Fisher probably should have attended the annual THSCA conference.

But the way the Sips collaborate with t-shirt sip coaches…
I liked that Fisher just went against their ridiculously rigged system of coach filter and went to talk through private trainers.

There isn't a law against it. It's taboo because they like to send their best to their favorite school.

Hope the new hire for A&M continues to ignore the Sip recruiting system.

Let's Hear It for Self-Righteousness and Its Fifty Select Virtues Resulting in a Sip advantage!

Coaches aren't going to be neutral. That's part of why they coach. They love the game and they fall in love with the school they grew up watching.

I coached for ten years and never ran into anyone who was actually neutral. Don't be fooled by the politicking and clever antics. It's called diplomacy and being diplomatic. It's hypocritical but everyone coaching and in politics does it.

Also the THSCA convention is mostly used as a time for high school coaching staffs to bond over poker and beer, talk X's and O's with their staff, and network with other coaches they know around the state. They go to one to three classes at the conference. It's a good thing we have it. But they show their true colors for judging Fisher for not showing up. No A&M loving coach would say anything.

but as a casual A&M fan, I want Jimbo do to everything he can to promote A&M and recruit best player in Texas...
He needed to attend highschool coach convention and smooch Texas HS coach asses if that was what was needed...

denigrating what seem common sense seems that Jimbo was just full of hubris...

too bad, because I think overall, he was a decent man who just could'nt win enough for us...

Further confirms what I thought about fisher, and lack of balls by bjork. I would simply say "you aren't traveling on Thursday's because it's impacting the staff and players. Don't like it then quit". He should also said "addazio is fired".

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but as a casual A&M fan, I want Jimbo do to everything he can to promote A&M and recruit best player in Texas...
He needed to attend highschool coach convention and smooch Texas HS coach asses if that was what was needed...

denigrating what seem common sense seems that Jimbo was just full of hubris...

too bad, because I think overall, he was a decent man who just could'nt win enough for us...

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We don't disagree. Don't give the recruiting enemy any ammunition when it isn't a necessity.

But as far as going to 7 on 7 and talking through trainers, just ignore that A&M because you're better than their ridiculously founded rhetoric. Sips have always used their hypocritical practitioners of self-righteousness against A&M since the first time A&M played ball against them.

Don't fall for it, A&M. Be bold and don't give up any advantage when they call what is legal to be illegal.

I remember reading about how the Sips complained about A&M beating them under Dana X. Bible. The Sips complained that A&M was dirty for doing things at the line of scrimmage that were perfectly within the rules of the game. Bible coached at A&M from 1917, 1919-1928. Sips kept up their classical rhetoric skills and called Bible and A&M classless.

Then in 1937, the Sips hired Dana X. Bible to be their coach until 1946.

My, my, my…Dana X. Bible was also even the Sip Athletic Director from 1937-1956!

Him not schmoozing with TxHS coaches isn't what got him fired. It had zero to do with it.

Including it was petty and intended to make his firing personal.

He lost too many games. He didn't get it done. He had great players, recruited well, and was able to work around a system rigged against him.

His winning or losing was not dependent on whether he wore a maroon shirt or a white one. But, the White-Shirt Lobby got pissed if he wore a Maroon one and the Maroon Lobby got pissed when he wore White.

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You took all of the wrong things from that...

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His takes on Aggie football are always the worst. I can't believe anyone could read the article and come up with that nonsense.

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You took all of the wrong things from that...

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Well, I could have focused on more just as stupid perspective.

Like... 17-17 against Bama at the 45 with 2:59 in the 3rd Qtr.

If Fisher goes for it and Bama stops, you'd criticize. Jimbo would say "execution" and then you'd get doubly pissed. If the Ags stopped Bama, nobody has an issue.

Classic armchair QB'ing. "You'd" have done it better. You'd have called a better play and you wouldn't have to worry about player execution because your play always works when you call it from home.

