Already has at least 1 loss. When was the last time that happened this early in a season?

Shows the SEC West is truly a wide open race this year.

Sucks for our Strength of Schedule though... not that we are getting in without winning the SEC but in other years making it through the West even if you lost in the SECCG would have been more impressive.

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Already has at least 1 loss. When was the last time that happened this early in a season?

Shows the SEC West is truly a wide open race this year.

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Yep. This is the year to take advantage. Here's hoping we can do that

Yep talking heads are pushing a weak SEC narrative. If George, Alabama or LSU doesn't win the conference title the SEC will be left out. They are pushing PAC 12, FSU, Texas, Oklahoma and Penn State.

BCR said:

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Yep talking heads are pushing a weak SEC narrative. If George, Alabama or LSU doesn't win the conference title the SEC will be left out. They are pushing PAC 12, FSU, Texas, Oklahoma and Penn State.

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They're pushing the Big Ten

BCR said:

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Yep talking heads are pushing a weak SEC narrative. If George, Alabama or LSU doesn't win the conference title the SEC will be left out. They are pushing PAC 12, FSU, Texas, Oklahoma and Penn State.

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OU isn't going to do squat this year.

I just hope Penn State stomps Ohio St. and then Michigan stomps PSU and OSU.

Agsttt said:

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BCR said:

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Yep talking heads are pushing a weak SEC narrative. If George, Alabama or LSU doesn't win the conference title the SEC will be left out. They are pushing PAC 12, FSU, Texas, Oklahoma and Penn State.

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OU isn't going to do squat this year.

I just hope Penn State stomps Ohio St. and then Michigan stomps PSU and OSU.

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OU may have found a defense. If they don't beat the Horns, it's likely Texas runs the table. Big12 is pretty weak overall and they have a VERY favorable schedule. Their only remaining road games are TCU, Iowa St and Houston. Houston isn't very good and Iowa St might not win another game this year. That's how bad they are.
I'd take 3 Big10 teams in the playoffs before even letting the Horns sniff that chance.

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Sucks for our Strength of Schedule though... not that we are getting in without winning the SEC but in other years making it through the West even if you lost in the SECCG would have been more impressive.

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With the loss to Miami we were never getting in without winning the SEC.

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Yep talking heads are pushing a weak SEC narrative. If George, Alabama or LSU doesn't win the conference title the SEC will be left out. They are pushing PAC 12, FSU, Texas, Oklahoma and Penn State.

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To be fair the reason we always correctly pushed a strong SEC narrative was because we dominated the early non-conference games. That just wasn't true this year. FSU smashed LSU. sips won at Bama. Utah beat Florida without their QB. Miami beat us. SEC kind of earned their narrative this year. SEC Champ will still get in with 1 loss or less.

I actually think we have a 2 yr, possibly a 3 yr window right now. That's this year or next and possibly even into 25. Think about it, when looking at the current class breakdown, you know you are losing the following after this season

Guys that are probably leaving after this season (NFL, out of Eligibility or transfer out)
Ainias Smith-------NFL
David Bailey-----transfer in from Colorado St
Jerry Johnson------transfer in from Rice
Max Wright--------out of eligibility
Layden Robinson--------either NFL or transfer
Finn Dirstine--------transfer from Boston College
McKinnley Jackson---------NFL
Micaiah Overton---------out of eligibility
Demani Richardson--------NFL
Nik Constantinou---------NFL
Shemar Turner------------NFL
Edge------------------------NFL
Chappell-----------------NFL
Betrand--------with what we are building on the OL, I don't see us keeping him around.




