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maroonthrunthru
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Sorry for the length…

Had a conversation with a friend this weekend, and he had some interesting thoughts regarding the future direction of big-time college FB and Men's BB…

Non-Rev sports weren't discussed…

Actually pretty radical, but well thought out…

His premise is that the "cows have already left the barn" with regards to "amateur status" and "student-athletes" of big time CFB and Men's BB…

The recent National Labor Relations Board ruling regarding athlete employee status is foreboding…

His concept could insulate the U's from the ENORMOUS costs and potential injury liability that is on the horizon…

These costs would CRATER CFB as we know it..

He says CFB is quickly becoming (if not already) a paid PRE-NFL minor league, with less than optimal emphasis actually placed on a legit college education..

He believes the REQUIREMENT to matriculate at the same U where you play football or bb goes against the BS college narrative that "it's about the student-athlete's education".

Here's why…

Most elite athletes (especially those from lower-income families) have been told since Junior High that they are going to be big-time NFL or NBA stars…

That constant drum-beat CLOUDS their perception of the value of the college education…

In their mind, it's all about their future pro career… Where the life-changing money is…

Some make it, most don't….

If you think that elite HS athletes value their future college education on any comparable level to their potential pro career, you'd be wrong in most all cases.

They truly are kids with kids' outlooks… I know… I was once there myself… My Dad and Mom had to beat the - "Im gonna be the next Jerry West" outta my head…

Using football as an example…

The ability to get a quality education while honing your football skills was always the promise of the scholarship aspect of College Football.. Until it wasn't…

It started with the schools…
To make their football teams better, somewhere along the way, schollies became one-year offerings, renewable each year by the coaches…. Not 4 year commitments that weren't dependent on your athletic production…

This became the first "break" in the dam…

Then along comes NIL… And the unrestricted one-time Transfer Portal…

What we have TODAY is essentially a Football Entity (affiliated and operating under the auspices of a U) that is that Paid "Pre NFL" league for the larger U's, with some of the athletes actually matriculating along normal degree paths…

And that is working AGAINST the educational narrative that Colleges claim they're all about. Working against the "student" part of the student-athlete…

And it's gonna come back to bite them, if nothing changes…

Here is his premise…

FORMALLY separate the Athletic Entity of a U from the Educational Entity of the U.

The Football and MBB programs would be funded by the U's with 4 year schollies, donated in equal numbers by all the participating schools…

Everything else is funded by donations and private money - as it pretty much is today…

Require athletes to matriculate at an accredited U (or a selection of specific universities - D1 schools, as an example) towards a legit degree, but don't REQUIRE them to matriculate at the U they play for…

Each school has a limit of schollies they can offer athletes - as it is today…

As a matter of course, most athletes will probably want to attend school where they play, but they don't have to.

If a player chooses to matriculate at Stanford, and play at A&M, A&M has to pay Stanford a fixed fee for the education (if there's one in Stanford's allotment available and the student can meet the academic requirements) and vice-versa… same fixed fee..

This solves a couple of challenges…

This plan "checks the box" for the EDUCATION crowd. The student's schooling is completely separated from his athletic choice.

The more "education conscious" U's don't have to "dumb down" their curriculum for athletics.

Those "student-athletes" who actually give a crap about their education, can choose their athletic team AND their chosen school…

Play for the A&M Athletic Entity and go to school at Wisconsin, Texas, Stanford or any other D-1 school you qualify for…. And vice-versa…

Play for the Wiscy athletic entity and matriculate at Texas Tech. Good deal for the individuals and the school.

The school Athletic Entity you play for pays the cost for your education - at an agreed upon fixed rate for all schools.

You want to be a big-time athletic entity, you can…

You want to maintain the value of your education, by not dumbing-down your curriculum, you can.

This way, athletes can "Hit the portal" and transfer their football team without having to mess with their education progress (We live in an online education world)…

They can also change educational entities without having to change their athletic entity…

Those athletes who are more interested in their potential pro career than their potential education can use NIL and the portal to their advantage, and still be able to matriculate in a responsible fashion, should they choose.

This method takes the hypocrisy out of the "student-athlete" conundrum.

The Athletic entity pays a "rental income" to the U for all the facilities / training table, etc… But the players are EMPLOYEES of the athletic entity.

