It Aint Easy Being Brown said:

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He's had 6 years

He's got another 7

How long does it take to realize he's a mediocre coach

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As long as it takes for a gigantic buyout to be affordable by the same idiots who gave him the worst coaching contract in history.

Fran sat us back a decade.

But everyone was so excited because we got Alabama's coach and they were tired of RC.

As long as Jimbo is recruiting well and continues to make adjustments, like bringing in Petrino, I am not in a hurry to get rid of him.

I thought this team would be 7-5 or 8-4 to start the season. I am interested to see how this team responds to a very physical and close loss against Alabama and then travels to a Tennessee team coming off a bye week. It doesn't look good on paper but how this team responds will tell us a lot about this locker room.

BigSneezy said:

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I mean why not?

We've been average for 25 years. What's another 2 or 3 matter?

It's like selling a car. My car that's paid for works. All the other new cars costs tons of money and this car is likely just as good as the newer one and is paid for.

Why break the bank for only a marginally better product? Would a new coach really bring us a title?

Really? Or would it just make us feel better?

Now if we see a great deal then make a move. But honestly every coach out there would take 4-5 years to rebuild. And honestly Jimbo will be winning ten games at least by then if he keeps recruiting well.

I think I am changing my mind on Jimbo. Let's just enjoy the games.

Honestly, I don't think a new coach is going to change anything. Recruiting higher for a long period of time is really the only thing that matters. That and favorable scheduling.

NIL helps too.

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The recruiting is still good but the naysayers keep claiming it's falling off to move the goalposts. I think the 2020 season was in effect the prototype of how Jimbo can win and apparently the post-Woodward decision maker who was the architect for the small extension and sizable increase went from $7.5 to an average of $9.5 or roughly 27%) agreed.

The original contract term was intentionally ten years and Sharp took credit for the length and claimed it would have been longer if Jimbo had agreed to a longer contract term. The three year extension is a 30% term extension but merely took it back to the ten-year length.

We can argue whether the 2020 passes the smell test that got the extension, but that's just backwards looking carping. The fan base (and Stallings) generally focus on contract and money issues they have zero control over and use that to foment frankly jealousy that they have no control.

The AD likely isn't the decision maker that approved Jimbo's extension and I think the BoR likely had to approve it. The political process is accountable both through the governor appointed BoR and the Chancellor's interaction with the legislative budgeting process.

The amount of the contract is potentially politically embarrassing to the school if there is not full private funding for the buyout. So I wouldn't expect an impetuous firing decision for reasons that have been reported and are well understood.

Our partner ESPN is intentionally writing a story arc that benefits them but at our expense. That is the problem with being dependent on a news source for funding…

while i don't feel good about the original post, i can't deny the logic. after all this time i've got to admit the chance the NEXT coach takes us all the way isn't much better than zero. the key to peace with aggie football is to embrace texas bowl goals.

ABATTBQ87 said:

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Terminating coaches every 6 years is not the answer, it's a media talking point to piss off fan bases to break out the pitchforks and torches.

Aggies and the media have been our worst enemies regarding coaching turnover and hiring.

Since 1972 the Aggies have had 8 head coaches, an average lifespan of 6.25 years.

Why did we want to make Emory a Memory? he was the first coach in 30 years to have 3+ winning seasons in a row

Why did the media go after Jackie Sherrill, Kevin Murray, etc during his winning tenure at A&M? Why didn't the administration support and keep him during the George Smith investigation? Jackie's teams won 3 straight SWC titles, the first time since 1939-1941

RC Slocum coached for 14 years, and was highly successful on the field but why didn't the AD and fundraisers make the necessary upgrades to the athletic facilities instead of being passed by tu and OU?
Also remember the Dallas media dug up the story of players receiving payment for not working, specifically Greg Hill, prior the 1993 Cotton Bowl, when we were undefeated. Greg had to sit out the 1993 season.

Then Fran, Sherman, and Sumlin came and went. All of these had ties to Texas and so were safe picks.