Guys who could return or leave early to NFL or transfer out
Jurriente Davis--------class of 2019. transfer from Jackson St, could return for his Covid year. Think he came here to play 1 yr SEC and go NFL but since he isn't starting, depending on playing time going forward and how much positive he can get on tape, might have to return to get his stock up.
Chris Russell------class of 2019, RS Sr but could return for his last year (Covid yr).
Josh DeBerry------class of 2019, transfer from Boston College, RS Sr but could return for his last year (Covid).
Tony Grimes--------Class of 2020, transfer from UNC, has yet to play so technically could use this, his true 4th yr as a RS and return to play next year. I think when he gets 100% healthy and gets on the field, he will take off. Dude is definitely shooting for this to be his last year and go NFL but we will see.
Aki-----Class of 2020, this is his 4th yr, been passed up by younger guys, we have studs coming in with the 24 class that will probably pass him up as well. Don't see him sticking around
Moko-------Same as Aki
Fatheree-----possibly same as Aki and Moko, don't know. Have been surprised, he hasn't elevated his game and got his spot back but that also speaks volumes as to just how good Bisontis has been. I would think Fatheree comes back but you never know. Has a high ceiling, could transfer out, play 1 yr somewhere else and really shoot his stock up so he can go NFL after 24. Would make sense either decision he makes
Raikes---------Class of 2020, this is his 4th yr and he is a RS Jr, could technically come back for 2 more years, come back for 1 and then transfer out for the 25 season. We will see but definitely has been passed up by superior, youthful talent. Wouldn't surprise me if he stays or goes after this year.
Kam Dewberry-------could be a transfer out. I hope I am wrong but he has shown dissatisfaction several times already with his lack of reps.
GBD-----------can't really tell you why they haven't played him but he has shown several times some unhappiness with lack of play time. Hopefully he stays but we will have to see.
Zuhn----------I guess you have to list him here in case he continues to be our best OL this year, his stock could soar and he could leave early for the NFL as to not take a chance to have more injuries, go ahead and get to the league and make his long term money. I couldn't blame him at all. Wouldn't like it from selfishness but would understand
Foster-------same as Zuhn, could leave and not risk returning and possibly injury but I think as of today, would come back and he really still wants to keep working on the Olympics. If he goes NFL draft, he will miss the Olympics.


Now, back to the original point, I think we have a 2 yr window, possibly 3 if you look at what we more than likely return in 24 to an easier schedule with no Bama on there. Add to it some pieces from this 24 class and this is a damn good team next year. I don't like playing ND on 8/31 as Jimbo tends to be slow out of the gates so game 1 is a little concerning but literally, we should be able to win the rest of our games. Yes, we will have test @Auburn, in the Swamp and of course, the whorns at home but I really do think if we are able to keep most of the guys from the 22 and 23 class in tact and return for next year, sure up our coaching on OL and DC, improve our DB situation, improve our LB rotation (talented depth), we should be pretty damn hard to take down next year by any of those teams on our schedule. If somehow, some way, I don't see it happening but let's just say we get past ND in game 1, that makes it even that much more possible.

Or we can keep recruiting and have an every year window......

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Yep talking heads are pushing a weak SEC narrative. If George, Alabama or LSU doesn't win the conference title the SEC will be left out. They are pushing PAC 12, FSU, Texas, Oklahoma and Penn State.

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I get what you are saying but we are contributing to the "narrative " by losing a lot of non conference games. I wouldn't count on two SEC teams in the playoff this year.

BCR said:

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Yep talking heads are pushing a weak SEC narrative. If George, Alabama or LSU doesn't win the conference title the SEC will be left out. They are pushing PAC 12, FSU, Texas, Oklahoma and Penn State.

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I don't think it's a narrative, I think relative to most years the SEC is weak. That being said a one loss SEC champ still gets in unless there are four undefeated teams from P5. If USCw, Texas, FSU, and tOSU all run the table and Georgia isn't undefeated it'll be a tough sell to get the SEC in.

That being said I don't think we'll see that many undefeated teams by seasons end. A&M needs to just keep taking care of business each week.

Edit USCw

The SEC bashers are in full form. The only marquee Non conference win for the SEC is currently by.............Your Missouri Tigers, with their win over Kansas State. Other Conferences

Big Ten
Ohio State over Notre Dame
Iowa over Iowa State

Big 12
Texas over Alabama
BYU over Arkansas

ACC
Florida State over LSU
North Carolina over South Carolina
Miami over Texas A&M

PAC 10
Colorado over TCU
Utah over Florida
Washington State over Wisconsin

SEC
Missouri over Kansas State

The problem for the SEC is that A&M, Arkansas, Alabama, LSU and Florida lost non conference games to opponents they defeated last year. Also Georgia did not play a P5 team early this year, and Tennessee played Virginia. Other than Ohio State, the Big Ten did not have any showcase wins as Penn State beat a bad WVU team and Michigan did not play a Power 5 school (thank you Oklahoma). Also no one is giving Auburn any credit for beating Cal in Berkley and Mississippi State for the overtime win over Arizona.

