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Bill Superman
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After countless threads calling for Durkin's head, the zoo never fails to miss the mark. Y'all continue to show a complete lack of football knowledge with all of the failed Durkin takes.

The only legitimate gripe is the overused 3 man front which had a lot to do with our run D not being so great, not to mention our lack of LB's on the roster.

Literally everything else was above par all things considered. The #1 pass D in cfb. #26 scoring defense. The lack of LB talent, our Injury plagued issues, depth issues and extreme youth - none of these problems are Durkin's fault. Not to mention the O was among the worst all season and kept our D on the field the entire game.

The results are far from fireable. He deserves another year at minimum, but any amount of progress would give us more than solid results.

All that being said, please don't change, we need the entertainment.
Mega Lops
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Feel better?
StrykerAg
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Maybe OP should hop off Durkin's D
agent-maroon
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Fine. Give him another year but fire that creepy smile of his and get it off our sidelines
aggieRB
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I watched Ms State & Ole Miss BOTH playing the dreaded " 3 Man Line" against each other almost exclusively Why would these dumbshytes do that?
Their D Coordinators must not stay on Tex Ags much as all here know it is shyte.
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Agsrback12
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Opposing defense literally would have hurt themselves had they taken the ball off the line and thrown the ball (other than 3rd and Urkin)

Give up 250 on the ground and get the number 1 pass D because nobody attempted a pass. Genius.
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Where did we rank on run defense, team sacks and pass interceptions?
Potcake
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That thread title, tho.
Bill Superman
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Potcake said:

That thread title, tho.
Only one way to get the zoo's attention.

Know your audience.
ATL Aggie
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sincereag said:

Where did we rank on run defense?


53rd I'm total defense, not bad considering our offensive production.
sincereag
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I don't know how to post the website, but the NCAA rankings show A&M as #124 at 209 yds per game and 4.8 yds per rush.
Detmersdislocatedshoulder
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i think elko was better doesn't mean durkin is terrible but he is a down grade but given the circumstances of this last year it was going to be difficult.
alamogeorge
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Gotta admire a man who doesn't let facts get in the way.
"You may all go to hell, and I will go to Aggieland!" -Davy Crockett
Bill Superman
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sincereag said:

I don't know how to post the website, but the NCAA rankings show A&M as #124 at 209 yds per game and 4.8 yds per rush.
I'm betting Durkin can do much better against the run next season. If you have a farm, you should bet it too. You heard it here first.
Onionman
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Scoring defense was #4 last year so even that fell off a cliff. And last year Aggie offense was not good either so that is no excuse.

Run defense was just plain dreadful. Teams didn't need to pass.

I posted this already with details but Troy played better defense against Ole Miss than A&M did. If we just had Troy defense we easily win the Ole Miss game. And many pundits were making fun of A&M's defense against Miss St.

With our talent you simply can not have a worse defense than freakin Troy!
btglow87
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Watching Durkin's defense is literally painful.

Why? He runs a 3-2-6 and his adjustment off of it is a 4-1-6. He will not take the overhang safeties (what is typically OLB in a 50 or 3-4) off the field for any reason ever. He also has those overhang safeties tied to #2 (the inside receiver) which is also why Kiffin did wide bunch sets to remove them from the alley where he wanted to run it. Kiffin also ran Dart (pull the tackle) over 15 times in that game because we have no edge defenders.

If you line up like cones you will get treated like cones. I have never seen a DC with some much talent... have said talent get treated like cones. Its embarrassing..... Key game this was incredible true was App State.... they got in Trips with a tight end numb opposite ( 3 wide outs one way and just a tightend the other way) would see where they had numbers and either run the play that way, motion to get what they wanted, or boot action to the uncounted flat (that over and over completion to the tightend). Ohhh they didn't score that much ... ohhh I am sorry the team with a nut hair worth of talent compared to us didn't score much... wow what a job DJ ... oh wait they ran 80 plays and controlled the game and won.

He leaves gaps uncounted for often.... oh oh I am sorry he has backers 2 gapping or multiple interior guys 2 gapping which is why it looks like a gap wider than gurney's gash when we get ripped. Go watch the the TD run for LSU the other night from from the edge of the redzone.... Have yourself count the gaps and count the interior defenders and math might be hard but I will assure you the numbers of gaps to defenders does not match... I could name a ton of examples but that is a recent one.... while we are on the topic of that game.... the best DC in that game was the OC for LSU.... the fact he kept throwing and having the QB read zone was beyond me...… if the QB would of handed it on the scoop and score.... go look at our interior on that play... the damn running back would of hits his head on the goal post... I will take being lucky but god damn..

