Just as long as Jimbo doesn't hop on back of motorcycles with Daddy P.

It depends on how many offensive players we have who "should be back from injury next week" eight weeks in a row. Jimbo's teams are never healthy, and he screws around with personnel rotations way too much when it isn't needed. Both of those things will kill what should otherwise be a good offense if they continue.

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It depends on how many offensive players we have who "should be back from injury next week" eight weeks in a row. Jimbo's teams are never healthy, and he screws around with personnel rotations way too much when it isn't needed. Both of those things will kill what should otherwise be a good offense if they continue.

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You would think he'd never done one damn good thing to deserve getting paid what he does if you read the fan and media lamentations.

We are now in the acceptance stage of grieving.

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It depends on how many offensive players we have who "should be back from injury next week" eight weeks in a row. Jimbo's teams are never healthy, and he screws around with personnel rotations way too much when it isn't needed. Both of those things will kill what should otherwise be a good offense if they continue.

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You would think he'd never done one damn good thing to deserve getting paid what he does if you read the fan and media lamentations.

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People who make those decisions have been wrong before and made bad decisions. Him simply being paid that doesn't absolutely mean the production behind it will be absolute as evidenced by his production in year 5 of a deal that was extended.

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It depends on how many offensive players we have who "should be back from injury next week" eight weeks in a row. Jimbo's teams are never healthy, and he screws around with personnel rotations way too much when it isn't needed. Both of those things will kill what should otherwise be a good offense if they continue.

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You would think he'd never done one damn good thing to deserve getting paid what he does if you read the fan and media lamentations.

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People who make those decisions have been wrong before and made bad decisions. Him simply being paid that doesn't absolutely mean the production behind it will be absolute as evidenced by his production in year 5 of a deal that was extended.

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He got paid what he's paid because of a skin and 2020. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

The deal he originally received was what it took to get him. The post-2020 extension recognized THE BEST OUTCOME SINCE 1939.

The carping here is a combination of jealousy and control issues. The media carps to cause people to listen and read so they can sell eyeballs and ear lobes. None of it is truth. It barely is opinion. More like mob delusion.

Now does Jimbo have to produce more? If he wants another extension, yes. But thinking he isn't a competitor and isn't driven to solve the issues is hogwash.

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It depends on how many offensive players we have who "should be back from injury next week" eight weeks in a row. Jimbo's teams are never healthy, and he screws around with personnel rotations way too much when it isn't needed. Both of those things will kill what should otherwise be a good offense if they continue.

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You would think he'd never done one damn good thing to deserve getting paid what he does if you read the fan and media lamentations.

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People who make those decisions have been wrong before and made bad decisions. Him simply being paid that doesn't absolutely mean the production behind it will be absolute as evidenced by his production in year 5 of a deal that was extended.

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He got paid what he's paid because of a skin and 2020. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

The deal he originally received was what it took to get him. The post-2020 extension recognized THE BEST OUTCOME SINCE 1939.

The carping here is a combination of jealousy and control issues. The media carps to cause people to listen and read so they can sell eyeballs and ear lobes. None of it is truth. It barely is opinion. More like mob delusion.

Now does Jimbo have to produce more? If he wants another extension, yes. But thinking he isn't a competitor and isn't driven to solve the issues is hogwash.

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What pipe and what am I smoking? If you've got one anomaly season out of 5 while declining in the previous 3 as a gotcha, news flash that isn't some gotcha. He was paid on the front end to have an outcome like 1939 hence the future dated NC plaque and not meaningless bowl game plaques. The media acknowledges facts about Jimbo and all coaches honestly. It's fans who can't handle reality and think the media is picking on him. Jimbo went 5-7 in year 5 with a home loss to a G6 school after coming into season ranked #6. The media hasn't been as hard as they should on Jimbos failures at AnM. It's all truth when reporting the facts, and they also give there subjective opinions. Billy picked last years team to win 10 plus games and go to an SEC title game. Is he a liar for being so wrong and off.