Now Jimbo, who has raised the recruiting prowess of A&M to a national level; has caused the national media to scrutinize every move he has made and has stoked the fire of 6 years and he should be done, made a big deal of the Jimbo attack on Saban, after Saban accused A&M of paying all the recruiting class of 2021.

If you want to replace Jimbo so we can hire another coach who will not be successful here, do it. But be advised that in this day of transfer portal, there will be a mass exodus of players, and the program will take
years to rebound, and you are just opening the door to tu and OU to out-recruit us and put us back of the pack in the pecking order, just as the media wants.

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How do you define success in the current football program.

What parameters do you personally use to define Fisher's success so far?

Serious questions.

BigSneezy said:

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I mean why not?

We've been average for 25 years. What's another 2 or 3 matter?

It's like selling a car. My car that's paid for works. All the other new cars costs tons of money and this car is likely just as good as the newer one and is paid for.

Why break the bank for only a marginally better product? Would a new coach really bring us a title?

Really? Or would it just make us feel better?

Now if we see a great deal then make a move. But honestly every coach out there would take 4-5 years to rebuild. And honestly Jimbo will be winning ten games at least by then if he keeps recruiting well.

I think I am changing my mind on Jimbo. Let's just enjoy the games.

Honestly, I don't think a new coach is going to change anything. Recruiting higher for a long period of time is really the only thing that matters. That and favorable scheduling.

NIL helps too.

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LOL!!!! My friend. you've made more sense with your post than most I've read. You've put it all in the correct perspective! I like the way you think!!!!

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Maroon Dawn said:

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Bottlehead90 said:

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The team still plays hard. I have not seen the team give up on Jimbo. I saw them give up on Fran, Sherman, and Sumlin.

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This team is a 7 win team with major talent deficits at key positions that are easy to exploit

That's not a team that "gave up"

But it's also completely unacceptable here in year 6 when the DEC is as down as it will ever be

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Pump the brakes there pal. 7 wins? We could very well lose every other conference game this year.

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The problem with your assessment is the opposite is also true. We're good enough to win out also. Last year about this time LSU got BLOWN OUT in their stadium by UT. They rallied and won the west. Point is we have talent because this staff can recruit- that's not a guarantee.

Because he's costing us more money, recruits and momentum moving forward keeping him here. Cut the chord and **** can his ass NOW. Show the players and the recruits we mean business.

"For as long as he's recruiting"?

I do not follow recruiting at all but Fisher's image has taken a severe blow. JMO players want to get to the NFL and it's life changing money. If it becomes the public's perception that Jimbo can't develop talent to win big then many will opt for other programs. Fisher will always recruit very well but his elite days are in the past.
ESiPN and the other sports pimps like simple themes. We are the Washington Generals of college football. Good but never great.

2020 was a spectacular success and only his third year. Recruiting has been (247)

2019: #4
2020: #6
2021; #8
2022: #1
2023: #15 (but was a needs filling year)
2924: #3

2020 as his third year was outstanding but has a good OL, good receiver corps, Elko defense, and Mond who was an above average college QB but hardly elite.

2021 was a very good first campaign for Calzada with a win against #1 Bama and #12 Auburn and losses to then ranked Arkansas (#16) and Ole Miss (#12) as well as unranked Miss State and LSU at home. The four losses were disappointing, but for a first-year starter at QB is was serviceable.

2022 and 2023 both have been marred by QB injuries and inconsistent OL play which might be related topics. 2022's 5-7 is by far Jimbo's worse oof since his closing year at FSU (5-6 though he didn't coach the bowl game.)

This year we hoped CW would start and be more effective. We have had inconsistent running game and our dbs get exposed by both longer opposing QB decision making and partially by safety over the top coverage (or lack thereof.)

But if you take in thirds, no fan can claim disappointment about the Covid year in part because we played nine SEC conference games and won all but Bama.

We missed by one more win game making the CFP according to the CFP committee chairman (fwiw.)

Now can that view be disrupted by ignoring what actually happened in an effort to fire Jimbo? Why bother with facts if that's your intent in asking…

DGrimesAg92 said:

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Because he's costing us more money, recruits and momentum moving forward keeping him here. Cut the chord and **** can his ass NOW. Show the players and the recruits we mean business.