Keeps the NLRB happy… U's maintain non-profit status…Everyone wins…

I'm sure there are things that he didn't think through… but I think this is the future…
TokinAg
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Agreed, it's long... TLDR.
JPK89
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TLDR version?
maroonthrunthru
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Reading is FUN - damental…
MarathonAg12
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maroonthrunthru
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Looks like an accurate picture of you Marathon…
12thMan9
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I have no ****ing clue what I'm talking about but I'm going to try.
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Sumlins Pool Guy
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Wouldn't read again
Jugstore Cowboy
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Is this an open letter to Bill Byrne?
WC94
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Page 1 TLDR.
Crocker
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74, the number of ellipsis used instead of punctuation.
NavyVetAg
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Long? Not what she said…

IMHO, CFB is quickly becoming as unwatchable as the NFL. CFP and NIL have accelerated that process.

I member watching almost all the bowls every year. Now the only one I watch is the one Aggies are in because it means something to me. All the other bowls are about as entertaining and meaningful as the spring games.
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Crocker said:

74, the number of ellipsis used instead of punctuation.

Nice...
spherical
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i don't understand- were you taking notes while having a casual conversation with a friend?
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maroonthrunthru said:

Sorry for the length…

Had a conversation with a friend this weekend, and he had some interesting thoughts regarding the future direction of big-time college FB and Men's BB…

Non-Rev sports weren't discussed…

Actually pretty radical, but well thought out…

His premise is that the "cows have already left the barn" with regards to "amateur status" and "student-athletes" of big time CFB and Men's BB…

The recent National Labor Relations Board ruling regarding athlete employee status is foreboding…

His concept could insulate the U's from the ENORMOUS costs and potential injury liability that is on the horizon…

These costs would CRATER CFB as we know it..

He says CFB is quickly becoming (if not already) a paid PRE-NFL minor league, with less than optimal emphasis actually placed on a legit college education..

He believes the REQUIREMENT to matriculate at the same U where you play football or bb goes against the BS college narrative that "it's about the student-athlete's education".

Here's why…

Most elite athletes (especially those from lower-income families) have been told since Junior High that they are going to be big-time NFL or NBA stars…

That constant drum-beat CLOUDS their perception of the value of the college education…

In their mind, it's all about their future pro career… Where the life-changing money is…

Some make it, most don't….

If you think that elite HS athletes value their future college education on any comparable level to their potential pro career, you'd be wrong in most all cases.

They truly are kids with kids' outlooks… I know… I was once there myself… My Dad and Mom had to beat the - "Im gonna be the next Jerry West" outta my head…

Using football as an example…

The ability to get a quality education while honing your football skills was always the promise of the scholarship aspect of College Football.. Until it wasn't…

It started with the schools…
To make their football teams better, somewhere along the way, schollies became one-year offerings, renewable each year by the coaches…. Not 4 year commitments that weren't dependent on your athletic production…

This became the first "break" in the dam…

Then along comes NIL… And the unrestricted one-time Transfer Portal…

What we have TODAY is essentially a Football Entity (affiliated and operating under the auspices of a U) that is that Paid "Pre NFL" league for the larger U's, with some of the athletes actually matriculating along normal degree paths…

And that is working AGAINST the educational narrative that Colleges claim they're all about. Working against the "student" part of the student-athlete…

And it's gonna come back to bite them, if nothing changes…

Here is his premise…

FORMALLY separate the Athletic Entity of a U from the Educational Entity of the U.

The Football and MBB programs would be funded by the U's with 4 year schollies, donated in equal numbers by all the participating schools…

Everything else is funded by donations and private money - as it pretty much is today…

Require athletes to matriculate at an accredited U (or a selection of specific universities - D1 schools, as an example) towards a legit degree, but don't REQUIRE them to matriculate at the U they play for…

Each school has a limit of schollies they can offer athletes - as it is today…

As a matter of course, most athletes will probably want to attend school where they play, but they don't have to.

If a player chooses to matriculate at Stanford, and play at A&M, A&M has to pay Stanford a fixed fee for the education (if there's one in Stanford's allotment available and the student can meet the academic requirements) and vice-versa… same fixed fee..

This solves a couple of challenges…

This plan "checks the box" for the EDUCATION crowd. The student's schooling is completely separated from his athletic choice.

The more "education conscious" U's don't have to "dumb down" their curriculum for athletics.

Those "student-athletes" who actually give a crap about their education, can choose their athletic team AND their chosen school…

Play for the A&M Athletic Entity and go to school at Wisconsin, Texas, Stanford or any other D-1 school you qualify for…. And vice-versa…

Play for the Wiscy athletic entity and matriculate at Texas Tech. Good deal for the individuals and the school.