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It depends on how many offensive players we have who "should be back from injury next week" eight weeks in a row. Jimbo's teams are never healthy, and he screws around with personnel rotations way too much when it isn't needed. Both of those things will kill what should otherwise be a good offense if they continue.

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You would think he'd never done one damn good thing to deserve getting paid what he does if you read the fan and media lamentations.

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People who make those decisions have been wrong before and made bad decisions. Him simply being paid that doesn't absolutely mean the production behind it will be absolute as evidenced by his production in year 5 of a deal that was extended.

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He got paid what he's paid because of a skin and 2020. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

The deal he originally received was what it took to get him. The post-2020 extension recognized THE BEST OUTCOME SINCE 1939.

The carping here is a combination of jealousy and control issues. The media carps to cause people to listen and read so they can sell eyeballs and ear lobes. None of it is truth. It barely is opinion. More like mob delusion.

Now does Jimbo have to produce more? If he wants another extension, yes. But thinking he isn't a competitor and isn't driven to solve the issues is hogwash.

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What pipe and what am I smoking? If you've got one anomaly season out of 5 while declining in the previous 3 as a gotcha, news flash that isn't some gotcha. He was paid on the front end to have an outcome like 1939 hence the future dated NC plaque and not meaningless bowl game plaques. The media acknowledges facts about Jimbo and all coaches honestly. It's fans who can't handle reality and think the media is picking on him. Jimbo went 5-7 in year 5 with a home loss to a G6 school after coming into season ranked #6. The media hasn't been as hard as they should on Jimbos failures at AnM. It's all truth when reporting the facts, and they also give their subjective opinions. Billy picked last years team to win 10 plus games and go to an SEC title game. Is he a liar for being so wrong and off.

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Your pipe of hallucinogens. This will clear your thinking and might help you with your control issues. You can't change anything without bringing a truckload of money. I'm guessing you don't even have a thimble full…

Hard for me to find anything in that conversation that I disagree with. My personal opinion is that Petrino didn't accept this job to to be a pawn/puppet or be told what to do. He's been through enough to make his wants well known during an interview process, and he wouldn't have taken the job if it was going to be a certain way. There is a lot of talk about Jimbo's ego and arrogance. A lot of people think he's too arrogant to let someone else handle his offense. My thought (hope) is that maybe he's so arrogant and prideful that he won't let himself be the reason this thing fails. If it works out with Petrino, the narrative could be "credit to Jimbo for handling that situation that way when a lot of guys wouldn't". If it doesn't work out, then Jimbo and Petrino are probably both gone.

I have no expectation. I am waiting to see it play out on the field. What I do know is that Jimbo is going to continue to be involved in the offense as they alluded to early in the video, and he should be. Jimbo and Petrino will formulate the game plan throughout the week and pick a few play calls for various critical situations, and Petrino will call plays from that set.

Hopefully we have some success. Can't get much worse.

I'm so glad to see Petrino was the first name mentioned. We know who is gonna be running the show and I couldn't be happier. Jimmy's days are numbered

Despite some rah rahs above, i think if you put Jimbo's entire 5 yr resume down and showed it to someone in 2018, and said thats what we're paying for the next 5 seasons, 90% of Aggies would have said NO. Or, "HELL NO!"

As much as I hate to admit it, the actual results under Fisher are almost exactly the same as under Sumlin.

The ONE difference is that there is a lot more reason for HOPE at this point than there was after Sumlin's 6 years.
But if Fisher doesnt win the Division this year, or finish in top 3 in SEC or make the Playoff next year, I think it will be curtains. And it should be. ANY decent coach with his resources can produce perennial finishes like he has. there's no magic to that.

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The carping here is a combination of jealousy and control issues.

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Wrong on both counts. It is frustration and disappointment, plain and simple.