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Its a cord not a barbershop quartet btw…


The recruiting claim is utterly false btw today at least. The money doesn't change until 2031 if you fire him other than paying for a new HC and staff. That usually is MORE money.

greg.w.h said:

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2020 was a spectacular success and only his third year. Recruiting has been (247)

2019: #4
2020: #6
2021; #8
2022: #1
2023: #15 (but was a needs filling year)
2924: #3

2020 as his third year was outstanding but has a good OL, good receiver corps, Elko defense, and Mond who was an above average college QB but hardly elite.

2021 was a very good first campaign for Calzada with a win against #1 Bama and #12 Auburn and losses to then ranked Arkansas (#16) and Ole Miss (#12) as well as unranked Miss State and LSU at home. The four losses were disappointing, but for a first-year starter at QB is was serviceable.

2022 and 2023 both have been marred by QB injuries and inconsistent OL play which might be related topics. 2022's 5-7 is by far Jimbo's worse oof since his closing year at FSU (5-6 though he didn't coach the bowl game.)

This year we hoped CW would start and be more effective. We have had inconsistent running game and our dbs get exposed by both longer opposing QB decision making and partially by safety over the top coverage (or lack thereof.)

But if you take in thirds, no fan can claim disappointment about the Covid year in part because we played nine SEC conference games and won all but Bama.

We missed by one more win game making the CFP according to the CFP committee chairman (fwiw.)

Now can that view be disrupted by ignoring what actually happened in an effort to fire Jimbo? Why bother with facts if that's your intent in asking…

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Spectacular successes result in conference titles or playoff berths. 2020 was a "good" year.

NavyVetAg said:

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I remember how other coaches completely lost the locker room. None more evident than Sunlin after running two 5* QBs out of town.

This team is not far from turning the corner. They need a little improvement with O-line and a lot of improvement with pass coverage.

I thought we matched up well against Bama. Should have won the game, however, they are still better. They might not lose another game this year. Tearing the whole thing down and starting over again isn't going to get us there any faster.


We may have the worst running game in NCAA.

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Sadly the best we'll get out of this morass of mediocrity is MAYBE firing the OL coach as a sacrificial termination to placate the fan base

Ol_Ag_02 said:

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greg.w.h said:

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2020 was a spectacular success and only his third year. Recruiting has been (247)

2019: #4
2020: #6
2021; #8
2022: #1
2023: #15 (but was a needs filling year)
2924: #3

2020 as his third year was outstanding but has a good OL, good receiver corps, Elko defense, and Mond who was an above average college QB but hardly elite.

2021 was a very good first campaign for Calzada with a win against #1 Bama and #12 Auburn and losses to then ranked Arkansas (#16) and Ole Miss (#12) as well as unranked Miss State and LSU at home. The four losses were disappointing, but for a first-year starter at QB is was serviceable.

2022 and 2023 both have been marred by QB injuries and inconsistent OL play which might be related topics. 2022's 5-7 is by far Jimbo's worse oof since his closing year at FSU (5-6 though he didn't coach the bowl game.)

This year we hoped CW would start and be more effective. We have had inconsistent running game and our dbs get exposed by both longer opposing QB decision making and partially by safety over the top coverage (or lack thereof.)

But if you take in thirds, no fan can claim disappointment about the Covid year in part because we played nine SEC conference games and won all but Bama.

We missed by one more win game making the CFP according to the CFP committee chairman (fwiw.)

Now can that view be disrupted by ignoring what actually happened in an effort to fire Jimbo? Why bother with facts if that's your intent in asking…

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Spectacular successes result in conference titles or playoff berths. 2020 was a "good" year.

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For our program 2020 was the BEST outcome since 1939. Loathing the success we have won't make more success.

aginresearch said:

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Fisher does not compare to Harbaugh. Except for COVID 2020 where Harbaugh tanked and Fisher did not everything else looks better for Harbaugh. If Fisher had Harbaugh's record we'd be building a statue for him.

