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Jimbo and Addazio need to go, but we have a culture problem that pervades the university and athletic program.
We ask ourselves "why why why are we so unlucky".

We have almost everything needed to succeed in football. Resources. Program in a recruiting hotbed. NIL sponsorship. SEC TV contracts. The only Texas program in the SEC (going away). The best facilities. National championship winning coaches. Unmatched donor support for the football program.
We have everything except a winning culture.

We lose the big games. Over and over and over.

Aggies are loyal. Friendly. We're nice. We lose a game and say "we'll get em next year" and next year's win never comes, because there's a pair of bad losses for every good win we do manage. We suck at holding the athletics program accountable.

We want to win so badly, we pack the stadiums and boost the TV ratings. We're a profitable, mediocre football program. We throw more money at the problem that never gets fixed. Outside of JFF 2012 season and 1998 conf champion season, we field an undisciplined, inconsistent on field product every single year.

We set new records for coaching contracts. We yell proudly that surely, this next coach will bring us to the promised land. And it never does. We have all the talent in the world and can't pull it together. We consistently play not to lose and rarely ever play to win.

Coaching is a problem, sure. But we have a deep-seated culture problem and no one can tell me we don't after our horrendous results year after year after year.

Wanna know what program's fans don't sell out the house when their on field product sucks?
Michigan. Remember Brady hoke? How's the program doing now?
Texas. Remember Chollie? Mensa? How's the program doing now?

Can go on and on. And change happens in these programs, usually fast.

Where's the killer instinct? Where's the grit? When's the last time we've had a season we haven't lost a game we should have won handily?

Johnny was great for us. Not only was the most electric QB to ever play college football, he was also the antithesis of our culture.

Bama scores a TD? "**** that. **** Nick Saban. We're scoring right ****ing now on this drive". Where was that confidence and moxy from the team today? Our fans sure as hell don't have it, either.

I'm tired of us being "nice" and saying "wait til next year" every single year as we continue to prop up an undisciplined, volatile football program with unwavering support.

At some point, when we consistently lose over and over and never know what kind of team is going to show up on any Saturday after bringing in proven coach after proven coach, it's not just the coaching at fault.
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I've been saying this for a while. We have a systemic culture of losing.

Our athletes have the best of everything, and they are entitled. No one comes here to win. We don't demand it, nor do we expect it. It's a country club.
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In reply to Fins Up! • 6:18p, 10/14/23
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100%!
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Yup, that's the issue. A&M fans continue to support mediocrity. And when other A&M fans wanting more say they're not going to support the losing HC until he gets replaced, they get shamed by others for being a """""2 pErCeNtEr""""".

You're absolutely right. There is no curse. It's just crab mentality, a perfect mentality for underachievers and losers.
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The culture notion is a good one to evaluate this thing. Aggies loving their school, alumni support, money and great players does not build a winning football team. The intensity of what we want is not matched by the culture of a coach with no worries about security and players who play hard for a future NFL career. Being an Aggie is not in their playbook.
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In reply to Fins Up! • 6:23p, 10/14/23
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It ain't just football though we focus most of our attention on it. We have a losing athletic program.
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6:24p, 10/14/23
Everyone who posts a thread where they say we have to support the team because they are Aggies is part of the problem. We need to make them earn it.
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In reply to Furlock Bones • 6:38p, 10/14/23
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Furlock Bones said:
It ain't just football though we focus most of our attention on it. We have a losing athletic program.


The culture is department wide.

As a business leader, you learn to spot bad culture. And our athletic programs have a bad culture. It's obvious.
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I don't know what you're talking about OP.

I've never seen 'em lose.
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6:42p, 10/14/23
Duke didn't have a winning culture either




Hire an actual coach & not a dumb**** that steals possessions from his own offense
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In reply to Ghost of Bisbee • 6:43p, 10/14/23
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Jimbo and Addazio need to go, but we have a culture problem that pervades the university and athletic program.
We ask ourselves "why why why are we so unlucky".

We have almost everything needed to succeed in football. Resources. Program in a recruiting hotbed. NIL sponsorship. SEC TV contracts. The only Texas program in the SEC (going away). The best facilities. National championship winning coaches. Unmatched donor support for the football program.
We have everything except a winning culture.

We lose the big games. Over and over and over.

Aggies are loyal. Friendly. We're nice. We lose a game and say "we'll get em next year" and next year's win never comes, because there's a pair of bad losses for every good win we do manage. We suck at holding the athletics program accountable.

We want to win so badly, we pack the stadiums and boost the TV ratings. We're a profitable, mediocre football program. We throw more money at the problem that never gets fixed. Outside of JFF 2012 season and 1998 conf champion season, we field an undisciplined, inconsistent on field product every single year.

We set new records for coaching contracts. We yell proudly that surely, this next coach will bring us to the promised land. And it never does. We have all the talent in the world and can't pull it together. We consistently play not to lose and rarely ever play to win.