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Fisher's in-game decisions remained a source of frustration. Against Alabama, he chose to punt on fourth-and-1 at the Tide's 45-yard line in the third quarter of a 17-17 game.

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Coaches like Campbell, Kiffin and Leach rolled the dice on 4th as a way of coaching. I don't know if the risk has shown itself beneficial...against Bama?! Nobody should be 2nd guessing a questioning a 4th and short near midfield against Bama. You certainly can't base an article on criticizing it.

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Love your baseball posts on the rangers threads and you clearly know baseball. But you may want to stick to baseball if these are your thoughts on 4th and 1s at midfield or in the opponent's territory. That's a mistake to punt and it's not close. It's even more of a mistake when you are the underdog. And that one 4th down decision was one of 7-8 mind numbingly stupid decisions by jimbo on 4th downs in a 3-4 game span this year that likely cost us 1-2 games.

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Him not schmoozing with TxHS coaches isn't what got him fired. It had zero to do with it.

Including it was petty and intended to make his firing personal.

He lost too many games. He didn't get it done. He had great players, recruited well, and was able to work around a system rigged against him.

His winning or losing was not dependent on whether he wore a maroon shirt or a white one. But, the White-Shirt Lobby got pissed if he wore a Maroon one and the Maroon Lobby got pissed when he wore White.

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I really hope you're correct. A&M HC must keep going to 7 on 7. It creates a good buzz, good vibes, and the beginning of beautiful relationships with players and trainers.

"Did you see the Head Coach from A&M?"

Anyway, make the Sips adjust to us until they must do the
same thing and get rid of Coach filter.

If they can't stop the play A&M runs and are obviously losing their influence over recruits, then that's just part of the college game.

All they ever do is this. They use classical rhetoric. And in classical rhetoric it is perfectly acceptable in character assassination (vituperative rhetorical exercise).

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The article reads like an outsider on TexAgs wrote it.

So, from the article, we lost so much on the road because Jimbo wanted to fly out on Thurs instead of Friday? Is that right?!

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the fact that the football ops guy got sacked as well...

means a bunch of people didn't like the Thursday travel...and thought it was a problem

I appreciate the compliment.

Maybe I'm jaded by watching RC too much. I'm still horrified by the late punt against tOSU in the Sugar Bowl and his inability to run the clock out against UCLA in the CB. We can agree to disagree. Plenty of things to judge Jimbo about... like letting the clock run out at half time.

Or having 4th & Goal at the 2 with 2 mins to play in the 4th and kicking the FG instead of the TD when you are down by 9.

As an "almost lifelong" fan of a MLB team that just won the World Series after decades of "just not getting it done," I'm a little emboldened on my views.

Reality is, A&M just needs to get it done. Take him or leave him... Jimbo, Sumlin, Fran, RC... as fans we long for our team to get "over the hump" and that last mile is the hardest.

Mid-season the Rangers' faithful were ready to abandon the coach and leadership. Most often said on the radio and message boards, "The players quit on Bochy." "Bochy is a .500 coach in the season." That isn't a plead for Jimbo... he had 6 years.

I don't care who our new coach is. I'm hoping our new coach can assemble the pieces and win. There is enough talent. We can bring in additional needs. We just need to Win.

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The article reads like an outsider on TexAgs wrote it.

So, from the article, we lost so much on the road because Jimbo wanted to fly out on Thurs instead of Friday? Is that right?!

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the fact that the football ops guy got sacked as well...

means a bunch of people didn't like the Thursday travel...and thought it was a problem

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So, the football ops guy got sacked because Jimbo wanted to travel out on Thursdays 4 times a season?

We fired a coach and paid him $76M because some people who don't actually play football didn't like spending 4 more days on the road than they could have stayed home. And by 4 days, we're really talking about 12 hours.

Do you really think teams don't fly until after 5pm on Friday so students can go to class on Friday?

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DallasAg 94 said:

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The article reads like an outsider on TexAgs wrote it.