The school Athletic Entity you play for pays the cost for your education - at an agreed upon fixed rate for all schools.

You want to be a big-time athletic entity, you can…

You want to maintain the value of your education, by not dumbing-down your curriculum, you can.

This way, athletes can "Hit the portal" and transfer their football team without having to mess with their education progress (We live in an online education world)…

They can also change educational entities without having to change their athletic entity…

Those athletes who are more interested in their potential pro career than their potential education can use NIL and the portal to their advantage, and still be able to matriculate in a responsible fashion, should they choose.

This method takes the hypocrisy out of the "student-athlete" conundrum.

The Athletic entity pays a "rental income" to the U for all the facilities / training table, etc… But the players are EMPLOYEES of the athletic entity.

Keeps the NLRB happy… U's maintain non-profit status…Everyone wins…

I'm sure there are things that he didn't think through… but I think this is the future…
I'd like to comment, but l need more information on this.
Fatboy Thaddeus
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This thread sure makes me glad the offseason is here. How 'bout you?
Turf96
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Or just teach our youth what a commitment is. Nobody told the they have to go to a college and get pampered with hot women free food and chance at an education. If you don't like that stay in your home town. You play a sport for fun when you play it for money it isn't fun. All you young uns just want to have fun so why not do that greed is killing college sports. Nothing you can do will change that. UnGreatful youth most not all are. I have no use for those kind. The good hard working loyal kids I fully respect.
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A collective bargaining agreement provides prefer the NCAA from anti-trust suits by players. Goresuch noted that in the opinion he wrote for the 9-0 Alston decision.
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Thread title is half right.
PeekingDuck
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You actually took the time to write all of that out. I don't know what to say.
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How could someone go to class at Stanford but play ball at TAMU? You lost me at this point. Are you assuming everyone has gone to 100% online courses now?
20ag07
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I actually read all that drivel. Not a single thing was "interesting".

How bored were you?
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Jugstore Cowboy
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20ag07 said:

I actually read all that drivel. Not a single thing was "interesting".

How bored were you?
I was almost bored enough to read it, but I just couldn't make myself.

Someone should do a study on people who don't reply to existing thread topics, but only start their own diary entry threads to get reactions.
Faustus
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NM.
Ashes4Trees
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WHAT IS DESTROYING THE COLLEGE FOOTBALL WE ALL LOVE IS ONE SINGLE THING:

NO ONE IS PLACING ANY VALUE AT ALL ON THE DEGREE.

if the value of the degree is ignored- it's over.

MarathonAg12
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I hate the way it's written. Will not read until it is constructed properly
Sq4fish83
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Ashes4Trees said:


if the value of the degree is ignored- it's over.



That happened decades ago
Ashes4Trees
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No, it did not.

It started in the Supreme Court logic just a couple years ago. If you don't attach the degree at its full value- the athletes are being exploited.
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Ashes4Trees said:

WHAT IS DESTROYING THE COLLEGE FOOTBALL WE ALL LOVE IS ONE SINGLE THING:

NO ONE IS PLACING ANY VALUE AT ALL ON THE DEGREE.

if the value of the degree is ignored- it's over.


Listen, there are a lot of beneficial degrees but let's not pretend that degrees are fungible. There are also worthless degrees and, to be candid, we do tend to stick football players in the worthless ones.

Things you will never hear at work: "Do we have a strategy for recruiting more University Studies majors?"

To be honest, I think we were probably helping players get more useful degrees back in the day when we funneled players into College of Ag degrees even though I don't think kids from inner city Houston and Dallas really had big dreams of pursuing careers in agriculture.
Ashes4Trees
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The argument you make is the reason it's collapsing.

You compare the 'worthless' degree you mention to NO DEGREE- and there is no comparison.

The difference is monumental. No one argues for the degree anymore- instead people make ridiculous comments degrading to value.
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As true as this may be, it's going to be just my luck that we finally win a natty after the sport *******izes itself so much that I can't stand watching anymore.
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Ashes4Trees said:

The argument you make is the reason it's collapsing.

You compare the 'worthless' degree you mention to NO DEGREE- and there is no comparison.

The difference is monumental. No one argues for the degree anymore- instead people make ridiculous comments degrading to value.
Actually the difference in pay between the worst degrees (e.g., "[whatever] Studies" majors) and high school graduates isn't that much, and actually less than in demand vocational training.
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MarathonAg12 said:

I hate the way it's written. Will not written until it is constructed properly
Huh?
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