Here's Harbuagh's record by year at Michigan:
2015 10-3
2016 10-3
2017 8-5
2018 10-3
2019 9-4
2020 2-4
2021 12-2
2022 13-1
2023 6-0

He started off with two 10 win seasons. We've never had a 10 win season under Fisher. He's gone on to have 3 more ten win seasons and this season may have the best team in CFB. Sorry it is a disservice to Harbaugh to compare him to Fisher.

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How many national titles do each of them have?

2020*

BigSneezy said:

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NavyVetAg said:

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I remember how other coaches completely lost the locker room. None more evident than Sunlin after running two 5* QBs out of town.

This team is not far from turning the corner. They need a little improvement with O-line and a lot of improvement with pass coverage.

I thought we matched up well against Bama. Should have won the game, however, they are still better. They might not lose another game this year. Tearing the whole thing down and starting over again isn't going to get us there any faster.

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This is absolutely true. We are a good team. We aren't yet a great team, but we are better than we've been in 2-3 years and we are improving.

We have issues. But we are getting better. It's almost like we are building with next season being the target.

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If we were a good team that played sound football and didn't mismanage the clock and play selection, we'd mostly be disappointed in the loss, but satisfied with the direction of the program.

Unfortunately, we're a good team that makes terrible mistakes at the most inopportune times, have a very weak OL and are in year 6 of a historically huge contract (THAT WE EXTENDED after the HC had done nothing to that point).

I think a lot fewer posters would be this upset if we were not in year SIX of building this champion, still losing to Bama, and the Miss schools, and had some huge holes in the roster. If we had a decent OL that wasn't so confused all the time, we'd have won that game Saturday (and probably Miami). But again, we are in year 6 paying for championship football and still seeing 'good'.

**The sack/safety was just a complete pancake against the OL. How is that happening in year 6? Even last year, their were games the OL just looked flat out confused. Not, they can't block anyone, I mean like 3 of the 5 weren't sure what their assignments were supposed to be. Then we play LSU, who had a good team last fall, and run all over them. How are they so inconsistent week to week, hell series to series?

Might as well give him another couple years

Nothing changes here until it changes at the decision maker level above the AD and HFC. I don't know of another charitable entity that could squander resources at the level of the 12th Man Foundation without serious uproar. But they just keep getting away with it.

Cromagnum said:

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To use your analogy, we effectively paid a huge market adjustment on a used car, then refinanced it at a much higher interest rate when we decided we wanted to keep it. Our decision makers are morons.

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Ah - but they're going to get THE game back, so pretty soon Jimbo will only have 1 game a year to worry about.

With their current programs? Neither have a national championship I am aware of. Unless we are talking about at other programs? Why would we be concerned about the past at different schools.

However, in this current season one team is ranked #2 and looks to be in good shape to make the playoffs. Again. For the second straight year. Which would give that school an opportunity to actually win a national championship.

Bottlehead90 said:

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The team still plays hard. I have not seen the team give up on Jimbo. I saw them give up on Fran, Sherman, and Sumlin.

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This!

Bottlehead90 said:

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The team still plays hard. I have not seen the team give up on Jimbo. I saw them give up on Fran, Sherman, and Sumlin.

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Bc we got some good players. Jimbo just sucks.

Ashes4Trees said:

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I really think we need to keep Jimbo as long as he is recruiting.

Harbaugh is in year 9. They didn't do much until last year.

People around here like to think it can't get worse. Get a failed hire in here and youlll lose a decade- or more.

As it is now- we have the talent to be in the race every year. It's just not worth 75m to fire him at this point.

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lol. Recruiting? He sucks at recruiting the positions we suck at. And sucks at recruiting good coordinators. Also sucks at the transfer portal minus getting scrubs.

aginresearch said:

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Fisher does not compare to Harbaugh. Except for COVID 2020 where Harbaugh tanked and Fisher did not everything else looks better for Harbaugh. If Fisher had Harbaugh's record we'd be building a statue for him.