So, from the article, we lost so much on the road because Jimbo wanted to fly out on Thurs instead of Friday? Is that right?!

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the fact that the football ops guy got sacked as well...

means a bunch of people didn't like the Thursday travel...and thought it was a problem

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So, the football ops guy got sacked because Jimbo wanted to travel out on Thursdays 4 times a season?

We fired a coach and paid him $76M because some people who don't actually play football didn't like spending 4 more days on the road than they could have stayed home. And by 4 days, we're really talking about 12 hours.

Do you really think teams don't fly until after 5pm on Friday so students can go to class on Friday?

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You guys need to learn to read.

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That included habits like Fisher's desire to travel to road games on Thursday nights, meaning players and staff left campus shortly after practice, and sometimes didn't get to hotels until late in the evening or early mornings. Then they'd wake up on Friday mornings and have meetings and just wait around for the game.

"No one does that," one Power 5 operations director said. "It impacts academics, takes staff away from their families -- and there's nothing to do. You're just asking for players to get in trouble."

A staff member agreed: "You just felt like you were there for so long. That kind of wears on the players."

The results bear that out. The Aggies have lost nine straight road games dating to the 2021 season. They were 0-9 against ranked teams on the road during Fisher's entire tenure. When something wasn't working, it seemed like Fisher was reluctant to change.

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The ops director was not ours, and he wasn't sacked. He was from a P5 program and said traveling on Thursdays isn't really done anywhere else because it is too disruptive and there's no purpose to it. They have a few meetings and then spend all day Friday just waiting for Saturday. It's just a bunch of hurry up and wait, and it's draining on the players and staff.

And it definitely didn't help any considering his road record, so why keep doing it? If you haven't won a road game in two years, you should really look at what you're doing and whether it's helping or hurting, especially when you're the only program doing it. Jimbo was unwilling to do that.


Jimbo got fired because he didn't deliver results and showed an unwillingness to change anything about how he ran the program. The powers that be decided he was going nowhere fast and wasn't going to turn around or find a map. That's the big thing that you keep missing. His way was obviously not working out the last 3 years, and he took an attitude that he was untouchable because of the contract and he would continue with his way no matter what. He fired himself, really.

Completely unforeseeable that a coach with a guaranteed $70 million dollar contract might not work as hard.

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Coaches like Campbell, Kiffin and Leach rolled the dice on 4th as a way of coaching. I don't know if the risk has shown itself beneficial...against Bama?! Nobody should be 2nd guessing a questioning a 4th and short near midfield against Bama. You certainly can't base an article on criticizing it.

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Even if it was a 50/50 decision, the morale benefit would tip the scales in favor of going for it. It shows confidence in your team.

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I appreciate the compliment.

Maybe I'm jaded by watching RC too much. I'm still horrified by the late punt against tOSU in the Sugar Bowl and his inability to run the clock out against UCLA in the CB. We can agree to disagree. Plenty of things to judge Jimbo about... like letting the clock run out at half time.

Or having 4th & Goal at the 2 with 2 mins to play in the 4th and kicking the FG instead of the TD when you are down by 9.

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And even worse, calling a timeout before deciding to kick that field goal.

Biggest takeaway from this article is that Texas high school coaches are entitled, gatekeeping prima donnas. I always wondered why Texas kids so often leave the state. It seems their coaches are to blame.

You can criticize many things about Jimbo, but recruiting is not one of them. There was not a single thing wrong with his approach to recruiting aside from maybe signing too many DLs. Anyone who disagrees is plain ignorant.

Wholeheartedly agree

How are we at the bottom of page 2 and nobody has discussed how addazio and team captains went to jimbo to get Bryce Foster demoted and Jimbo decided to keep trotting Foster's horriblee ass out there each and every week?

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How are we at the bottom of page 2 and nobody has discussed how addazio and team captains went to jimbo to get Bryce Foster demoted and Jimbo decided to keep trotting Foster's horriblee ass out there each and every week?

