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How did the defense get worse?

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If I didn't know better, I'd think that they had our play calls.

They picked up our blitzes like they had advance notice.

It just seemed to good to me.
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You can't have a spring and fall camp and not have your defense ready. No excuse.
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Just as our offense got rolling, our defense backpedaled. Our offense gained 433 total yards (336 passing yards and 97 rushing yards) and scored 33 points, which is the most we've scored in a road game since a 35-14 win at Missouri on 10/16/2021. Unfortunately, our defense allowed 451 total yards (374 passing yards and 77 rushing yards) and 41 points, and our special teams allowed a 98-yard kickoff return for another 7 points. The 48 points we surrendered is the most we've allowed since a 52-24 blowout loss at Alabama on 10/3/2020.

As a result, our road woes continued. We have lost 7 consecutive road games, and we could lose all 3 true road SEC games at Tennessee, Ole Miss, and LSU. If that happens, we will carry a 10-game road losing streak into next year.

I hope our defense improves significantly in our first 2 SEC games against Auburn and Arkansas because these two teams do not have explosive offenses. Auburn gained just 230 total yards (94 passing yards and 136 rushing yards), scored just 14 points, and had 4 turnovers (1 interception and 3 fumbles) in a 14-10 win at Cal. Arkansas gained just 308 total yards (136 passing yards and 172 rushing yards) and scored just 21 offensive points (the other 7 points came from a Pick 6) in a 28-6 win over Kent State. That same Kent State defense allowed 723 total yards (334 passing yards and 389 rushing yards) and 56 points to UCF a week earlier.
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shoulder tackles = business decisions
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beerad12man said:

All of that said, it doesn't mean it will be worse over the course of the season. Whether some like him or not, Durkin has shown the ability to be very versatile and do different things. He will adjust, the only real question is, does he know how to adjust to maximize our talent. It remains to be seen, but the potential is there.
Its really hard to know what you have in a group without playing anyone. New Mexico was not a good test at all. I wish our opponent this week was a little better so we could be tested again and that way we know exactly what we can and can't do. I am guessing the DL rotations will be a little different, with at least one true edge guy in at all times and possibly a rolled down safety more often in run support. I would love to see some 50 fronts but that ain't gonna happen.
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Elko got so much more out of the defense with probably less talent. Bottom line, I don't think Durkin or Addazio are getting results. They should've been replaced. It shouldn't take 2-3 years of subpar performance to replace an assistant coach. They are paid extremely well and should get results or be canned. I'd say the same about Jimbo, but unfortunately the buyout is a high hurdle.
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Zoo…come help us throw spaghetti against the wall to see what sticks!

Zoo…we make **** up everyday!!!

Zoo….there is no one in the world as stupid as a Texas A&M Head Coach.

Zoo…if they would hire me as head coach I would work for free, recruit perfectly, clairvoyantly know who is showing up on the transfer portal, and speak humbly and transparently about my own failures and transgressions…
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Aggie Dad Sip said:

I wouldn't panic just yet. Although it doesn't make a lot of sense to us amateur analysts, I doubt there was much game planning by the staff specifically for Miami. I would imagine Jimbo has been preparing all summer for Auburn. It's the same reason Texas looked like garbage against Rice. Sark was prepping for Alabama.
Really?
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beerad12man said:

A change in philosophy due to personnel being better. We basically relied on our front 4 all night against max protection, and don't have the pure cover guys to do that if we don't get home, which we didn't. I think we overestimated our fronts ability to get pressure, and over-estimated our coverage against them and came in with a poor gameplan that didn't help those DL and DBs out.

Last year, we knew we needed to go bend but don't break with our youth. We were multiple. Yes, the 3-man front HELPED us as I argued with many how much worse things could have been. The Miami game was exhibit A.