Come November, people will remember why the SEC is still the SEC and that Big 10 football is no fun to watch and that most fans can't name 6 Big 12 teams.

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BCR said:

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Yep talking heads are pushing a weak SEC narrative. If George, Alabama or LSU doesn't win the conference title the SEC will be left out. They are pushing PAC 12, FSU, Texas, Oklahoma and Penn State.

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I don't think it's a narrative, I think relative to most years the SEC is weak. That being said a one loss SEC champ still gets in unless there are four undefeated teams from P5. If USCe, Texas, FSU, and tOSU all run the table and Georgia isn't undefeated it'll be a tough sell to get the SEC in.

That being said I don't think we'll see that many undefeated teams by seasons end. A&M needs to just keep taking care of business each week.

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USCe is not going to win out. They still have to play at Tennessee and at Kyle Field.

USC has a rough back half schedule. at Notre Dame, Utah, at Cal, Washington, at Oregon, UCLA

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Guys that are probably leaving after this season (NFL, out of Eligibility or transfer out)
Ainias Smith-------NFL
David Bailey-----transfer in from Colorado St
Jerry Johnson------transfer in from Rice
Max Wright--------out of eligibility
Layden Robinson--------either NFL or transfer
Finn Dirstine--------transfer from Boston College
McKinnley Jackson---------NFL
Micaiah Overton---------out of eligibility
Demani Richardson--------NFL
Nik Constantinou---------NFL
Shemar Turner------------NFL
Edge------------------------NFL
Chappell-----------------NFL
Betrand--------with what we are building on the OL, I don't see us keeping him around.

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mjhhawk said:

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Or we can keep recruiting and have an every year window......

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Reload…don't rebuild???

I literally reviewed east and west with my kid for school this morning then typed e instead of w

BCR said:

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Yep talking heads are pushing a weak SEC narrative.

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b/c so far the SEC does look weak this year.

SEC OOC P5 wins this year
Missouri at home over Kansas State (3-1) 30-27 via a 61 yard FG as time ran out
Tennessee vs Virginia (0-4) 49-13 who is still reeling from 3 players being murdered and 2 others injured during a shooting by a former player on a bus coming back to campus from a school trip to DC last year

Auburn at Cal (2-2) 14-10 who currently has former A&M OC Jake Spavital in his first year as their OC

Ole Miss at Georgia Tech (2-2) 48-23 led by Haynes King and is the same team that blew a 28-13 halftime lead to Louisville. Also have a win over Tulane 37-20 but... Tulane didn't have their starting QB and even then the game was just 20-17 OM w/8 minutes left in the 4th before the Wave completely self destructed w/turnovers and a way too early botched onside kick.

Miss State at home over Arizona (3-1) 31-24 in OT whose best win is 21-20 over a 1-3 Stanford that lost at home 30-23 to Sacramento State


P5 losses
A&M in Miami (4-0) 48-33 in a game where Miami did whatever they wanted on offense.

Bama at home to the sips (4-0) 34-24 where Milroe played so poorly he was benched for the next game

Florida at Utah (4-0) 24-11 who beat the Gators w/a 3rd string walk on as their starter (ACL recovery) and backup (lacerated liver) were both out

USCe vs UNC (4-0) 34-17 in a game that was all but over by the 4th quarter

Vandy at Wake Forest (3-1) 36-20 Vandy followed this up w/a loss at UNLV 40-37

LSU vs Florida State (4-0) 45-24 where FSU outscored LSU 31-7 in the second half

Arkansas at home to BYU (3-1) 38-31 where BYU offense had their way w/the Pigs after only being able to score 14 against Sam Houston

The SEC West is truly up for grabs this year. I think we can win our first 3 SEC games against Auburn, Arkansas, and Alabama to head into Knoxville with a 5-1 record. Before the season started, I thought the back-to-back games against Alabama and Tennessee would be our toughest stretch, and we would be lucky to even split those games. Now, I think both games are winnable. Of course, Tennessee has a bye week before they play us on 10/14 a week after we play a tough home game against Alabama on 10/7.