Here's Harbuagh's record by year at Michigan:
2015 10-3
2016 10-3
2017 8-5
2018 10-3
2019 9-4
2020 2-4
2021 12-2
2022 13-1
2023 6-0

He started off with two 10 win seasons. We've never had a 10 win season under Fisher. He's gone on to have 3 more ten win seasons and this season may have the best team in CFB. Sorry it is a disservice to Harbaugh to compare him to Fisher.

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Woww

aginresearch said:

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Fisher does not compare to Harbaugh. Except for COVID 2020 where Harbaugh tanked and Fisher did not everything else looks better for Harbaugh. If Fisher had Harbaugh's record we'd be building a statue for him.

Here's Harbuagh's record by year at Michigan:
2015 10-3
2016 10-3
2017 8-5
2018 10-3
2019 9-4
2020 2-4
2021 12-2
2022 13-1
2023 6-0

He started off with two 10 win seasons. We've never had a 10 win season under Fisher. He's gone on to have 3 more ten win seasons and this season may have the best team in CFB. Sorry it is a disservice to Harbaugh to compare him to Fisher.

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Last year Harbaugh earned $561,538 per win.
Jimbo earned 1,830,000 per win.

greg.w.h said:

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2020 was a spectacular success and only his third year. Recruiting has been (247)

2019: #4
2020: #6
2021; #8
2022: #1
2023: #15 (but was a needs filling year)
2924: #3

2020 as his third year was outstanding but has a good OL, good receiver corps, Elko defense, and Mond who was an above average college QB but hardly elite.

2021 was a very good first campaign for Calzada with a win against #1 Bama and #12 Auburn and losses to then ranked Arkansas (#16) and Ole Miss (#12) as well as unranked Miss State and LSU at home. The four losses were disappointing, but for a first-year starter at QB is was serviceable.

2022 and 2023 both have been marred by QB injuries and inconsistent OL play which might be related topics. 2022's 5-7 is by far Jimbo's worse oof since his closing year at FSU (5-6 though he didn't coach the bowl game.)

This year we hoped CW would start and be more effective. We have had inconsistent running game and our dbs get exposed by both longer opposing QB decision making and partially by safety over the top coverage (or lack thereof.)

But if you take in thirds, no fan can claim disappointment about the Covid year in part because we played nine SEC conference games and won all but Bama.

We missed by one more win game making the CFP according to the CFP committee chairman (fwiw.)

Now can that view be disrupted by ignoring what actually happened in an effort to fire Jimbo? Why bother with facts if that's your intent in asking…

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Great facts……..

Now, after 6 years, where is the fact we won the SEC West and where is the fact we played for the SEC Championship!

They don't exist.

That's how I see a successful tenure after 6 years of your great facts!

We haven't won jacksh*t yet……..that's the most important fact there is.

Viper16 said:

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greg.w.h said:

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2020 was a spectacular success and only his third year. Recruiting has been (247)

2019: #4
2020: #6
2021; #8
2022: #1
2023: #15 (but was a needs filling year)
2924: #3

2020 as his third year was outstanding but has a good OL, good receiver corps, Elko defense, and Mond who was an above average college QB but hardly elite.

2021 was a very good first campaign for Calzada with a win against #1 Bama and #12 Auburn and losses to then ranked Arkansas (#16) and Ole Miss (#12) as well as unranked Miss State and LSU at home. The four losses were disappointing, but for a first-year starter at QB is was serviceable.

2022 and 2023 both have been marred by QB injuries and inconsistent OL play which might be related topics. 2022's 5-7 is by far Jimbo's worse oof since his closing year at FSU (5-6 though he didn't coach the bowl game.)

This year we hoped CW would start and be more effective. We have had inconsistent running game and our dbs get exposed by both longer opposing QB decision making and partially by safety over the top coverage (or lack thereof.)

But if you take in thirds, no fan can claim disappointment about the Covid year in part because we played nine SEC conference games and won all but Bama.

We missed by one more win game making the CFP according to the CFP committee chairman (fwiw.)

