So you would not fire the managers that were inept at hiring good sales guys and kept hiring losers?

We've had a culture problem in athletics. Leadership has traditionally accepted mediocrity because the fan base has accepted it. We need to replace our AD after the idiot tried to hire Mark Stoops. The fact the fan base revolted and was able to stop his hiring gives me hope for the future. It was a tiny sign that the culture may be changing.

Failure to send erob off when he accepted the syracuse job shows just what poor judgement the AD has. Don't understand why PTB put up with such gross incompetence.

oh whoa is us we deserve to win. poor us, we don't.

poor poor Aggies.

we are entitled, dammit!

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We became Aggie fans in 2010 when our daughter started at A&M, as the first Texas Aggie in the family. I thought things were going really good under that AD (Bill?), and I couldn't understand why Aggies criticized him so much, and eventually ran him off.

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Because he totally botched football, was opposed to the SEC, and kept us in the B12 longer than we should have been under the preposterous "Beebe Bucks" plan.

He was out of touch by the time he got here, and put all his energy into the wrong places.

(His son would be a fantastic hire, but he's got too good of a gig to come here).

One day it will happen, Aggies! Keep up the fight!

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i think what is the most utterly shocking thing in all
of college sports is that we have not even played for a national title in football, basketball or baseball since 1939. the numbers are mind boggling for a school with our resources. will always love the ags but dammmmnnn that's rough.

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Didn't we play for a baseball championship in 2022?

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No

Really, thr fight is the thing. Does winning it really matter. How does georgia fan feel today. Just losers playing in a exhibition game.

The Aggie tradition, "Just Wait Until Next Year" is alive and well in Aggieland. It's who we are.

Bring back Bill Byrne:

"During Byrne's tenure at A&M, the Aggies won 45 Big 12 Conference Championships in 11 different sports and captured nine team national championships in equestrian, six in outdoor track and field, one in women's basketball, and one in men's golf. The 40 championships won by the Aggies from January 2003 through the end of the 2011 season rank second in the league. The Aggies' 33 conference championships won during the last five seasons combined are the second most of any school. The 2010-11 athletic season was a record setting campaign as A&M captured four national championships, and nine Big 12 Championships. Both marks were school-bests. In the Learfield Director's Cup all-sport rankings, Byrne guided A&M to its six highest finishes in school history, include back-to-back top eight finishes. The Aggies completed the 200910 season ranked 6th in the nation its best finish ever. In 201011, the Aggies tallied their most points ever and finished 8th to lead the Big 12 Conference."

The sips just won the national championship in volleyball yesterday. We have fallen behind them in every sport except possibly baseball. The jury is still out on that. They may win the football title in a couple of weeks. Even men's basketball has fallen out of the rankings after a highly anticipated season. It all starts with a good AD and Bjork isn't the guy.

If Dollar Bill was still here we'd still be hanging out in the B12.

If you honestly look at the recent decisions that have been made, it should be painfully clear what the problem is. There isn't anything wrong with the university, it's the decisions that are made by the people who run it.

Don't lump baseball into your BAS. Baseball is a non-revenue sport. If our other non-revenue sports' championships don't count, then baseball doesn't count either.

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Really?!?!

Bill Byrne is 78, hasn't worked since he was pushed out here, and is responsible for Sherm.

But by all means, because Texas won a women's volleyball championship, let's go back to prioritizing doing what Byrne did.

*huge eyeroll*

I didn't mean it literally. I was just trying to make a point about how far we've fallen since he's left.

It's been hard watching the loosing ways of am sports. It's pitiful.

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Bring back Bill Byrne:

"During Byrne's tenure at A&M, the Aggies won 45 Big 12 Conference Championships in 11 different sports and captured nine team national championships in equestrian, six in outdoor track and field, one in women's basketball, and one in men's golf. The 40 championships won by the Aggies from January 2003 through the end of the 2011 season rank second in the league. The Aggies' 33 conference championships won during the last five seasons combined are the second most of any school. The 2010-11 athletic season was a record setting campaign as A&M captured four national championships, and nine Big 12 Championships. Both marks were school-bests. In the Learfield Director's Cup all-sport rankings, Byrne guided A&M to its six highest finishes in school history, include back-to-back top eight finishes. The Aggies completed the 200910 season ranked 6th in the nation its best finish ever. In 201011, the Aggies tallied their most points ever and finished 8th to lead the Big 12 Conference."