The road games at Ole Miss and LSU will probably be our biggest obstacle to winning the SEC West. Even if we don't win the SEC West division title, I hope we win at least one true road game this year and finish with a winning SEC record of 5-3 or better for just the 4th time in 12 years in the SEC and the 3rd time under Jimbo Fisher. We have lost 7 consecutive road games, and we could lose all 3 true road SEC games at Tennessee, Ole Miss, and LSU. If that happens, we will carry a 10-game road losing streak into next year. I hope we snap a 7-game road losing streak with a win at Tennessee.

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b/c so far the SEC does look weak this year.

SEC OOC P5 wins this year
Missouri at home over Kansas State (3-1) 30-27 via a 61 yard FG as time ran out
Tennessee vs Virginia (0-4) 49-13 who is still reeling from 3 players being murdered and 2 others injured during a shooting by a former player on a bus coming back to campus from a school trip to DC last year

Auburn at Cal (2-2) 14-10 who currently has former A&M OC Jake Spavital in his first year as their OC

Ole Miss at Georgia Tech (2-2) 48-23 led by Haynes King and is the same team that blew a 28-13 halftime lead to Louisville. Also have a win over Tulane 37-20 but... Tulane didn't have their starting QB and even then the game was just 20-17 OM w/8 minutes left in the 4th before the Wave completely self destructed w/turnovers and a way too early botched onside kick.

Miss State at home over Arizona (3-1) 31-24 in OT whose best win is 21-20 over a 1-3 Stanford that lost at home 30-23 to Sacramento State


P5 losses
A&M in Miami (4-0) 48-33 in a game where Miami did whatever they wanted on offense.

Bama at home to the sips (4-0) 34-24 where Milroe played so poorly he was benched for the next game

Florida at Utah (4-0) 24-11 who beat the Gators w/a 3rd string walk on as their starter (ACL recovery) and backup (lacerated liver) were both out

USCe vs UNC (4-0) 34-17 in a game that was all but over by the 4th quarter

Vandy at Wake Forest (3-1) 36-20 Vandy followed this up w/a loss at UNLV 40-37

LSU vs Florida State (4-0) 45-24 where FSU outscored LSU 31-7 in the second half

Arkansas at home to BYU (3-1) 38-31 where BYU offense had their way w/the Pigs after only being able to score 14 against Sam Houston

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You forgot to include Tennessee's 49-13 rout of Virginia in Week 1 and the final score of South Carolina vs North Carolia was 31-17. But I agree that the SEC looks weak this year. The SEC is currently 5-7 against Power 5 nonconference opponents, including 2-5 against ACC and 1-2 against the Big 12. 3 of those wins were by 7 points or less, and 6 of the 7 losses were by double digits.

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Yep talking heads are pushing a weak SEC narrative. If George, Alabama or LSU doesn't win the conference title the SEC will be left out. They are pushing PAC 12, FSU, Texas, Oklahoma and Penn State.

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Sec can't be left out, auto bid for conference champ.

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Or we can keep recruiting and have an every year window......

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This would be great in theory but there are several things that have to go right here. We have a good class already but still have several spots to fill. I was hoping for something like

Bussey
Black
Bradford
Atkins

And probably an additional DL, CB and 2 Safeties.

I am concerned as Bussey's date comes up this Thursday at 3:45 and worried we may not land him. We already know Black is a fight until ESD but we are currently behind. It appears that Bradford now seems unlikely and Atkins has gone back to being an Lsu lean per Brauny or Jason. I think it was Brauny who recently stated such. So, we need somehow, someway for Bussey to go our way and get us some much needed momentum on the trail as it has gone stale for quite some time now.

Don't forget, we also somehow, someway have to figure out a way to hold onto what we have and not lose guys like Myles Davis, Dominick McKinley, Drelon Miller, Dealyn Evans, Weston Davis, Tristan Jernigan, AJ Maddox (which would impact his baby brother, Andrew Maddox, already a badass DL in 2025) and Gabe Reliford. They are all crucial pieces as well. Remember Lsu and whorns have a lot of momentum and both are working hard on most of these guys.