Coaching is a problem, sure. But we have a deep-seated culture problem and no one can tell me we don't after our horrendous results year after year after year.

Wanna know what program's fans don't sell out the house when their on field product sucks?
Michigan. Remember Brady hoke? How's the program doing now?
Texas. Remember Chollie? Mensa? How's the program doing now?

Can go on and on. And change happens in these programs, usually fast.

Where's the killer instinct? Where's the grit? When's the last time we've had a season we haven't lost a game we should have won handily?

Johnny was great for us. Not only was the most electric QB to ever play college football, he was also the antithesis of our culture.

Bama scores a TD? "**** that. **** Nick Saban. We're scoring right ****ing now on this drive". Where was that confidence and moxy from the team today? Our fans sure as hell don't have it, either.

I'm tired of us being "nice" and saying "wait til next year" every single year as we continue to prop up an undisciplined, volatile football program with unwavering support.

At some point, when we consistently lose over and over and never know what kind of team is going to show up on any Saturday after bringing in proven coach after proven coach, it's not just the coaching at fault.


This is honest & really articulates the situation well. 100% agree.
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I am a humble earning Ag but enough of the BS. Where do we send our 100$ or whatever we can afford to buyout. Admin needs to start a go fund me and get donors for the delta if it's about money. Grassroots it.

We have crossed that level of stupidity. I'll go without a new pair of running shoes. It's 600$ from each fan that attends games for a straight buyout. Money should not be an issue.
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Jimbo recruits preaching family and academics. An oline recruit goes into OU locker room and is told he has a lot of work to do if he wants to continue the legacy left by all the stars that played there in the past. He looks at the pictures on the wall and the culture is already setting in. Absolutely no culture in A&M locker room. No senior leadership on the field. A bunch of nobody's.
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In reply to fieldtrailer • 7:28p, 10/14/23
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We pay kids and coaches to show up. That's about it
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In reply to Ghost of Bisbee • 7:31p, 10/14/23
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Agree with all of that. Just remember, while accurate, your points are not remotely original. This has been said here on Texags for 20+ years. Keep saying it though. Maybe, just maybe, people will finally listen.
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7:54p, 10/14/23
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How can you have a winning culture when we've never won consistently?
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Question regarding our culture of losing - what's required to flip the loser attitude and install a better mind set? Seriously, what changes are required?
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In reply to Finn • 7:59p, 10/14/23
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I am a humble earning Ag but enough of the BS. Where do we send our 100$ or whatever we can afford to buyout. Admin needs to start a go fund me and get donors for the delta if it's about money. Grassroots it.

We have crossed that level of stupidity. I'll go without a new pair of running shoes. It's 600$ from each fan that attends games for a straight buyout. Money should not be an issue.
Amen. Give me a legitimate link by reputable donor.
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In reply to PyriteAg • 8:00p, 10/14/23
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Yup, that's the issue. A&M fans continue to support mediocrity. And when other A&M fans wanting more say they're not going to support the losing HC until he gets replaced, they get shamed by others for being a """""2 pErCeNtEr""""".

You're absolutely right. There is no curse. It's just crab mentality, a perfect mentality for underachievers and losers.
Lmao I'm sure the people who called you a 2%er on TexAgs are not the reason A&M "loses".
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In reply to terata • 8:07p, 10/14/23
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We need to get rid of the inferiority complex. We have false confidence. Napoleon complex. How do you build real confidence? Starting list…

1. Run a disciplined program and play to win. How do you run a disciplined program? Go read the article on Elko from The Athletic published earlier this week.
2. Tie coaching and athletics compensation more closely to performance instead of guaranteed pay
3. Trim the fat in the coaching staff. Get non-performers out of there. That means Addazio.
4. Stop full dependence on money to solve the athletic program's problems
5. John Sharp/BoR need to meddle less with athletics, full stop. Empower the AD with more responsibility instead of keeping them handcuffed
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Spot on. I had a long response typed out but I'm tired of this crap. Too much emotional damage and angst.
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8:23p, 10/14/23
C'mon we routinely win halftime

Definitely we like being nice hosts I want a dam title in a men's sport.
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In reply to Fins Up! • 8:27p, 10/14/23
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I've been saying this for a while. We have a systemic culture of losing.

Our athletes have the best of everything, and they are entitled. No one comes here to win. We don't demand it, nor do we expect it. It's a country club.


Exactly. Think of the various "Aggie phrases" that have always been used:

- "we didn't lose, we just ran out of time." [I'm glad you are trying to make yourself feel better for having lost, but it might be better if you just accepted that you lost and then work to get better.]

- "we have never lost a halftime" [great… I agree the FTAB is phenomenal, but that has nothing to do with the wins and losses of the football team. Quit trying to make yourself feel better for having lost… instead, accept that you did and work to get better.]

- "we are THE BEST 9-3 team out there!" Wow… I'm really not sure what to say to that one other than I guess everyone deserves a participation trophy.