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Now does Jimbo have to produce more? If he wants another extension, yes. But thinking he isn't a competitor and isn't driven to solve the issues is hogwash.

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You have a penchant for setting up straw men to knock down. I don't think anyone here thinks Fisher is not a competitor or that he isn't driven to solve issues.

He is both, but that has nothing to do with the reason people are disappointed in his performance to date. it is MUCH SIMPLER than that. We haven't won anything.

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Despite some rah rahs above, i think if you put Jimbo's entire 5 yr resume down and showed it to someone in 2018, and said thats what we're paying for the next 5 seasons, 90% of Aggies would have said NO. Or, "HELL NO!"

As much as I hate to admit it, the actual results under Fisher are almost exactly the same as under Sumlin.

The ONE difference is that there is a lot more reason for HOPE at this point than there was after Sumlin's 6 years.
But if Fisher doesnt win the Division this year, or finish in top 3 in SEC or make the Playoff next year, I think it will be curtains. And it should be. ANY decent coach with his resources can produce perennial finishes like he has. there's no magic to that.

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Agreed. I could see him getting to stick around after 8-4 this year, but if we aren't in contention for the SEC in 2024 he'll be shown the door.

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Despite some rah rahs above, i think if you put Jimbo's entire 5 yr resume down and showed it to someone in 2018, and said thats what we're paying for the next 5 seasons, 90% of Aggies would have said NO. Or, "HELL NO!"

As much as I hate to admit it, the actual results under Fisher are almost exactly the same as under Sumlin.

The ONE difference is that there is a lot more reason for HOPE at this point than there was after Sumlin's 6 years.
But if Fisher doesnt win the Division this year, or finish in top 3 in SEC or make the Playoff next year, I think it will be curtains. And it should be. ANY decent coach with his resources can produce perennial finishes like he has. there's no magic to that.

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Agreed. I could see him getting to stick around after 8-4 this year, but if we aren't in contention for the SEC in 2024 he'll be shown the door.

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That's a tough sell based on what AnM reporters have been consistently saying. I'll point to Billy again but he says it's not likely until maybe 1-2 years left on the contract. Obviously if he goes 5-7 again or something of that nature or worse then all bets are off. But Jimbo is going to be here even if he never plays for an SEC championship

You may be right, but I just have a hard time believing the decision makers will continue to settle.

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Despite some rah rahs above, i think if you put Jimbo's entire 5 yr resume down and showed it to someone in 2018, and said thats what we're paying for the next 5 seasons, 90% of Aggies would have said NO. Or, "HELL NO!"

As much as I hate to admit it, the actual results under Fisher are almost exactly the same as under Sumlin.

The ONE difference is that there is a lot more reason for HOPE at this point than there was after Sumlin's 6 years.
But if Fisher doesnt win the Division this year, or finish in top 3 in SEC or make the Playoff next year, I think it will be curtains. And it should be. ANY decent coach with his resources can produce perennial finishes like he has. there's no magic to that.

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You're in for a surprise, one way or the other.

If Jimbo did not cut a mult-year deal with Petrino, he deserves to be fired.

I really hope so. I went to school from 1991-1996 and loved the Wrecking Crew and the defensive football we put out. Sumlin, Kingsberry, and JFF really changed that in 2012.

These guys are right. We have a Soph QB, some really good young rb's, and a OL that should start to show what they are made of this year. Having Foster out last year was tough with such a young OL. 9-10 wins is ok in my book. Top 10-15 offense in nation is attainable.

The biggest wildcard in our team is our defense. We know they are going to be pretty good. But how much will they improve from last year to this year? I'd say a top 10-15 offense + top 10-15 defense will be pretty hard to keep us out of SECW contention. We'll see.....

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If Jimbo did not cut a mult-year deal with Petrino, he deserves to be fired.

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Petrino does?!?

We all know what's gonna happen. We know it cause we is it.