The sips just won the national championship in volleyball yesterday. We have fallen behind them in every sport except possibly baseball. The jury is still out on that. They may win the football title in a couple of weeks. Even men's basketball has fallen out of the rankings after a highly anticipated season. It all starts with a good AD and Bjork isn't the guy.

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If the measuring stick is the Directors' Cup and athletic departments as a whole that's not a realistic standard in which to shoot for the top. There are only a small handful of schools that are in that club and regularly in the top ten. The drop-off from there is severe.

University Cup wins Top Ten Rankings
Stanford 26 29
Texas 2 23
North Carolina 1 24
Florida 29
UCLA 23
Michigan 22
USC 19
Ohio State 15
Penn State 12
Georgia 12
Virginia 9
California 8
Arizona 8

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Don't forget our equestrian team!

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Would you quit horsing around! This is serious.

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It's been hard watching the loosing ways of am sports. It's pitiful.

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"Loose" and "lose" are completely different unrelated words.

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If Dollar Bill was still here we'd still be hanging out in the B12.

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And he would still be calling his detractors on the phone and challenging them to a fistfight behind Sonic. Dude was strange.

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Don't lump baseball into your BAS. Baseball is a non-revenue sport. If our other non-revenue sports' championships don't count, then baseball doesn't count either.

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Agreed. Nationally, college baseball is not relevant. Women's basketball is more in the public eye (don't mean that as a compliment). College softball is college baseball's equal at the least.

Only two sports really matter- Football and Men's College Basketball.

Been an A&M fan for 23 years. We've barely ever been relevant in the national title hunt in either over that time.

-Closest we got was 2020 and couldn't catch a break with a team in front of us losing. The team's never been in a place where like it look we were going to be in the college football playoff even..

-JF's team in '12 was the best in the country, but still freaking lost twice- so no national title shot there.

-A&M basketball - If we had gotten lucky in the tournament - there's several years we could have made the final four. We have not been lucky. Easy to be content on that side of things- A&M isn't known for basketball after all.. But then you see schools like Baylor develop big time men's basketball programs, Taco Tech get to the finals/almost win, etc and still more depressing.


I'm sure I'll get negged for this----

I will just add that for a school with incredible student support - our game day atmosphere is lacking in both sports. We have mastered the dorky vibe (yell leaders running behind goal posts after extra points pointing up at the sky, frequent camera shots of the mainly male CTs looking bored) and not the rowdy crowd/hard to play at atmosphere vibe. It doesn't help (although biggest problem has been incompetent AD leadership of course).

The directors cup is not a great way to rate how an athletic department is doing. Stanford will always be a top 3 schools b/c they play all sports.

Michigan and tu impresses me b/c they typically are top 5 and still do well in revenue sports.

I am not sure if it's delusion vs bad luck vs poor management or what but we by far have the worse return of any major power 5 team.

We have not sniffed playing a title game and yet Baylor has won a basketball title. Tcu was in the title game AND won a semifinal game. Houston is basketball relevant. SMU should have been in a news yr bowl game. Tech had basketball final 4 years.

Not to even mention tu who we make fun of but have been relevant in baseball, basketball, football. In this last 2 decades, they have championship trophies in bb/fb and final 4 basketball runs. It's embarrassing how far we are from their athletic department and only those on hopium thinks otherwise. We are not even close to how they run an athletic department

How are y'all forgetting the women's basketball national title in 2011?

I am sure this is a troll post but spouting a women bb title is just alittle better than tu spouting about volleyball.

Women bb is unwatchable and just a product of DEI

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I am sure this is a troll post but spouting a women bb title is just alittle better than tu spouting about volleyball.

Women bb is unwatchable and just a product of DEI

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But yet someone earlier mentioned equestrian.

The more we continually compare ourselves to tu,
the unhappier we will be.

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dabo man said:

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Don't lump baseball into your BAS. Baseball is a non-revenue sport. If our other non-revenue sports' championships don't count, then baseball doesn't count either.