By the way, timing is everything in life and God knows we usually end up on the wrong side of timing. Look at the whorns and what they have done in the 22 and 23 cycles (especially with us going 5-7 last season and them cleaning up on almost all the recruits we were in a H2H battle for) and now they are riding the momentum of this 23 season with a schedule going against easy defenses (helping their recruiting even more so) and much less talent competition only further helping their recruiting efforts so that in a matter of the 22 class, 23 class and 24 class, they will be entering the SEC not as a bottom dweller which until December of 2021, anybody would have thought differently. Timing always seems to work out for them. With that said, we have a huge opportunity in front of us with Arky, Bama and @Tenn. I don't think we can do it but you never know and the ripples would be far reaching if we won these 3 and ended up the season either 10-2 or 9-3 and then win a bowl game as well. Top that off with finishing out a top 5 class and we are rolling into next year. If we do roll again next year with a 10-2 season and a bowl win, we would have the potential to sign a top 3 class if not #1 again in that 25 cycle. It is filthy loaded and I am telling you there will be more impact on that class with how we finish this year than most are thinking ahead about.

BJM1781 said:

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Already has at least 1 loss. When was the last time that happened this early in a season?

Shows the SEC West is truly a wide open race this year.

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I told you guys two weeks ago

that Miami was a better team than you thought,

and that the Ags could still beat almost every team left on their schedule.

Shoefly! said:

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BCR said:

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Yep talking heads are pushing a weak SEC narrative. If George, Alabama or LSU doesn't win the conference title the SEC will be left out. They are pushing PAC 12, FSU, Texas, Oklahoma and Penn State.

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Sec can't be left out, auto bid for conference champ.

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Not this year

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Shoefly! said:

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Yep talking heads are pushing a weak SEC narrative. If George, Alabama or LSU doesn't win the conference title the SEC will be left out. They are pushing PAC 12, FSU, Texas, Oklahoma and Penn State.

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Not this year

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Did not know, thanks! What changed?

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Agsttt said:

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Yep talking heads are pushing a weak SEC narrative. If George, Alabama or LSU doesn't win the conference title the SEC will be left out. They are pushing PAC 12, FSU, Texas, Oklahoma and Penn State.

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OU isn't going to do squat this year.

I just hope Penn State stomps Ohio St. and then Michigan stomps PSU and OSU.

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OU may have found a defense. If they don't beat the Horns, it's likely Texas runs the table. Big12 is pretty weak overall and they have a VERY favorable schedule. Their only remaining road games are TCU, Iowa St and Houston. Houston isn't very good and Iowa St might not win another game this year. That's how bad they are.
I'd take 3 Big10 teams in the playoffs before even letting the Horns sniff that chance.

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Their defense is much better than last year but I don't see an offense that will score much on the sip D.

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Shoefly! said:

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Yep talking heads are pushing a weak SEC narrative. If George, Alabama or LSU doesn't win the conference title the SEC will be left out. They are pushing PAC 12, FSU, Texas, Oklahoma and Penn State.

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Did not know, thanks! What changed?

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nothing. Have you noticed that there are 5 P5 conferences and 4 playoffs spots? Auto bids start next year.

When McKinley Jackson leaves I expect a lot of playing time will open up for GDB.

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Kam Dewberry-------could be a transfer out. I hope I am wrong but he has shown dissatisfaction several times already with his lack of reps.
GBD-----------can't really tell you why they haven't played him but he has shown several times some unhappiness with lack of play time. Hopefully he stays but we will have to see.

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Haven't heard of this one, how have these guys shown dissatisfaction and unhappiness?

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Yep talking heads are pushing a weak SEC narrative. If George, Alabama or LSU doesn't win the conference title the SEC will be left out. They are pushing PAC 12, FSU, Texas, Oklahoma and Penn State.

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Sec can't be left out, auto bid for conference champ.

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Did not know, thanks! What changed?

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Oh snap, always considered pac a ****eshow! A lot of football left though.

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When McKinley Jackson leaves I expect a lot of playing time will open up for GDB.

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If he can avoid back to back offsides penalties.

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I actually think we have a 2 yr, possibly a 3 yr window right now. That's this year or next and possibly even into 25. Think about it, when looking at the current class breakdown, you know you are losing the following after this season

Guys that are probably leaving after this season (NFL, out of Eligibility or transfer out)
Ainias Smith-------NFL
David Bailey-----transfer in from Colorado St
Jerry Johnson------transfer in from Rice
Max Wright--------out of eligibility
Layden Robinson--------either NFL or transfer
Finn Dirstine--------transfer from Boston College
McKinnley Jackson---------NFL
Micaiah Overton---------out of eligibility
Demani Richardson--------NFL
Nik Constantinou---------NFL
Shemar Turner------------NFL
Edge------------------------NFL
Chappell-----------------NFL
Betrand--------with what we are building on the OL, I don't see us keeping him around.