We gave different looks. Were multiple. We sacrificed a little in the run game to give numbers on the back end and keep teams off the scoreboard. It was much harder for teams to sustain drives and hit big plays lasat year than it was for Miami with the approach we came in with Saturday night. FYI, our run defense was always going to be bad with that much youth, but our scheme made it worse, all the while making the total defense better. Just go back and watch the LSU game. We played 4-2-5 19 of 33 snaps in the first half. We dropped guys like Sylla/White in a 3-3-5 look 7 times. When it was obvious passing downs, we brought in M Harris/White/Sylla for edge presence. We did none of that against Miami. It was as if we thought we could man up better this year and it bit us in the ass. Clearly, we can not.

Unlike many on here, I believe Durkin did an okay job in 2022 with the hand he was dealt. Terrible run defense, but total defense and scoring defense was solid, and with the youth we played, those numbers were mostly expected. But Saturday night, he did a horrible job scheming up any kind of help for our DL. Offense was 90% the issue last year. This year, it was basically the exact opposite, where defense was 90% the issue.
Its refreshing to seesomeone in the zoo that knows what they're talking about. They've schemed around our weaknesses before, hopefully they can figure out how to do it again.
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The champions do the basics well, we aren't wrapping up, we aren't giving full effort, we aren't going through the proper reads. Most of this comes down to lack of discipline from poor coaching.

Plus our DC is getting schooled left and right. When Elko was here we clamped down after halftime but now teams know we don't do any adjustments and keep calling the same plays. If I were an OC I would love playing us, especially if I was in a contract year.
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beerad12man said:

A change in philosophy due to personnel being better. We basically relied on our front 4 all night against max protection, and don't have the pure cover guys to do that if we don't get home, which we didn't. I think we overestimated our fronts ability to get pressure, and over-estimated our coverage against them and came in with a poor gameplan that didn't help those DL and DBs out.

Last year, we knew we needed to go bend but don't break with our youth. We were multiple. Yes, the 3-man front HELPED us as I argued with many how much worse things could have been. The Miami game was exhibit A.

We gave different looks. Were multiple. We sacrificed a little in the run game to give numbers on the back end and keep teams off the scoreboard. It was much harder for teams to sustain drives and hit big plays lasat year than it was for Miami with the approach we came in with Saturday night. FYI, our run defense was always going to be bad with that much youth, but our scheme made it worse, all the while making the total defense better. Just go back and watch the LSU game. We played 4-2-5 19 of 33 snaps in the first half. We dropped guys like Sylla/White in a 3-3-5 look 7 times. When it was obvious passing downs, we brought in M Harris/White/Sylla for edge presence. We did none of that against Miami. It was as if we thought we could man up better this year and it bit us in the ass. Clearly, we can not.

Unlike many on here, I believe Durkin did an okay job in 2022 with the hand he was dealt. Terrible run defense, but total defense and scoring defense was solid, and with the youth we played, those numbers were mostly expected. But Saturday night, he did a horrible job scheming up any kind of help for our DL. Offense was 90% the issue last year. This year, it was basically the exact opposite, where defense was 90% the issue.
We are unsound vs the run not only by alignment but also by assignment and in addition by personnel


The Run:


Go watch how we play counter in this game vs Miami. The end crashes inside and the DB, that he has playing that extra backer position because he refuses to take one of the 6 DBs off the field, squeezes inside the pullers getting cut off as well and by doing that... cuts off the other backers from scraping over the top.... it's bad .... really bad football and the moment we play someone who runs counter, GF, power, dart, wham, and any other power run concept we are going to get ripped.


When he goes with his hyper-light box he has the Mike backer playing both the A and B gap with no "check" backer helping on the weak side B gap with flow away… that is unsound as unsound can be.


In addition to that since he has the backers 2 gaps they are always slow to fill, which is why you see them very often catching guards and not attacking their gap…. Because they have 2 and it's a guessing game.