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Agreed. Nationally, college baseball is not relevant. Women's basketball is more in the public eye (don't mean that as a compliment). College softball is college baseball's equal at the least.

Only two sports really matter- Football and Men's College Basketball.

Been an A&M fan for 23 years. We've barely ever been relevant in the national title hunt in either over that time.

-Closest we got was 2020 and couldn't catch a break with a team in front of us losing. The team's never been in a place where like it look we were going to be in the college football playoff even..

-JF's team in '12 was the best in the country, but still freaking lost twice- so no national title shot there.

-A&M basketball - If we had gotten lucky in the tournament - there's several years we could have made the final four. We have not been lucky. Easy to be content on that side of things- A&M isn't known for basketball after all.. But then you see schools like Baylor develop big time men's basketball programs, Taco Tech get to the finals/almost win, etc and still more depressing.


I'm sure I'll get negged for this----

I will just add that for a school with incredible student support - our game day atmosphere is lacking in both sports. We have mastered the dorky vibe (yell leaders running behind goal posts after extra points pointing up at the sky, frequent camera shots of the mainly male CTs looking bored) and not the rowdy crowd/hard to play at atmosphere vibe. It doesn't help (although biggest problem has been incompetent AD leadership of course).

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I'm not coming at you, I am honestly curious:

What are you wanting in regards to different gameday atmosphere? A&M doesn't control what/who the broadcast shows and the last couple years we've had like B or C team SEC Network crew at a lot of games and they never do a good job. We have one of the largest student sections in the country (football) and if you stand with the students it's more common than not that they're yelling hard and loud for the entire game. What school do you look at as the standard when it comes to that?

As for basketball, we haven't been consistently good for long enough stretches for students to get into it. I went to every game my freshman and sophomore year and it was basically a toss-up if we'd win. The stadium is also out of the way if you live on campus.

I recently went to the MSU game with a friend who went to a Big Ten school and he was raving about how great the atmosphere was. In fact, his comment was, "This it too cool for you guys not to be really good."

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Posting this on the Football board but the pinnacle of Aggie athletics was almost a decade ago if you look at the numbers...

• Recent Men's Championships

• Golf (1): 2009
• Indoor Track and Field (1): 2017
• Outdoor Track & Field (4): 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013

• Recent Women's Championships

• Basketball (1): 2011
• Outdoor Track and Field (4): 2009, 2010, 2011, 2014

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Based on this A&M should fire the entire athletic administration.

Every coach too. A few may be keepers. But go big!

Doing stuff is hard.

And nobody knows this better than TAMU Athletics leadership.

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I am sure this is a troll post but spouting a women bb title is just alittle better than tu spouting about volleyball.

Women bb is unwatchable and just a product of DEI

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DEI has nothing to do with women's basketball. Other than your personal hatred of DEI, there really is no correlation between the two. It's not even clear why you mentioned DEI with that sport.

Women's basketball had 10 million watch the NC game last year between LSU and Iowa. Volleyball is rapidly increasing interest and viewership as well. It will be interesting to see the tv numbers with the volleyball NC being on ABC but also going up against the NFL.

I don't know that you can say college baseball has pulled those type of viewership numbers.

We have had a culture problem in Aggie athletics. The Texas A&M administration has traditionally accepted mediocrity because they only care about filling 100k+ seats at Kyle Field. The Board of Regents approved a 10-year contract for Jimbo Fisher, and the original contract was already too long. After we finished 9-1 (8-1 SEC) and No. 4 with an Orange Bowl win, athletic director Ross Bjork made an even bigger mistake by giving Jimbo Fisher a 4-year contract extension through 2031. Without that contract extension, the buyout would have been $30 million for the last 4 years of the original contract instead of $75 million for the last 8 years of the extended contract.

I am cautiously optimistic that the Texas A&M administration has learned some lessons. I am glad the contract length for Mike Elko is 6 years because we have not had a head coach has last longer than 6 years since the start of the 2003 season. I hope there is no consideration for a contract extension until winning at least one SEC championship and 3 consecutive years of 10+ win seasons.

buncha pretend Aggies on this thread from 'sips understandably embarrassed by their own school.

Aggie athletics is in great shape and getting stronger every year. DEAL with it!

Largest head coach buyout has gotta count for something. #1, baby!