Jimbo's hotseat fueled by West Tx oil

I don't read the Wash Post, but this popped up on a couple general sites (yes, this one came from MSN, which made it free read). Anyone know who Steven Godfrey is (who references Brent Z quite a bit), but acts a bit like he's an Ag reporter (no, I didn't google as it's not my friend)?

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But, all that said and with every indicator both published among my colleagues and in my own off-the-record conversations suggesting Fisher is safe entering 2024, I still refuse to believe there's zero chance he is let go.

First, keeping Fisher would require a tremendous amount of calmness and maturity for a consortium that's defined the exact opposite in the college football economy for decades. A&M is the world's richest little brother, boasting national title finances to hide a community college trophy case. This was the football program once most famous for buying a gold Pontiac Trans-Am for a player who ultimately never signed with the program.

Second, we often focus too much on the demand side of the coaching market instead of the supply side. The working idea right now is less that A&M doesn't have a replacement in hand and more that it doesn't have one ideal enough to eat that $77 million bill first. But supply can change quickly, and in the age of the transfer portal exodus, often very quietly.

Third, crude production can never exceed the college football value of time or its paucity of patience. If A&M holds on to Fisher and weathers another fine-but-not-great season with no playoff appearance in 2024, it would still owe him $67.5 million if he is fired next year, saving the boosters a relatively scant $10-ish million. If I'm looking at the futures market, A&M's pride is worth more than $10 million for another season of championship ignominy.

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Ah, thanks for that insight...I don't listen to much sports talk radio of anyone who is just another editorial opinion. Same goes for reporters

It came out a few days ago, that more than a handful of assistant coaches have already been extended or have new contracts, so the writing is on the wall that Jimbo and staff are coming back for at least 1 more yr. It seems the "deciders" are always slow to pull the trigger. Looking back at the last few HC we have had all of them were here a yr or 2 longer than they should have been.

just my two cents but i don't think the money is the issue i think the issue is the viable candidate you replace him with. if we fire jimbo that is admitting defeat on our biggest hire in the last 40 years it is us admitting we were wrong and that even a national championship coach can't win big at texas a&m. if your going to admit that it better be followed up with. but look at the new guy we hired. it's about perception and right now i don't see a guy who is that big time replacement.

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A&M is the world's richest little brother, boasting national title finances to hide a community college trophy case.

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Godfrey is promoting a media revenue and has only speculative thinking no reporting in his piece. But if it confirms your biases it is worth reading..:

Having a potential viable candidate is important but that is simple. Just hire him away from another program.

In regard to the money it is 10 million not 70 or 60. We are going to pay the 60 million no matter what so I agree with the writer if you think about waiting a year to fire Jimbo and save some money that is a stupid 10 million decision. We are screwed no matter what so take your medicine and move on.

It's more than that. Do math not meth.

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It came out a few days ago, that more than a handful of assistant coaches have already been extended or have new contracts, so the writing is on the wall that Jimbo and staff are coming back for at least 1 more yr. It seems the "deciders" are always slow to pull the trigger. Looking back at the last few HC we have had all of them were here a yr or 2 longer than they should have been.

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This is the answer. We have to wait until the cupboard's bare and we're losing to tu to make a change. Our leadership gets the football program they deserve.

Tea leaves say that they'll stay with fisher another year. I don't buy the supply issue as im sure Ags could money whip anyone. I'd also not see alot of assistant coaching changes unless they choose to leave. In which case it'll be worse to get someone to jump onto a sinking ship.

Obnoxious is a terrific word to describe that article. Unnecessary shot at our "trophy case". Its not anywhere near where we would like it to be but in-line with ~80% of college football.

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First, keeping Fisher would require a tremendous amount of calmness and maturity for a consortium that's defined the exact opposite in the college football economy for decades.

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He's actually, just completely factually wrong on this part. What he's describing is the opposite of our history. He's claiming we knee-jerk coaches out too soon before giving them enough time to right the ship. No. That's not us at all. We've had a long history of holding on to administrations for several years after it's clear things are going south and never coming back.