Vs tightend and tightend/wing he does an Under front kicking the strength away from the tightend or extra gap… that is fine if you have a Sam backer in a 40 (4-3) front or OLB in a 50 (3-4) front….. It's a problem when you have a safety as that extra defender to the front. Even when he goes to his 4 down front he tends to have DBs playing those extra backer positions (like counter vs Miami). I can say with quite a bit of confidence those DBs aren't doing inside drills regularly and learning how to fit up counter, power, dart, etc. So its unsound because of alignment, assignment, and personnel


The pass:


He loves playing match man when he drops 8 (does it in all looks but this is the biggest problem).... OC's love that... they can use the DBs rules against them to get the match up they want and have plenty of time to let those plays develop. When we play zone it looks like we rarely practice it, the players look lost and look as if they are still using match ques in their drops, which again is bad because the OC will recognize that and use it against them. He voids the middle of the field all the time, because in his Match 3 concept he has no middle zone dropper… his extra zone dropper is the Nickel to the strength.. Which is why crossing routes have been a killer against him both years. In addition to that he always plays man concepts to the weak side which is why the "wheel" route (Back out down the sideline) is always open. He will match the Back with the backer. Good example of this is vs Kiffin who did tightend-wing into the boundary and ran a drag/climb/wheel scheme. The drag picks the backer, the climb "grabs" the safety's attention because his rules in match are to match that route… and now you have the Wheel running free.


He is unsound


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The other teams are better prepared and execute on a higher level. Aggies seem entitled and happy to rest on their recruiting laurels.
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beerad12man said:

petebaker said:

Road game , lack of mental toughness
No, that is not it. I'm not saying we don't lack mental toughness and that we aren't worse on the road in general. I don't know. The season is young. But that is not the reason our defense performed worse. That was probably Durkin's worst coached game from a gameplan standpoint. As much as some hate him, I think they underestimate some of the things he did last year. But no excuses for Saturday. It was bad.


MSU last year was worse. Durkin's problem is if the game plan isn't working he can't make in game adjustments
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fulshearAg96 said:

Aggie Dad Sip said:

I wouldn't panic just yet. Although it doesn't make a lot of sense to us amateur analysts, I doubt there was much game planning by the staff specifically for Miami. I would imagine Jimbo has been preparing all summer for Auburn. It's the same reason Texas looked like garbage against Rice. Sark was prepping for Alabama.
Really?


Surprisingly yes. I was shocked too. I met a guy at a trade show on Monday that played at Notre Dame under Lou Holtz. He said two things that surprised me.

1.They normally only game planned for their marquee matchups since they were not in a conference. Unranked or non-rivalry games didn't qualify.

2. Halftime adjustments happen much less than you'd think. The coaches might spitball for five or 10 minutes about it, but the rest of the time is spent hydrating, making equipment adjustments, checking injuries and hitting the head.
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Whaler said:

Elko got so much more out of the defense with probably less talent. Bottom line, I don't think Durkin or Addazio are getting results. They should've been replaced. It shouldn't take 2-3 years of subpar performance to replace an assistant coach. They are paid extremely well and should get results or be canned. I'd say the same about Jimbo, but unfortunately the buyout is a high hurdle.


Elko got more out of the defense because they were fundamentally sound. I don't know what he did, but his defenses tackled extremely well across the board. His DB units were the best tackling DB units for A&M since the 90's. Fundamentally sound defensive players can make up for when the scheme isn't there for any given week. Neither scheme or fundamentals are there right now.
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Aggie Dad Sip said:

Sterling82 said:

Aggie Dad Sip said:

I wouldn't panic just yet. Although it doesn't make a lot of sense to us amateur analysts, I doubt there was much game planning by the staff specifically for Miami. I would imagine Jimbo has been preparing all summer for Auburn. It's the same reason Texas looked like garbage against Rice. Sark was prepping for Alabama.

If they didn't game plan at maximum levels for this game, which was crucial to the season, Fisher or Durkin, or both, should be fired on the spot. They basically had 2 weeks to prepare.


