one safe place said:

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Find a great high school coach. If not, maybe a player's dad could give it a go.

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maybe take turns on volunteer basis?

mncag said:

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one safe place said:

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Find a great high school coach. If not, maybe a player's dad could give it a go.

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maybe take turns on volunteer basis?

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And move to Division 3 to further reduce costs???

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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rootube said:

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LOL. We struck out with a big name splash hire with a natty to his name so we should go out and hire an unproven assistant. I'm sure this is a foolproof plan and there is no chance this will fail.

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Well, sumlin had a big name too, and look how that panned out. Dabo was a WR coach when he took over Clemson. Seemed to work out pretty well. Ed Orgeron was a coordinator who couldn't speak English. He won a natty.

How big the name is and how much of a splash they'll make should have 0 bearing on the hire. It should be about cultural fit and whether they have the right personality and vision for the program, just like any executive hire.

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Culture fit is horsesh**. Saban was a Midwest guy coaching in the B10 and left to become the best coach in SEC history.

My point is not that you need a splash hire. My point is that nobody has a clue. If they did teams would not routinely churn through several coaches before finding the right guy. The only sure fire coaches at the moment are Saban and Smart. The rest are just a bad season from an exit.

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WTF are you talking about? Saban is from West Virginia, not the Midwest. He just went to Kent State to play football and got hired as a GA. That's the only reason he ended up coaching in the Midwest. He didn't spend much time in the B10. He was a position coach at OSU for two years and a coordinator at Michigan State for a few before his HC gig at Michigan State, but the majority of his career before LSU was outside the B10.

Cultural fit is absolutely important. You think a guy who pisses off big donors or can't get along with the AD is going to have long term success? Even if he's winning, do you think he's going to stay? It's not the end all be all because a lot of people can fit in at a lot of different places, but it is certainly an undeniable factor.

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bulverdeaggie93 said:

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the longest Jimbo will make it would be through the Texas game in '24…. once he's gone, don't chase a big name coach. We tried it with Sumlin and Jimbo, kinda worked but then big picture neither did. We aren't a big picture program at this point… Go do what Oregon did, get an OC or DC from a winning program.

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But wasn't Jimbo once an OC at a winning program that so happens to have HC experience and winning a National Title?

There's also winning OC's and DC's that became HC's and didn't do **** all over the place.

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Jimbo's major issue is the very best OC's & DC's personally do not want to work for him. In these last 2 offseasons, they all rejected his offer to come work here. And he is an offensive guy who won't give up control/scheme.

Plus he cannot manage a roster, which is how we suck so bad at multiple position-groups every year. It was kind of obvious at FSU in his later years, but he has the portal & NIL here and he still somehow sucks at managing a roster.

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I'll have to disagree with a couple of things here.

1) We are very attractive for a DC for starters. Durkin was highly thought of and a good pull. Elko was, too. In general, all of Fisher's DCs have been good to great coaches and he's played very good defense over his 14 year career.

2) Whether you believe it or not, we likely could have had Longo and a couple other younger, more modern OCs as well.

But Jimbo's bigger issue, much more than being able to attract an OC, is that he's married to an outdated scheme and hired a coach that runs the same thing. Sure, we couldn't get Riley, but few could and you rarely ever get your absolute top choice at OC. But Petrino was always high on Fisher's list. He runs the same offense, with slightly different variations and has been slightly more efficient over the last decade. But not by much.

Yes, again whether you believe it or not, Petrino has a ton of control, and this is his offense. An offense dispalying many of the characteristics people had seen from him that were similar to the same issues that Jimbo has over the last decade, too.

3) Yes, I will agree with the last part. Especially on the OL. His OL roster management has not been good. That is the single biggest thing holding back a scheme that is already harder to execute than average. The OL recruiting from 2018-2020 was really poor, and this system makes many OL look worse than they are creating a terrible combination.

He also was late in adapting to the portal, just like he's late in adapting to updating his offense.

ABATTBQ11 said:

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Somewhat agree. He was unproven, but he was also certainly a big name and a lot of people thought he was the next big college coach. Hiring him was stupid because it was done because he was a splash hire, not because he was a good cultural fit or because he had a solid vision and plan for the program. He wasn't, and he didn't.

Extending him was absolutely idiotic.

Whoever is funding and influencing the hires seems like they treat the program as a hobby instead of a business.

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In general, I don't think Sumlin was considered the next big thing. At least not any more than people ride on coaches and/or coordinators for one good season.

Sumlin was 5-7 the year before and no one was talking about him in August of 2011. At best, he was a one-year wonder and the hot name for like a month.

Maybe the next HC will be Deion Sanders.

beerad12man said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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Somewhat agree. He was unproven, but he was also certainly a big name and a lot of people thought he was the next big college coach. Hiring him was stupid because it was done because he was a splash hire, not because he was a good cultural fit or because he had a solid vision and plan for the program. He wasn't, and he didn't.

Extending him was absolutely idiotic.

Whoever is funding and influencing the hires seems like they treat the program as a hobby instead of a business.

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In general, I don't think Sumlin was considered the next big thing. At least not any more than people ride on coaches and/or coordinators for one good season.

Sumlin was 5-7 the year before and no one was talking about him in August of 2011. At best, he was a one-year wonder and the hot name for like a month.

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He was also 10-4 in 2009 in his second year as a HC. People were absolutely talking about him because the reason he went 5-7 was Case Keenum getting hurt and he was coming back healthy in 2011. Houston was 36 in the preseason AP poll and ESPN had them around 30 in their preseason power rankings. Their 12-0 season didn't just come out of the blue. He wasn't hired on one good season, he was hired on being a very young HC who had two 10 win seasons and could easily justify going 5-7 with losing his star QB.