Also for you folks hanging your hat on that stellar pass defense... understand this.... Miss State ran for over 150 and they are the epitome of Air Raid...… WHY the hell would you throw it when you know you can run it, move the sticks, keep the other offense on the sideline and shorten the game?

In addition to that, we suck in underneath coverage in zone especially the hook/curl.... and for having 6 DBs on the field and drop 8 regularly.... he still does pattern match which is why we void the middle so often.... like if you are going to drop 8 why the hell are you doing match up man? and having guys turning and running with receiver a in 3 MAN PRESSURE look??? why?....

Speaking of pressure.... his blitzes are the most telegraphed nonsense ever.... and he without fail plays man behind it.... maybe Man Free. I bet most of yall could tell when he was bringing "pressure" and have never drawn a blitz in your life. Alabama comes to mind on this one because they gashed us on pressure in that game.... so did South Carolina.... hell so did everyone else.

The most frustrating thing to me is we have some of the most amazing player we could ever ask for.... yet they are ask to make extraordinal efforts to make routine plays in this defense. It hurts to watch those kids play so *********hard in such a asinine scheme. He got this scheme from Jim Heacock ….. but the problem is he didn't take the run game scheme from him... Jim never leaves inside gaps uncounted for in his 3-3!-5.... because he has 3! at the second level to help fill the edges off of the other 4 inside..... somewhere in going to visit with him while he was at old miss.... that part was lost on him..... What he ask our "lone survivor backer" (what I have decided to call it) to do in his asinine front..... its so ridiculous that even prime Rey Lewis couldn't do it with any regular success....

Which is another problem..... what Linebacker recruit or portal transfer Linebacker is going to watch tape of this defense and say ..."oh ya I wanna play in that..." not many if any would be my guess.....

Since the likelihood of Durkin being fired is out of the picture the only solution I could see is this... Since he has gone in an offseason before to visit with another DC (Heacock of Iowa State), have him go meet with a run heavy 3-3-5 scheme guy since he is married to that scheme.... maybe if he does that, than the defense might improve next year and linebackers might actually want to play for A&M.

Last thing I am sure DJ knows football I don't think he is completely ignorant or he wouldn't be the DC at a major university. But what was put on the field this year was not acceptable and if he is truly a good coach like Jimbo thinks he is than maybe he fixes it.... I just don't see it... hope I am wrong but every week this year my hope disappeared like the defenders responsible for the gaps he never had anyone for.

IslanderAg04
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Please never start a thread with another mans D as the title.
Bill Superman
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Onionman said:

Scoring defense was #4 last year so even that fell off a cliff. And last year Aggie offense was not good either so that is no excuse.

Run defense was just plain dreadful. Teams didn't need to pass.

I posted this already with details but Troy played better defense against Ole Miss than A&M did. If we just had Troy defense we easily win the Ole Miss game. And many pundits were making fun of A&M's defense against Miss St.

With our talent you simply can not have a worse defense than freakin Troy!
Name checks out.

This post was lifted straight from The Onion.

Elko's defense would've taken a step back this season under the same conditions also had he still been here. And you could do the whole X's D played better than Y's D compared to Z's D on this day with every team on multiple occasions.
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Bill Superman said:

Onionman said:

Scoring defense was #4 last year so even that fell off a cliff. And last year Aggie offense was not good either so that is no excuse.

Run defense was just plain dreadful. Teams didn't need to pass.

I posted this already with details but Troy played better defense against Ole Miss than A&M did. If we just had Troy defense we easily win the Ole Miss game. And many pundits were making fun of A&M's defense against Miss St.

With our talent you simply can not have a worse defense than freakin Troy!
Name checks out.

This post was lifted straight from The Onion.

Elko's defense would've taken a step back this season under the same conditions also had he still been here. And you could do the whole X's D played better than Y's D compared to Z's D on this day with every team on multiple occasions.
So you think Elko's defense gives up 500 yards rushing against Ole Miss?

I wish we could see that and make a ban bet on it.
Agsrback12
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It was obvious the defense was not as well coached as soon as the first game.

Teams elected to run the ball and control the game week in and week out. There were no exceptions to that except for LSU. The LSU OC literally ignored the tape and tried to reinvent the wheel.

Next year will be a disaster if Urkin is retained.
JPK89
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Onionman is on fire on two different threads. An opposing opinion is not allowed.

Dude needs to chill TF out.

Meximan
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btglow87 said:

Watching Durkin's defense is literally painful.