Now can that view be disrupted by ignoring what actually happened in an effort to fire Jimbo? Why bother with facts if that's your intent in asking…

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Great facts……..

Now, after 6 years, where is the fact we won the SEC West and where is the fact we played for the SEC Championship!

They don't exist.

That's how I see a successful tenure after 6 years of your great facts!

We haven't won jacksh*t yet……..that's the most important fact there is.

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so, you're the class of 1973; how many championships were won in the last 50 years?

Let me help you: 3 SWC titles in the '80s; 3 SWC titles in the '90s (+1 on probation) and 1 Big XII title

A grand total of ZERO championships since 1998 (25 years)

Why? Coaching turnover/stability. 5 HCs in the 21st century don't develop a winning culture; Sumlin never had a losing record but was fired for some reason. Why? Because of overzealous former students who think throwing money at a problem will be a quick fix; well it won't because we have 50 years of data that proves beyond a doubt that A&M lacks the winning culture that we all desire.

The reason to not give him 2 or 3 more years is because fan interest is going to fall off. Just wait.

ABATTBQ87 said:

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Viper16 said:

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greg.w.h said:

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2020 was a spectacular success and only his third year. Recruiting has been (247)

2019: #4
2020: #6
2021; #8
2022: #1
2023: #15 (but was a needs filling year)
2924: #3

2020 as his third year was outstanding but has a good OL, good receiver corps, Elko defense, and Mond who was an above average college QB but hardly elite.

2021 was a very good first campaign for Calzada with a win against #1 Bama and #12 Auburn and losses to then ranked Arkansas (#16) and Ole Miss (#12) as well as unranked Miss State and LSU at home. The four losses were disappointing, but for a first-year starter at QB is was serviceable.

2022 and 2023 both have been marred by QB injuries and inconsistent OL play which might be related topics. 2022's 5-7 is by far Jimbo's worse oof since his closing year at FSU (5-6 though he didn't coach the bowl game.)

This year we hoped CW would start and be more effective. We have had inconsistent running game and our dbs get exposed by both longer opposing QB decision making and partially by safety over the top coverage (or lack thereof.)

But if you take in thirds, no fan can claim disappointment about the Covid year in part because we played nine SEC conference games and won all but Bama.

We missed by one more win game making the CFP according to the CFP committee chairman (fwiw.)

Now can that view be disrupted by ignoring what actually happened in an effort to fire Jimbo? Why bother with facts if that's your intent in asking…

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Great facts……..

Now, after 6 years, where is the fact we won the SEC West and where is the fact we played for the SEC Championship!

They don't exist.

That's how I see a successful tenure after 6 years of your great facts!

We haven't won jacksh*t yet……..that's the most important fact there is.

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so, you're the class of 1973; how many championships were won in the last 50 years?

Let me help you: 3 SWC titles in the '80s; 3 SWC titles in the '90s (+1 on probation) and 1 Big XII title

A grand total of ZERO championships since 1998 (25 years)

Why? Coaching turnover/stability. 5 HCs in the 21st century don't develop a winning culture; Sumlin never had a losing record but was fired for some reason. Why? Because of overzealous former students who think throwing money at a problem will be a quick fix; well it won't because we have 50 years of data that proves beyond a doubt that A&M lacks the winning culture that we all desire.

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LOL!

I'm fully aware of the past….probably more than you are.

We are talking about Fisher's tenure! Like I said, the fact is we haven't won or completed for a Western title or played in an SEC Championship game under him. Past is irrelevant to today's game.

Quit blaming overzealous former students when the "hiree" doesn't produce the desired results.

We hired a national championship coach 6 years ago. We shouldn't be having these average seasons at this point.

Winning culture occurs when we win win a majority of our games every year. I'm not talking about 7-5, 8-4 or the horrendous 5-7 season. I'm talking about 9+ games at this stage.

I'm waiting for Fisher to produce the 2 most important facts……my guess he won't produce them this year either.

Blue Star for you, sir. The recruiting is so good, even with some uncertainty, and will maintain or get better if there is a public acknowledgement that Jimbo has us on the right track. That we are behind him on the train.