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Tea leaves say that they'll stay with fisher another year. I don't buy the supply issue as im sure Ags could money whip anyone. I'd also not see alot of assistant coaching changes unless they choose to leave. In which case it'll be worse to get someone to jump onto a sinking ship.

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Ags do not have a billion dollars (or whatever it would take) to "money'whip" Saban into coming here. We've got as big a pocketbook as any top-10 school, but funds are still not unlimited, or exponentially greater than the other top-10.

I'm not sure Saban has it in him to build a program up again. If he leaves Bama, he's likely either retiring or dead.

The choices aren't just about the $10M. There are two paths.

Keep Jimbo - let the 2022 class mature, keep the core together and make a run next year with a very favorable schedule and a talented upperclass heavy team.

Fire Jimbo and start a rebuild next year with many of those players likely gone.

If you care about 2024 you keep Jimbo one more year. If you think he's the wrong guy and you want a head start on 2025 then you make the move now. There is no indication the team isn't behind him.

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The choices aren't just about the $10M. There are two paths.

Keep Jimbo - let the 2022 class mature, keep the core together and make a run next year with a very favorable schedule and a talented upperclass heavy team.

Fire Jimbo and start a rebuild next year with many of those players likely gone.

If you care about 2024 you keep Jimbo one more year. If you think he's the wrong guy and you want a head start on 2025 then you make the move now. There is no indication the team isn't behind him.

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If you care about 25, 26,27, 28 you fire Jimbo

I love it when sports journalists write that A&M would ONLY save $10M by retaining the coach like that's no big deal.

"A&M is the world's richest little brother"

Uh, we were first and we're bigger. Just sayin'!

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A&M is the world's richest little brother, boasting national title finances to hide a community college trophy case.

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That's a ridiculous statement. There's only like 15 schools that have won a national title in the last 50 years. Don't buy that bull****

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MA&M is the world's richest little brother, boasting national title finances to hide a community college trophy case.

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That's a ridiculous statement. There's only like 15 schools that have won a national title in the last 50 years. Don't buy that bull****

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Perhaps
But it's inexcusable that A&M is not one of those schools in the last 50 years to have won a national championship.
With everything we have….

……..and losing to Mississippi schools and losing conference road games.

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The choices aren't just about the $10M. There are two paths.

Keep Jimbo - let the 2022 class mature, keep the core together and make a run next year with a very favorable schedule and a talented upperclass heavy team.

Fire Jimbo and start a rebuild next year with many of those players likely gone.

If you care about 2024 you keep Jimbo one more year. If you think he's the wrong guy and you want a head start on 2025 then you make the move now. There is no indication the team isn't behind him.

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If you care about 25, 26,27, 28 you fire Jimbo

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Prior to NIL and college football free agency this was true but now if you hire the right coach and provide him adequate NIL dollars he can turn a program into a championship contender in a couple of years.

If A&M has a replacement they really like and is attainable Jimbo is done barring an unexpected win at LSU. If he wins that, they'll make him hire a new OLC and give him 24.

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A&M is the world's richest little brother, boasting national title finances to hide a community college trophy case.

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There's gonna be some tree killing individuals of the brown variety who laugh at your post all the way to Tea Town to take a tree off their campus.

Take that garbage out of here. We're bigger, we were first.

This is fascinating. Since donors willingness to pay a buyout is correlated with the price of oil, a coach in Jimbo's position (from the perspective of wanting to keep his job and not mail it in and cash in a buyout) is effectively short energy commodities. Now if his objective is to mail it in and get fired (cashing in his buyout), he is actually synthetically LONG energy commodities! In which case who is short energy? Us I guess. (Not "us" literally, as I'm a sock puppet or whatever)

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The choices aren't just about the $10M. There are two paths.

Keep Jimbo - let the 2022 class mature, keep the core together and make a run next year with a very favorable schedule and a talented upperclass heavy team.

Fire Jimbo and start a rebuild next year with many of those players likely gone.

If you care about 2024 you keep Jimbo one more year. If you think he's the wrong guy and you want a head start on 2025 then you make the move now. There is no indication the team isn't behind him.

