Aggie87 said:
Kellso said:
beerad12man said:
Kellso said:
pacmanj said:
After watching I walked away realizing why we didn't win a championship with him. He was very talented and could do essentially anything he wanted to on the field, but he gave zero effort apart from game days. We were never going to win a championship with Johnny.
A team is ultimately a reflection of their leader....and the 2012 and 2013 A&M football teams were exactly like Johnny Football.
Really good.....but not quite good enough. Not good enough to be a 1st place team. Not good enough to build a winning foundation that the program would continue to build off of like Ricky Williams or RGIII.
Cue the excuses that blames the 2012 and 13 teams failure to make it to Atlanta on the field goal kicker, or the defense.
2012 wasn't even close to a poorly led team. By years end, they were either the best or 2nd best team in the country. He was a RFR who got beat twice early on. This team is the prime reason why a 12-team playoff can change things. They would have had a very real shot at winning it all in that scenario. Yes, Johnny threw 3 picks against LSU and was a big part of the reason we lost that game. But after LSU, that team was nearly unbeatable.
2013 had zero chance regardless of QB. That was a god awful defense. Talent was depleted. No experience. By the bowl game, had about 5 true fish starting. And not 2022, five star fish. I'm talking a lot of 3 star FR.
You can't seriously say with a straight face that your QB who was 3rd in passer rating, 3rd in touchdowns, 2nd in total offense, was the mean reason when your defense was last in the sec.
JFF was the James Harden of College football.
Harden is a fantastic talent, and one of the most talented shooting guards in NBA History. League MVP and all that.....but at the end of day Harden is not someone that has ever been considered a championship caliber player.
I put Manziel in that same class.
Both were tremendous talents...but the nightlife and the fame limited both of them when it mattered the most.
I don't think that's a good comparison at all. Harden is a 10x NBA Allstar, was the MVP of the league in 2018, is a 3 time NBA scoring champion, and a 2 time NBA assists leader. And he's on the NBA 75th Anniversary team. He's not a flawless player though, isn't the greatest defender, and has come up short in the playoffs. And he seems to realize his window is starting to close, and wants to land on a team that can get to the Finals, so he gives up on teams very quickly these past couple of years.
But Manziel has never come close to Harden's professional accomplishments. He never cared to take anything seriously once he escaped the structure of college. He really didn't even take college football seriously, and just winged it all the way through his 2 seasons at A&M. He got by on his raw talent more than his effort, desire to learn and perform the team's playbook. There's really no comparison in attitude or effort between Harden & Manziel.
I don't really disagree with anything you said in your rebuttal....that is why I was very clear to state that JFF was the James Harden
of college football......Manziel pro career doesn't come close to touching James Harden, but that doesn't mean he didn't have a similar impact on his college team.
James Harden is a fantastic offensive player, but how much better would he be if he wasn't out partying and blowing tons of money in the gentleman's club?
How much better would James Harden be if he had a physique like Kawai Leonard or Michael Jordan?
Who do you think has a better diet? Steph Curry or Harden?
These are the little things and the intangibles that separate the really good from the all time greats. Harden's lack of a strict diet factors into why he isn't a great defensive player.
This also factors into some of his subpar post season performances.
