The #Pac12 in more trouble than we originally though and members have been sandbagged by Kliakoff, who led them to believe they would get as much or more than the #Big12. Looks like their deal with Amazon around $300 million (just $30 million per team). Worse yet, who...

— GREG SWAIM (@GSwaim) January 31, 2023

That's not good.

wow. Horrible deal for the pac.

their games will basically go unwatched outside of the few fans out west who would purchase the amazon service for those games.

even people who already have a prime membership are not likely to go switching it on just to see pac12 football when they have to switch off whatever service they are using to watch all the rest of the college football games just to switch it on.

pac football was already falling out of viewership everywhere else. It's going to get worse now.

I did a little informal survey and found myself to have a serious lack of interest in watching the PAC. I also discovered that they can't get people to show up for games (outside of Oregon) as evidenced by the completely empty stadiums where they play their games. All this despite some of the games being very exciting, like the PAC champ game.

Based on these results, I have concluded that it's not a surprise that a package to watch this on TV in the middle of the night on the east coast or the crack of dawn on the west coast is not in high demand. I blame the curvature of the earth and it's rotation.

NyAggie said:

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wow. Horrible deal for the pac.

their games will basically go unwatched outside of the few fans out west who would purchase the amazon service for those games.

even people who already have a prime membership are not likely to go switching it on just to see pac12 football when they have to switch off whatever service they are using to watch all the rest of the college football games just to switch it on.

pac football was already falling out of viewership everywhere else. It's going to get worse now.

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I don't care if it's on ESPN in primetime, I'm not going to watch Cal vs Wazzu with all the other options available.

The problem is, and will continue to be their overall brand. Especially when Washington and Oregon bolt to the B1G as well. Utah should join the Big 12 and Colorado should go back as well.

There was a reason when Stanford rebuilt their stadium in 2013, they shrunk their capacity from 85K to 50K.

akm91 said:

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There was a reason when Stanford rebuilt their stadium in 2013, they shrunk their capacity from 85K to 50K.

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They have to get a new tarp now?!?

It's cultural. College football isn't part of their culture. It isn't a big social event out there.

Ag Tag said:

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It's cultural. College football isn't part of their culture. It isn't a big social event out there.

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Exactly. It's almost embarrassing. I lived in SF (and SoCal before that) until recently and no one cares one lick about college football. NFL? Absolutely. Even nba. Hell, there was more soccer on tvs in bars than college football (stupid hipsters). Probably more sec fans in San Francisco than pac fans in the entire state of California. Maybe an exaggeration, but I'm not sure it actually is…

Damn. What the hell am I gonna watch at midnight on Saturdays in the fall?

Ag Tag said:

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It's cultural. College football isn't part of their culture. It isn't a big social event out there.

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College football is masculinity which is bad.
Sorry I meant toxic masculinity. Same thing

WoMD said:

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Ag Tag said:

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It's cultural. College football isn't part of their culture. It isn't a big social event out there.

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Exactly. It's almost embarrassing. I lived in SF (and SoCal before that) until recently and no one cares one lick about college football. NFL? Absolutely. Even nba. Hell, there was more soccer on tvs in bars than college football (stupid hipsters). Probably more sec fans in San Francisco than pac fans in the entire state of California. Maybe an exaggeration, but I'm not sure it actually is…

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I was stationed in Monterey and last minute decided to make the short drive up to Palo Alto to watch a game. Since I didn't have a ticket, I stoped at the first gate to ask where the ticket window was to go get one, the guy at the gate said to just come in and sit anywhere

why did Amazon offer $300 MM?

probably could have gotten the deal for $200 MM or less

If this thing goes down to 4 super conferences.......they aren't guaranteed entry, IMO. They will have to battle with the Big12 to be #4.....might have to merge and play "Sophie's Choice" with some teams.

WoMD said:

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Ag Tag said:

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It's cultural. College football isn't part of their culture. It isn't a big social event out there.

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Exactly. It's almost embarrassing. I lived in SF (and SoCal before that) until recently and no one cares one lick about college football. NFL? Absolutely. Even nba. Hell, there was more soccer on tvs in bars than college football (stupid hipsters). Probably more sec fans in San Francisco than pac fans in the entire state of California. Maybe an exaggeration, but I'm not sure it actually is…

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I live in SoCal (San Diego) ... aside from USC, there aren't many local fans following college ball ... with exception to transplants like myself. UCLA has a pretty abysmal following, arguably rivaled by SDSU.

Few Oregon Fans and ASU fans ... other than that ... nada mucho from PAC12 in SoCal.

Ohio State, Michigan, top 5-6 SEC schools have more of a following here. I think (could be wrong) there is more A&M game viewership in SoCal than UCLA. Most here have the attitude that there is so much more to do than watch football on a Saturday. (which is why I record most games and watch delayed )

SDSU --- Going to be faced with an interesting decision ... Join Pac-12 or mega conference Big XII. IMO, the PAC12 has no choice but to try and fill the void with SDSU. Sounds like SDSU might be doing a little leveraging/posturing.