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LOL. Wayyy more likely that our best guys transfer if we keep Jimbo, plus it destroys the 2025 class of next year. Nearly nobody good from HS wants to join a hot-seat-coach, same for portal players, and the best upperclassmen leave to get coached & win.

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fightintxaggie10 said:

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AggieDub04 said:

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The choices aren't just about the $10M. There are two paths.

Keep Jimbo - let the 2022 class mature, keep the core together and make a run next year with a very favorable schedule and a talented upperclass heavy team.

Fire Jimbo and start a rebuild next year with many of those players likely gone.

If you care about 2024 you keep Jimbo one more year. If you think he's the wrong guy and you want a head start on 2025 then you make the move now. There is no indication the team isn't behind him.

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If you care about 25, 26,27, 28 you fire Jimbo

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Prior to NIL and college football free agency this was true but now if you hire the right coach and provide him adequate NIL dollars he can turn a program into a championship contender in a couple of years.

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So we save $10m by keeping Jimbo, but entirely lose the 2025 class…and fall further behind Sips in wins & recruiting momentum.. And we let Jimbo waste all these current kids' careers while at very best producing a 9-3 season next year if he's lucky. And then sunshine-losers will say to keep him, and we lose out on the 2026 recruiting class as Sips dominate recruiting after 2 consecutive successful seasons (partly due to weak schedules). And we still got Jimbo as the hot-seat-coach. Lol

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If A&M holds on to Fisher and weathers another fine-but-not-great season with no playoff appearance in 2024, it would still owe him $67.5 million

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I've been trying to make this point all year, but too many are sticking their fingers in their ears. His buyout isn't going down rapidly anytime soon. We're going to owe it to him whether we keep him or not. The only question is, do we find someone else and pay them to take over. THAT is the cost (along with whatever loss we incur if we were keeping Jimbo), not the payout itself.

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It came out a few days ago, that more than a handful of assistant coaches have already been extended or have new contracts, so the writing is on the wall that Jimbo and staff are coming back for at least 1 more yr. It seems the "deciders" are always slow to pull the trigger. Looking back at the last few HC we have had all of them were here a yr or 2 longer than they should have been.

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I actually do think Jimbo could win 10 games next year. The problem is all those upper class men leave after that and we are right back to his 6-6 or 7-5 garbage.

We don't save $10mm by keeping Jimbo. That money is gone, whether he is here or not. What we save by keeping him is what we would have paid to the next coach (and his staff). That is the incremental cost to firing Jimbo.

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Jimbo's hotseat fueled by West Tx oil

I don't read the Wash Post, but this popped up on a couple general sites (yes, this one came from MSN, which made it free read). Anyone know who Steven Godfrey is (who references Brent Z quite a bit), but acts a bit like he's an Ag reporter (no, I didn't google as it's not my friend)?

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But, all that said and with every indicator both published among my colleagues and in my own off-the-record conversations suggesting Fisher is safe entering 2024, I still refuse to believe there's zero chance he is let go.

First, keeping Fisher would require a tremendous amount of calmness and maturity for a consortium that's defined the exact opposite in the college football economy for decades. A&M is the world's richest little brother, boasting national title finances to hide a community college trophy case. This was the football program once most famous for buying a gold Pontiac Trans-Am for a player who ultimately never signed with the program.

Second, we often focus too much on the demand side of the coaching market instead of the supply side. The working idea right now is less that A&M doesn't have a replacement in hand and more that it doesn't have one ideal enough to eat that $77 million bill first. But supply can change quickly, and in the age of the transfer portal exodus, often very quietly.

Third, crude production can never exceed the college football value of time or its paucity of patience. If A&M holds on to Fisher and weathers another fine-but-not-great season with no playoff appearance in 2024, it would still owe him $67.5 million if he is fired next year, saving the boosters a relatively scant $10-ish million. If I'm looking at the futures market, A&M's pride is worth more than $10 million for another season of championship ignominy.

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Feel like using puacity and ignominy in a generic article about college football is a bit overkill.