Achane (past), Weigman, the receivers, the emergence of Nolen, Stewart, Turner on the DL, Bryce Anderson--who played out of his mind last weekend--other playmakers will also emerge.

I say stay the course for now. We will win at least eight games.

ABATTBQ87 said:

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Terminating coaches every 6 years is not the answer, it's a media talking point to piss off fan bases to break out the pitchforks and torches.

Aggies and the media have been our worst enemies regarding coaching turnover and hiring.

Since 1972 the Aggies have had 8 head coaches, an average lifespan of 6.25 years.

Why did we want to make Emory a Memory? he was the first coach in 30 years to have 3+ winning seasons in a row

Why did the media go after Jackie Sherrill, Kevin Murray, etc during his winning tenure at A&M? Why didn't the administration support and keep him during the George Smith investigation? Jackie's teams won 3 straight SWC titles, the first time since 1939-1941

RC Slocum coached for 14 years, and was highly successful on the field but why didn't the AD and fundraisers make the necessary upgrades to the athletic facilities instead of being passed by tu and OU?
Also remember the Dallas media dug up the story of players receiving payment for not working, specifically Greg Hill, prior the 1993 Cotton Bowl, when we were undefeated. Greg had to sit out the 1993 season.

Then Fran, Sherman, and Sumlin came and went. All of these had ties to Texas and so were safe picks.

Now Jimbo, who has raised the recruiting prowess of A&M to a national level; has caused the national media to scrutinize every move he has made and has stoked the fire of 6 years and he should be done, made a big deal of the Jimbo attack on Saban, after Saban accused A&M of paying all the recruiting class of 2021.

If you want to replace Jimbo so we can hire another coach who will not be successful here, do it. But be advised that in this day of transfer portal, there will be a mass exodus of players, and the program will take
years to rebound, and you are just opening the door to tu and OU to out-recruit us and put us back of the pack in the pecking order, just as the media wants.

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The odds of a coach winning it all after 6 years if they haven't done it yet are actually very slim considering the past 25-30 years. Most coaches either win a natty within 4 or are working on their second. The outliers all had programs with multiple prior 10 win seasons and/or conference championships. We KNOW Jimbo falls far short here.

The problem is that winning a natty, or even conference championship, is heavily based on randomness because there are so many factors at play in winning one. How opponents are playing, recruiting from previous years, injuries, close calls in games, etc all help drive a team's championship run. Those teams that are constantly on the cusp or win multiple championships are the ones who are maximizing their odds in everything they can control. They're like card counters in blackjack. Others simply get lucky, like Auburn with Cam Newton or LSU with Joe Burrow. Those are the guys who don't get dealt a good hand and don't **** it up.

Jimbo does not do well enough in the areas he can control to maximize his chance enough to overcome all of the challenges of winning a championship at even a division level. He's relying on getting lucky like he did with Jameis Winston, and that's simply not going to happen again. One of the biggest issues is inconsistent and undisciplined play. That's 100% on coaching because it seems from the practice methods and standards established by the coaches. Another big issue is seemingly not planning ahead and developing players today for next year and the year after's teams. When Mond left, there was very little experience at the QB position because hardly anyone else got playing time in garbage time. We've had similar problems at other positions. In year 5-6, there's no excuse for position groups to be "young" and inexperienced. Yet last year, we had a young DL and inexperienced OL.

He's teasing problems as they come instead of solving tomorrow's problems today. He'll always be two steps behind.

Bama is relatively down but that doesn't mean they're not still a top 5-10 team in the country. All those 5 stars we harp about? Yeah they still have twice as many as we do and the most talented roster in CFB (247).

We're 3 games into playing the west. We lost to bama by 1 score. Pretty early to say we haven't done anything with this year's weak conference.

DTuba said:

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Major talent deficits? Unfortunately we do have injuries but major talent deficits? Really?

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The biggest myth out there is how talented this team is...One need only use their eyes to see this. There a clearly some talented players, but not one really special player in the bunch. Maybe potentially special, but so far, not there.