Why? He runs a 3-2-6 and his adjustment off of it is a 4-1-6. He will not take the overhang safeties (what is typically OLB in a 50 or 3-4) off the field for any reason ever. He also has those overhang safeties tied to #2 (the inside receiver) which is also why Kiffin did wide bunch sets to remove them from the alley where he wanted to run it. Kiffin also ran Dart (pull the tackle) over 15 times in that game because we have no edge defenders.

If you line up like cones you will get treated like cones. I have never seen a DC with some much talent... have said talent get treated like cones. Its embarrassing..... Key game this was incredible true was App State.... they got in Trips with a tight end numb opposite ( 3 wide outs one way and just a tightend the other way) would see where they had numbers and either run the play that way, motion to get what they wanted, or boot action to the uncounted flat (that over and over completion to the tightend). Ohhh they didn't score that much ... ohhh I am sorry the team with a nut hair worth of talent compared to us didn't score much... wow what a job DJ ... oh wait they ran 80 plays and controlled the game and won.

He leaves gaps uncounted for often.... oh oh I am sorry he has backers 2 gapping or multiple interior guys 2 gapping which is why it looks like a gap wider than gurney's gash when we get ripped. Go watch the the TD run for LSU the other night from from the edge of the redzone.... Have yourself count the gaps and count the interior defenders and math might be hard but I will assure you the numbers of gaps to defenders does not match... I could name a ton of examples but that is a recent one.... while we are on the topic of that game.... the best DC in that game was the OC for LSU.... the fact he kept throwing and having the QB read zone was beyond me...… if the QB would of handed it on the scoop and score.... go look at our interior on that play... the damn running back would of hits his head on the goal post... I will take being lucky but god damn..

Also for you folks hanging your hat on that stellar pass defense... understand this.... Miss State ran for over 150 and they are the epitome of Air Raid...… WHY the hell would you throw it when you know you can run it, move the sticks, keep the other offense on the sideline and shorten the game?

In addition to that, we suck in underneath coverage in zone especially the hook/curl.... and for having 6 DBs on the field and drop 8 regularly.... he still does pattern match which is why we void the middle so often.... like if you are going to drop 8 why the hell are you doing match up man? and having guys turning and running with receiver a in 3 MAN PRESSURE look??? why?....

Speaking of pressure.... his blitzes are the most telegraphed nonsense ever.... and he without fail plays man behind it.... maybe Man Free. I bet most of yall could tell when he was bringing "pressure" and have never drawn a blitz in your life. Alabama comes to mind on this one because they gashed us on pressure in that game.... so did South Carolina.... hell so did everyone else.

The most frustrating thing to me is we have some of the most amazing player we could ever ask for.... yet they are ask to make extraordinal efforts to make routine plays in this defense. It hurts to watch those kids play so *********hard in such a asinine scheme. He got this scheme from Jim Heacock ….. but the problem is he didn't take the run game scheme from him... Jim never leaves inside gaps uncounted for in his 3-3!-5.... because he has 3! at the second level to help fill the edges off of the other 4 inside..... somewhere in going to visit with him while he was at old miss.... that part was lost on him..... What he ask our "lone survivor backer" (what I have decided to call it) to do in his asinine front..... its so ridiculous that even prime Rey Lewis couldn't do it with any regular success....

Which is another problem..... what Linebacker recruit or portal transfer Linebacker is going to watch tape of this defense and say ..."oh ya I wanna play in that..." not many if any would be my guess.....

Since the likelihood of Durkin being fired is out of the picture the only solution I could see is this... Since he has gone in an offseason before to visit with another DC (Heacock of Iowa State), have him go meet with a run heavy 3-3-5 scheme guy since he is married to that scheme.... maybe if he does that, than the defense might improve next year and linebackers might actually want to play for A&M.

Last thing I am sure DJ knows football I don't think he is completely ignorant or he wouldn't be the DC at a major university. But what was put on the field this year was not acceptable and if he is truly a good coach like Jimbo thinks he is than maybe he fixes it.... I just don't see it... hope I am wrong but every week this year my hope disappeared like the defenders responsible for the gaps he never had anyone for.


Grammar isn't great but this is all pretty spot on. Durkin basically had only 4 men in the box every single game of the year, often even less than that. Offenses literally only needed their basic 5 men to have a numbers advantage. That's setting your defense up to fail.

The pass defense looked better because the Aggies had Vikings Syndrome; about a decade back, the Vikings had such an outstanding defensive line that teams just could not run on them. So what did they do? They passed it, and they passed it a lot; that team wound up with the #1 rush defense but almost the worst pass defense.