I'd LOVE to see the PAC12 wither and die in a slow/prolonged decline.

Bunk Moreland said:

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NyAggie said:

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wow. Horrible deal for the pac.

their games will basically go unwatched outside of the few fans out west who would purchase the amazon service for those games.

even people who already have a prime membership are not likely to go switching it on just to see pac12 football when they have to switch off whatever service they are using to watch all the rest of the college football games just to switch it on.

pac football was already falling out of viewership everywhere else. It's going to get worse now.

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I don't care if it's on ESPN in primetime, I'm not going to watch Cal vs Wazzu with all the other options available.

The problem is, and will continue to be their overall brand. Especially when Washington and Oregon bolt to the B1G as well. Utah should join the Big 12 and Colorado should go back as well.

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I have no interest in PAC football, but I really could have said the same about ACC and B12.

There is a monumental gap between the SEC and 3 of the P5 conferences, but of those 3, the ACC has Clemson and could claim Notre Dame as a frequent opponent, future member possibly. The PAC and B12 need to strongly look at working together. They will not merge as long as they are each guaranteed 1 playoff berth, nor will either want to give up any power.

it is amazing looking back 12 years...when Larry Scott was almost unanimously hailed in the media and by university administrators as "brilliant" and "genius" and "ahead of his time" and so forth when the Pac-12 first expanded and everything

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it is amazing looking back 12 years...when Larry Scott was almost unanimously hailed in the media and by university administrators as "brilliant" and "genius" and "ahead of his time" and so forth when the Pac-12 first expanded and everything

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If you go back far enough Scott almost built the first CFB super conference by raiding the B12 for the best parts. He probably would have succeeded if not for hubris of horn and ESPN. Goes to show you the fine line between genius and total moron.

I can remember a time in the late 90's where ucla was a massive draw and people would watch. Granted, those games were on abc not whatever they're on now.

I am from Fremont, California, I have noticed that the vast majority of them do not follow college football or college sports for that matter. They are much more interested in NFL, NBA, MLB, and NHL. There are 15 teams across those leagues in California.

NFL (3): San Francisco 49ers, Los Angeles Rams, and Los Angles Chargers

NBA (4): Golden State Warriors, Sacramento Kings, Los Angeles Clippers, and Los Angeles Lakers

MLB (5): Oakland Athletics, San Francisco Giants, Anaheim Angels, Los Angeles Dodgers, and San Diego Padres

NHL (3): San Jose Sharks, Anaheim Angels, and Los Angeles Kings

DallasAg 94 said:

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This is from July 2022:



Let those numbers sink in and you see why OU/Sips/UCLA/USC bolted.

Then consider attendance revenue and the impact.

Attendance (2019):
SEC: 72,723
B1G: 65,065
BXII: 57,467
ACC: 48,243
Pac12: 46,080

07. Sips: 96,306
13. OU: 83,256
23. USCw: 59,358
?. UCLA: 43,849

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My favorite part is that ND is supposedly going to sign a deal worth around $60M per year. If someone said thirty years ago that the market would pay Mississippi St. about the the same as ND per year you would have been laughed out of the building. This shows you the power of the SEC.

They lost their big money teams and validated the strategies of teams like Texas A&M maximizing for revenue over traditional rivals, traditions, and pageantry.

Only time I'd watch a Pac-10 game was when Leach was at WSU.

Would never pass up the chance to watch Leach ass rape somebody other than Tamu.

45-70Ag said:

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The #Pac12 in more trouble than we originally though and members have been sandbagged by Kliakoff, who led them to believe they would get as much or more than the #Big12. Looks like their deal with Amazon around $300 million (just $30 million per team). Worse yet, who...

— GREG SWAIM (@GSwaim) January 31, 2023

That's not good.

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Who is that guy?

I think Swaim is an Okie State "insider"

Angry Beaver said:

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45-70Ag said:

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The #Pac12 in more trouble than we originally though and members have been sandbagged by Kliakoff, who led them to believe they would get as much or more than the #Big12. Looks like their deal with Amazon around $300 million (just $30 million per team). Worse yet, who...

— GREG SWAIM (@GSwaim) January 31, 2023

That's not good.

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Who is that guy?

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Greg Swaim, duh.

Oregon has a decent percentage of fans but the population is small. Beaver and duck games still have the old college football vibe. Reminds me of ags in 90s. Sort of refreshing throwback.

rootube said:

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DallasAg 94 said:

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This is from July 2022:



Let those numbers sink in and you see why OU/Sips/UCLA/USC bolted.

Then consider attendance revenue and the impact.