I'm sure we would all prefer that, but I would guess that he would rather be 2-1 at worst going into the Auburn-Arkansas-Alabama-Tennessee gauntlet and be fully prepared for those games, than 3-0 against Miami and two cupcakes, but having wasted valuable preparation time on a non-conference opponent.

Unfortunately with the rules the way they are, there's only so much time in the season to get your real work done, and that's not enough time to fully prep for your eight conference games, much less three JV teams and a team that won't really hurt you in the long run if you lose.
Congrats.You've come up w/one of the absolute worst attempts to excuse an embarrassing beat down of a loss ever to have been farted out on TexAgs.

Jimbo was too busy game planing a week 4 game against a 1st year coach to create a legit plan for Miami in week 2? Really? Good lord you probably believe the "alien" corpses shown in Mexico were real too.
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Let's not forget the absence of Terry Price, who I'm sure did a hell of a lot more than BBQ. Maybe urkin leaned on him a lot more than we realize, not to mention his mentoring of Robinson.
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Dr RC said:

Aggie Dad Sip said:

Sterling82 said:

Aggie Dad Sip said:

I wouldn't panic just yet. Although it doesn't make a lot of sense to us amateur analysts, I doubt there was much game planning by the staff specifically for Miami. I would imagine Jimbo has been preparing all summer for Auburn. It's the same reason Texas looked like garbage against Rice. Sark was prepping for Alabama.

If they didn't game plan at maximum levels for this game, which was crucial to the season, Fisher or Durkin, or both, should be fired on the spot. They basically had 2 weeks to prepare.


I'm sure we would all prefer that, but I would guess that he would rather be 2-1 at worst going into the Auburn-Arkansas-Alabama-Tennessee gauntlet and be fully prepared for those games, than 3-0 against Miami and two cupcakes, but having wasted valuable preparation time on a non-conference opponent.

Unfortunately with the rules the way they are, there's only so much time in the season to get your real work done, and that's not enough time to fully prep for your eight conference games, much less three JV teams and a team that won't really hurt you in the long run if you lose.
Congrats.You've come up w/one of the absolute worst attempts to excuse an embarrassing beat down of a loss ever to have been farted out on TexAgs.

Jimbo was too busy game planing a week 4 game against a 1st year coach to create a legit plan for Miami in week 2? Really? Good lord you probably believe the "alien" corpses shown in Mexico were real too.


If you hated that take, read my last post on the buyout thread…
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OP, I said it for many, many months that Miami was drastically improved on both sides of the ball in the trenches and it showed. But we ran a defense to help slow the run game and did well at that with only allowing 77 yards to a good running team but with the D we game planned and executed, it stopped the run but since we didn't get much pass rush, Van Dyke had all day and sooner or later even 5*, elite DBs are going to lose coverage. Add to the fact that we had some big losses in the secondary both numbers, totaling 8 DBs leaving for NFL or transfer and the impact of 2 of them for sure with Jaylon Jones and Antonio Johnson and none of that is good for the passing game they showed us. They lit us up. I think Jayvon Thomas is gonna be an absolute stud and I am hopeful that when Grimes is 100%, that helps as well but only time will tell.
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Durkin is just doing Durkin. But I have to be careful here. I had other posters writing me book length messages explaining how great Durkin's defense was last year and that we just are not executing . Can't imagine where they got that from.

Durkins 6-7 defensive back philosophy - bend and break - that is highlighted by 180 lb. DB's making first contact with grown men 3 yards before the first down marker will never win championships.

I used to watch a southwest conference team dominate opponents while on defense with blitz after blitz and consistent 3 and outs.

Now I watch 4 - 300 pounders hold their ground and do decent while 5-7 defensive backs play zone and wait to see which guy catches the ball or runs the ball for a 7 yard gain and then the 7 db's will go after him. If we are playing man in the secondary we play it like zone, keep the receiver in front of you and tackle him after he catches it, seems to be the current philosophy.


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