Guys who could return or leave early to NFL or transfer out
Jurriente Davis--------class of 2019. transfer from Jackson St, could return for his Covid year. Think he came here to play 1 yr SEC and go NFL but since he isn't starting, depending on playing time going forward and how much positive he can get on tape, might have to return to get his stock up.
Chris Russell------class of 2019, RS Sr but could return for his last year (Covid yr).
Josh DeBerry------class of 2019, transfer from Boston College, RS Sr but could return for his last year (Covid).
Tony Grimes--------Class of 2020, transfer from UNC, has yet to play so technically could use this, his true 4th yr as a RS and return to play next year. I think when he gets 100% healthy and gets on the field, he will take off. Dude is definitely shooting for this to be his last year and go NFL but we will see.
Aki-----Class of 2020, this is his 4th yr, been passed up by younger guys, we have studs coming in with the 24 class that will probably pass him up as well. Don't see him sticking around
Moko-------Same as Aki
Fatheree-----possibly same as Aki and Moko, don't know. Have been surprised, he hasn't elevated his game and got his spot back but that also speaks volumes as to just how good Bisontis has been. I would think Fatheree comes back but you never know. Has a high ceiling, could transfer out, play 1 yr somewhere else and really shoot his stock up so he can go NFL after 24. Would make sense either decision he makes
Raikes---------Class of 2020, this is his 4th yr and he is a RS Jr, could technically come back for 2 more years, come back for 1 and then transfer out for the 25 season. We will see but definitely has been passed up by superior, youthful talent. Wouldn't surprise me if he stays or goes after this year.
Kam Dewberry-------could be a transfer out. I hope I am wrong but he has shown dissatisfaction several times already with his lack of reps.
GBD-----------can't really tell you why they haven't played him but he has shown several times some unhappiness with lack of play time. Hopefully he stays but we will have to see.
Zuhn----------I guess you have to list him here in case he continues to be our best OL this year, his stock could soar and he could leave early for the NFL as to not take a chance to have more injuries, go ahead and get to the league and make his long term money. I couldn't blame him at all. Wouldn't like it from selfishness but would understand
Foster-------same as Zuhn, could leave and not risk returning and possibly injury but I think as of today, would come back and he really still wants to keep working on the Olympics. If he goes NFL draft, he will miss the Olympics.


Now, back to the original point, I think we have a 2 yr window, possibly 3 if you look at what we more than likely return in 24 to an easier schedule with no Bama on there. Add to it some pieces from this 24 class and this is a damn good team next year. I don't like playing ND on 8/31 as Jimbo tends to be slow out of the gates so game 1 is a little concerning but literally, we should be able to win the rest of our games. Yes, we will have test @Auburn, in the Swamp and of course, the whorns at home but I really do think if we are able to keep most of the guys from the 22 and 23 class in tact and return for next year, sure up our coaching on OL and DC, improve our DB situation, improve our LB rotation (talented depth), we should be pretty damn hard to take down next year by any of those teams on our schedule. If somehow, some way, I don't see it happening but let's just say we get past ND in game 1, that makes it even that much more possible.


I'm not sure you understand the NFL, and what it takes. I don't think you should try and go the agent route.

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you mean, just jack up our NIL funding?

Leave it to amskier to completely jump the gun with speculation on who is leaving and who isn't 4 games into the season. I'm betting he's wrong on at least half a dozen of them. Maybe 10-12.

Already has Betrand leaving? A dude that looked like he was on the outside looking in 3 months ago and still made it to campus doing everything right at the end? Now he's likely gone? Based on what?

Russell has no more eligibility left. He played in 2019, 2021, and 2022. Even with Covid, 2023 is now his last year unless he doesn't play another game and redshirts this season.

DeBerry has no more eligibility left. Played in 7 games in 2019.

Pure speculation on Edge, Chappell, Turner. Maybe you're right, but it's speculative right now.

Jerry Johnson has another year of eligibility. Redshirted in 2019 only playing 3 games.

Raikes has one year after this year. Not 2. 2021, 2022, now 2023 is his 3rd year used of eligibility.

Grimes doesn't need to redshirt this year. He can come back next year regardless. Completely up to him.