Attendance (2019):
SEC: 72,723
B1G: 65,065
BXII: 57,467
ACC: 48,243
Pac12: 46,080

07. Sips: 96,306
13. OU: 83,256
23. USCw: 59,358
?. UCLA: 43,849

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My favorite part is that ND is supposedly going to sign a deal worth around $60M per year. If someone said thirty years ago that the market would pay Mississippi St. about the the same as ND per year you would have been laughed out of the building. This shows you the power of the SEC.

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The market isn't really paying that much for Mississippi State. They are paying big for Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, Texas, Tennessee, Oklahoma, us, etc., and Mississippi State is part of a package deal. The SEC chooses to take that package deal money and spread it evenly. Probably overall good, but don't think Mississippi State is worth anywhere near Notre Dame.

TexAggie1999 said:

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rootube said:

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DallasAg 94 said:

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This is from July 2022:



Let those numbers sink in and you see why OU/Sips/UCLA/USC bolted.

Then consider attendance revenue and the impact.

Attendance (2019):
SEC: 72,723
B1G: 65,065
BXII: 57,467
ACC: 48,243
Pac12: 46,080

07. Sips: 96,306
13. OU: 83,256
23. USCw: 59,358
?. UCLA: 43,849

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My favorite part is that ND is supposedly going to sign a deal worth around $60M per year. If someone said thirty years ago that the market would pay Mississippi St. about the the same as ND per year you would have been laughed out of the building. This shows you the power of the SEC.

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The market isn't really paying that much for Mississippi State. They are paying big for Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, Texas, Tennessee, Oklahoma, us, etc., and Mississippi State is part of a package deal. The SEC chooses to take that package deal money and spread it evenly. Probably overall good, but don't think Mississippi State is worth anywhere near Notre Dame.

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Isn't that kind of his point? He says the power of the SEC pays Mississippi St as much as Notre Dame. Kind of feels like he was inferring it was because Notre Dame was worth more, no?

TexAggie1999 said:

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rootube said:

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DallasAg 94 said:

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This is from July 2022:



Let those numbers sink in and you see why OU/Sips/UCLA/USC bolted.

Then consider attendance revenue and the impact.

Attendance (2019):
SEC: 72,723
B1G: 65,065
BXII: 57,467
ACC: 48,243
Pac12: 46,080

07. Sips: 96,306
13. OU: 83,256
23. USCw: 59,358
?. UCLA: 43,849

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My favorite part is that ND is supposedly going to sign a deal worth around $60M per year. If someone said thirty years ago that the market would pay Mississippi St. about the the same as ND per year you would have been laughed out of the building. This shows you the power of the SEC.

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The market isn't really paying that much for Mississippi State. They are paying big for Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, Texas, Tennessee, Oklahoma, us, etc., and Mississippi State is part of a package deal. The SEC chooses to take that package deal money and spread it evenly. Probably overall good, but don't think Mississippi State is worth anywhere near Notre Dame.

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Nobody said MSU was worth as much as ND, but rather, MSU is getting paid as much as ND. That's the unusual thing about sports; it's a business, but the product that you are selling is competition, which means that your product, standing alone, has no real value. The competition that the SEC provides, as a package, means that MSU's pro rata share of that package is worth more than what ND gets for selling it's home games plus the small amount it receives from the ACC, because the product provided is better.

So the Big 12 schools are still set to make > $50 million per year after Texas and OU depart? What could possibly justify that?

twk said:

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TexAggie1999 said:

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rootube said:

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DallasAg 94 said:

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This is from July 2022:



Let those numbers sink in and you see why OU/Sips/UCLA/USC bolted.

Then consider attendance revenue and the impact.

Attendance (2019):
SEC: 72,723
B1G: 65,065
BXII: 57,467
ACC: 48,243
Pac12: 46,080

07. Sips: 96,306
13. OU: 83,256
23. USCw: 59,358
?. UCLA: 43,849

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My favorite part is that ND is supposedly going to sign a deal worth around $60M per year. If someone said thirty years ago that the market would pay Mississippi St. about the the same as ND per year you would have been laughed out of the building. This shows you the power of the SEC.

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The market isn't really paying that much for Mississippi State. They are paying big for Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, Texas, Tennessee, Oklahoma, us, etc., and Mississippi State is part of a package deal. The SEC chooses to take that package deal money and spread it evenly. Probably overall good, but don't think Mississippi State is worth anywhere near Notre Dame.

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Nobody said MSU was worth as much as ND, but rather, MSU is getting paid as much as ND. That's the unusual thing about sports; it's a business, but the product that you are selling is competition, which means that your product, standing alone, has no real value. The competition that the SEC provides, as a package, means that MSU's pro rata share of that package is worth more than what ND gets for selling it's home games plus the small amount it receives from the ACC, because the product provided is better.

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Wait till Fexas cums in and tucks it up

An article about pac 12 media rights turns into an argument over Mississippi state and Notre dame.