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Why wouldn't the OL coach demote Foster himself? Not sure I'm buying this…

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DallasAg 94 said:

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DallasAg 94 said:

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The article reads like an outsider on TexAgs wrote it.

So, from the article, we lost so much on the road because Jimbo wanted to fly out on Thurs instead of Friday? Is that right?!

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the fact that the football ops guy got sacked as well...

means a bunch of people didn't like the Thursday travel...and thought it was a problem

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So, the football ops guy got sacked because Jimbo wanted to travel out on Thursdays 4 times a season?

We fired a coach and paid him $76M because some people who don't actually play football didn't like spending 4 more days on the road than they could have stayed home. And by 4 days, we're really talking about 12 hours.

Do you really think teams don't fly until after 5pm on Friday so students can go to class on Friday?

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You guys need to learn to read.

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That included habits like Fisher's desire to travel to road games on Thursday nights, meaning players and staff left campus shortly after practice, and sometimes didn't get to hotels until late in the evening or early mornings. Then they'd wake up on Friday mornings and have meetings and just wait around for the game.

"No one does that," one Power 5 operations director said. "It impacts academics, takes staff away from their families -- and there's nothing to do. You're just asking for players to get in trouble."

A staff member agreed: "You just felt like you were there for so long. That kind of wears on the players."

The results bear that out. The Aggies have lost nine straight road games dating to the 2021 season. They were 0-9 against ranked teams on the road during Fisher's entire tenure. When something wasn't working, it seemed like Fisher was reluctant to change.

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The ops director was not ours, and he wasn't sacked. He was from a P5 program and said traveling on Thursdays isn't really done anywhere else because it is too disruptive and there's no purpose to it. They have a few meetings and then spend all day Friday just waiting for Saturday. It's just a bunch of hurry up and wait, and it's draining on the players and staff.

And it definitely didn't help any considering his road record, so why keep doing it? If you haven't won a road game in two years, you should really look at what you're doing and whether it's helping or hurting, especially when you're the only program doing it. Jimbo was unwilling to do that.


Jimbo got fired because he didn't deliver results and showed an unwillingness to change anything about how he ran the program. The powers that be decided he was going nowhere fast and wasn't going to turn around or find a map. That's the big thing that you keep missing. His way was obviously not working out the last 3 years, and he took an attitude that he was untouchable because of the contract and he would continue with his way no matter what. He fired himself, really.

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The classic "give a man enough rope, he'll hang himself"….
This is all on Dumbo…..

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So, Jimbo had 2020 season and saw how A&M wasn't in CFP, 2021 finally beat Saban then said flock it, I'm good, let's burn it down?

Is this the Zoo's take this afternoon?

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That's ONE dumb take on this thread.

If you didn't know the organization or players you would call this a case of little man syndrome.

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DallasAg 94 said:

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I appreciate the compliment.

Maybe I'm jaded by watching RC too much. I'm still horrified by the late punt against tOSU in the Sugar Bowl and his inability to run the clock out against UCLA in the CB. We can agree to disagree. Plenty of things to judge Jimbo about... like letting the clock run out at half time.

Or having 4th & Goal at the 2 with 2 mins to play in the 4th and kicking the FG instead of the TD when you are down by 9.

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That FG wasn't actually an atrocious call. It was calling a f'ing TO beforehand that was blindingly dumb. Of all the idiotic TO mgmt by Jimbo, over six years, that one took the cake.

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Didn't he waste time before the TO as well?

His clock management was the worst I've ever seen, and I remember the Tech game when RC let the clock run out while Tech had the ball, keeping his 3 TO's "for the offense"....

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How are we at the bottom of page 2 and nobody has discussed how addazio and team captains went to jimbo to get Bryce Foster demoted and Jimbo decided to keep trotting Foster's horriblee ass out there each and every week?

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I missed that in the article linked in the OP?