There is a culture of losing that has existed since the early years. When you constantly make excuses for failing to perform, that means you no longer are expecting to achieve.
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How can we get Elon Musk to become an Aggie fan?

He can do any buyout in about 3 seconds.
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The playing to win speaks to me. It was seen at the end of then1st half in both of these last 2 games.

We are ok going into half with a lead, when with Bama, you had them confused on defense. And even if you have a TO, your defense was stopping them and the momentum was on that side of things. Then, today, we piss away a chance to get the ball with about 1:40 to go…instead, we let the clock run down and then take a knee into the half.

Those kids have to sense the "ho hum. It's the "right" way to do it". Which, maybe, it is if you're an NFL team with that kind of talent. We've shown nothing that tells me we can make adjustments and maintain that lead…we need that killer type instinct in our players, but it starts at the top.
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Yes we pay above market value for a new coach.
But have you noticed how worthless our coaches become after we give them a raise and extension? Fran, Sumlin, and Jimbo. And then we fire them after a couple of years and start over.
We would have been better off if we had let Fran, Sumlin, and Jimbo leave .

We need 5 star boosters. Players can't fix this culture.
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Yep, boosters that can trust the AD and not overextend their hand
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We r not losing because we have a classy fan base
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In reply to PanzerAggie06 • 10:01p, 10/14/23
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Agree with all of that. Just remember, while accurate, your points are not remotely original. This has been said here on Texags for 20+ years. Keep saying it though. Maybe, just maybe, people will finally listen.


If there is one positive to this NIL/Transfer portal paradigm shift it is that athletic depts can use it to to start treating the money programs like the pros do. Some schools will take advantage of it and change their culture, and others will keep operating the same way.
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We r not losing because we have a classy fan base


Our classy fanbase doesn't hold the program accountable. At all.
Excuses.
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In reply to Dr. Mephisto • 10:04p, 10/14/23
Convince his kid that he is a he.
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In reply to Ghost of Bisbee • 10:48p, 10/14/23
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Jimbo and Addazio need to go, but we have a culture problem that pervades the university and athletic program.
We ask ourselves "why why why are we so unlucky".

We have almost everything needed to succeed in football. Resources. Program in a recruiting hotbed. NIL sponsorship. SEC TV contracts. The only Texas program in the SEC (going away). The best facilities. National championship winning coaches. Unmatched donor support for the football program.
We have everything except a winning culture.

We lose the big games. Over and over and over.

Aggies are loyal. Friendly. We're nice. We lose a game and say "we'll get em next year" and next year's win never comes, because there's a pair of bad losses for every good win we do manage. We suck at holding the athletics program accountable.

We want to win so badly, we pack the stadiums and boost the TV ratings. We're a profitable, mediocre football program. We throw more money at the problem that never gets fixed. Outside of JFF 2012 season and 1998 conf champion season, we field an undisciplined, inconsistent on field product every single year.

We set new records for coaching contracts. We yell proudly that surely, this next coach will bring us to the promised land. And it never does. We have all the talent in the world and can't pull it together. We consistently play not to lose and rarely ever play to win.

Coaching is a problem, sure. But we have a deep-seated culture problem and no one can tell me we don't after our horrendous results year after year after year.

Wanna know what program's fans don't sell out the house when their on field product sucks?
Michigan. Remember Brady hoke? How's the program doing now?
Texas. Remember Chollie? Mensa? How's the program doing now?

Can go on and on. And change happens in these programs, usually fast.

Where's the killer instinct? Where's the grit? When's the last time we've had a season we haven't lost a game we should have won handily?

Johnny was great for us. Not only was the most electric QB to ever play college football, he was also the antithesis of our culture.

Bama scores a TD? "**** that. **** Nick Saban. We're scoring right ****ing now on this drive". Where was that confidence and moxy from the team today? Our fans sure as hell don't have it, either.

I'm tired of us being "nice" and saying "wait til next year" every single year as we continue to prop up an undisciplined, volatile football program with unwavering support.

At some point, when we consistently lose over and over and never know what kind of team is going to show up on any Saturday after bringing in proven coach after proven coach, it's not just the coaching at fault.
I have just posted this in another post. I have many times in several years.
There never will be a next year. All of you haven't begun to see the mediocrity culture! I've been watching A&M football for 69 years. It's a way of life at A&M, it will get no better. Since 1954, YEA, I know, you are all tired of hearing it, however, Bryant and Sherrill are the only two coaches at A&M who had a chance of having a consistent winning program. No one else came close. Sixty nine years is TERRIBLE, however, that's the A&M culture. Learn to live with or pull for another team.
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That's ****ing defeatist as hell.
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1:34a, 10/15/23
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Ridiculous that athletics has gotta be the only profession where you get fired and walk away with millions regardless.

I was cautiously optimistic about Jimbo at the time but man, what a failed experiment and the latest walking Aggie joke. I have no idea who we could hire.

After the App State loss, something in me snapped and I just don't care anymore like I used to. N
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
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