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If Jimbo did not cut a mult-year deal with Petrino, he deserves to be fired.

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Even if he did it wouldn't mean anything. Contracts aren't worth the paper they are written on these days. It would just be a buyout or forfeiture of some portion of the salary depending on how it needed to go.

I don't think Bobby P unlocks a good head coaching job after one year. Saban usually takes two years in his coaching rehab program. My guess is we have Bobby P at least two years.

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If Jimbo did not cut a mult-year deal with Petrino, he deserves to be fired.

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If Patrino is successful, he is going to get a big HC job and he is going to take it and that's fine.

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If Jimbo did not cut a mult-year deal with Petrino, he deserves to be fired.

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If Patrino is successful, he is going to get a big HC job and he is going to take it and that's fine.

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Petrino doesn't stay anywhere for very long. Maybe he needed some money, and we have a reputation for paying coaches a lot of money.

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You may be right, but I just have a hard time believing the decision makers will continue to settle.

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The painful truth is that A&M gave Jimbo the most ridiculously one-sided contract in the history of big time college and pro sports. The Ags could go 0-12 this season and the buyout is still $77,000,000 plus the cost of a new head coach and staff. Are the BMDs gonna cough up $100M to correct that mistake?

Most assistant coaches don't stay in one place very long.

I watched this video, and I agree with everything they discussed. As they alluded to in the beginning of the video, Jimbo Fisher will continue to be involved in the offense. Jimbo Fisher and Bobby Petrino will prepare game plans during the week, and Bobby Petrino will call plays from that set. I hope the Fisher/Petrino combination will become at least a good offense to sustain scoring drives and keep our defense rested.

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You may be right, but I just have a hard time believing the decision makers will continue to settle.

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The painful truth is that A&M gave Jimbo the most ridiculously one-sided contract in the history of big time college and pro sports. The Ags could go 0-12 this season and the buyout is still $77,000,000 plus the cost of a new head coach and staff. Are the BMDs gonna cough up $100M to correct that mistake?

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It all depends, I understand it was clearly hyperbole but at 0-12, we would have to move on no matter how painful the financial hit because the recruiting hit would set us back for several years

I do think soon we will have to show it on the field ( ie be better than 8-4) in order to sustain recruiting momentum

I think Petrino wants another HC job and having 2 successful years here will put him in a better place than when he arrived.

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I think Petrino wants another HC job and having 2 successful years here will put him in a better place than when he arrived.

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This is where my head is at. He's highly motivated to make a splash with this team. Two good years of top 10 results and league leading offensive production will easily allow him to parlay that back into a HC gig with a good school. We all know if the offense performs all accolades will go to him.

Edit: I also think that while most people (and correctly) say Petrino is a strong character and won't take sht from Jimbo and do what he wants, I also think to get another HC job he has to display that he is a team guy, amicable, and is a positive in the leadership dynamics. I suspect he will be on his best behavior.

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If Jimbo did not cut a mult-year deal with Petrino, he deserves to be fired.

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Lol he literally lasted at unlv for 3 weeks. He's here 2 years max because he either wins and gets a hc job, or is meh and staff is all gone.

It's probably 50/50 already if he's back next year with how he works

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You may be right, but I just have a hard time believing the decision makers will continue to settle.

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The painful truth is that A&M gave Jimbo the most ridiculously one-sided contract in the history of big time college and pro sports. The Ags could go 0-12 this season and the buyout is still $77,000,000 plus the cost of a new head coach and staff. Are the BMDs gonna cough up $100M to correct that mistake?

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I'm pretty sure it's not a one-time payout, but can be spread out over the remainder of the deal. At least that's what I've heard. If that's the case, then yes I think they'd do that.

You know hiring Petrino provides political cover to Sharp to not pay for firing Jimbo, right? And ESPN and the fans demanded that…

Following up on this thread. Did Petrino and Fisher actually end up getting married? If so, that's gross.