it is that sucks. Two average teams and for once RC wasn't stomped in a bowl game. It was his best coaching in bowl game. The BYU game Lavell edwards did all the motivating for him by running his mouth.

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I'm going to disagree.

As great as RC Slocum was the big knock on him was that he could rarely win the big bowl game against a great out of state team.

Th 1995 win against Michigan was a rejection of the losses against Notre Dame, UCLA, Florida St...etc.

TX_COWDOC said:

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SpeedyAg93 said:

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TX_COWDOC said:

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Well we did beat them in the '95 Alamo Bowl so there's that.

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I was there. One of the best games I've ever seen. It was a blast!

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Me too!

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I can see us both in this picture!

Something peculiar about that drill….just can't quite put my finger on it…..

Ags would have nothing if not for "next year." It's a tradition.

tk for tu juan said:

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2015: 10-3
2016: 10-3
2017: 8-5
2018: 10-3
2019: 9-4
2020: 2-4
2021: 12-2
2022: 13-1
2023: TBD

Maybe if Fisher had three 10 win seasons in the first four years he would have more leash to survive 5-7 and 7-5

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He didn't have to survive 5-7 or even 7-5. By the fact that they played only 6 games in 2020, they didn't take that season seriously. Hell, they didn't even play Ohio State that year and the Big 10 in general was a huge mess. So that leaves 2017 as no one considers 9 wins (2019) as being terribly problematic. That year (2017) they lost their last 3 to end up with only 8 wins. Essentially, they were (a 12-team) playoff worthy team in mid-November.

We haven't been that with Jimbo since he's been here, except for 2020 -- a year that no one else really even counts. Thus Harbaugh's worst year was not only better than Jimbo's AVERAGE, it was about on par with Jimbo's BEST.

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Double Diamond said:

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tk for tu juan said:

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2015: 10-3
2016: 10-3
2017: 8-5
2018: 10-3
2019: 9-4
2020: 2-4
2021: 12-2
2022: 13-1
2023: TBD

Maybe if Fisher had three 10 win seasons in the first four years he would have more leash to survive 5-7 and 7-5

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Harbaugh was playing a Big 10 schedule with like two hard games vs. SEC schedule.

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Hate to break it to you, but our vaunted SEC schedule isn't all that hard. It's basically LSU and Alabama. If Fisher was still going 7-5 after 6 years, there's nothing to say he'd ever get any better. Firing him was the only choice because he proved himself to be a very average coach.

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most on this board truly believe that the SEC is basically playing an NFL schedule.
It's a loser mentality… when you don't have any success of your own you start reaching for success where there really is none.

tk for tu juan said:

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Yeah but that 1995 Alamo Bowl…

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Our kicker needed new shoes after that game. Wore a hole in them.

TX_COWDOC said:

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Something peculiar about that drill….just can't quite put my finger on it…..

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If you're talking about what I think you're talking about, that was a different game.

In order to be competive and beat teams like Michigan we need to. Greatly improve in basic football tgechiniques like tackling, DB defense, Offensive strategy and deception, Defensive end protection.