Give some credit where it's due, however; A&M really does have a lot of outstanding corners and safeties on the roster, and most are really, really young. You could torch most of them, but you weren't going to do it twice. If Durkin would just go to a 4-2-5 alignment the pass rush and coverage would align correctly. Edge Cooper is the real f&&&in' deal and he should be leveraged, not left on an island.
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Although I scratched my head over scheme at times, I think with quality LB play Durkin's defense can work well. We had damn little help at the second level this year. Part of that was on Durkin at times because it was scheme. Part of it is just LB is our weakest link
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bdp514am said:

Although I scratched my head over scheme at times, I think with quality LB play Durkin's defense can work well. We had damn little help at the second level this year. Part of that was on Durkin at times because it was scheme. Part of it is just LB is our weakest link
just because you don't have good Lbs doesn't mean you don't play them at all. We were always outnumbered at the point of attack all year. Five lineman on 3 DL means two double teams at the point of attack which means two gapping won't work and if the team ran Qb iso with the back leading on the LB everyone was blocked and the ball carrier was untouched until the safety's which is what ole miss did repeatedly.
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Well our DC left us so this is what we got.

Who do you suggest we grab
Houstonag
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App state decimated our ends. Unacceptable.
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You can't be this bad against the run and think that won't bite you in the SEC. Durkins bend but don't break generated no pass rush. Just because the defense held up against getting scored on a lot doesn't mean this will continue when you get zero pass rush and you can't stop the run.
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I feel that Enai White has to be on the field near permanently. He has great potential as a Von Miller type OLB, and I thought he was very effective against LSU even when dropping into coverage. He won't be perfect but he seems to be growing and his presence on the field could really throw some versatility in our defensive game planning.
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StrykerAg said:

Maybe OP should hop off Durkin's D
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Bill Superman said:

After countless threads calling for Durkin's head, the zoo never fails to miss the mark. Y'all continue to show a complete lack of football knowledge with all of the failed Durkin takes.

The only legitimate gripe is the overused 3 man front which had a lot to do with our run D not being so great, not to mention our lack of LB's on the roster.

Literally everything else was above par all things considered. The #1 pass D in cfb. #26 scoring defense. The lack of LB talent, our Injury plagued issues, depth issues and extreme youth - none of these problems are Durkin's fault. Not to mention the O was among the worst all season and kept our D on the field the entire game.

The results are far from fireable. He deserves another year at minimum, but any amount of progress would give us more than solid results.

All that being said, please don't change, we need the entertainment.


I always appreciate it when my wife sticks up for me too
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Great points Mrs. Durkin
Beat40
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This whole conversation is really about the 3 DL. If we would have had 4 DL all season with the exact same results, you would be a lot more forgiving and chalk it up to 1st year in a new system and young talent.

He didn't play like you wanted him to play, so he did a poor job. Don't confuse that statement with there's no room to improve.

If the offense would have been 65th in the country, which is exactly half of all FBS, the team would have been 8-4. Is that not a reasonable expectation with the offensive talent?

Also, look at the damn numbers. The defense had a much harder schedule this year facing 7! top 50 scoring offenses out of 11 games as opposed to the offense which only faced 2 top 50 scoring defenses. They did what they did against some pretty damn good competition week in and week out. Consistently held offenses below their season averages.

I don't care how we play D if we can be top 20 in scoring D next season. If that means 2 DL, then do it. Who really cares how you keep teams from scoring as long as you do it?
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btglow87 said:

Watching Durkin's defense is literally painful.

Why? He runs a 3-2-6 and his adjustment off of it is a 4-1-6. He will not take the overhang safeties (what is typically OLB in a 50 or 3-4) off the field for any reason ever. He also has those overhang safeties tied to #2 (the inside receiver) which is also why Kiffin did wide bunch sets to remove them from the alley where he wanted to run it. Kiffin also ran Dart (pull the tackle) over 15 times in that game because we have no edge defenders.

If you line up like cones you will get treated like cones. I have never seen a DC with some much talent... have said talent get treated like cones. Its embarrassing..... Key game this was incredible true was App State.... they got in Trips with a tight end numb opposite ( 3 wide outs one way and just a tightend the other way) would see where they had numbers and either run the play that way, motion to get what they wanted, or boot action to the uncounted flat (that over and over completion to the tightend). Ohhh they didn't score that much ... ohhh I am sorry the team with a nut hair worth of talent compared to us didn't score much... wow what a job DJ ... oh wait they ran 80 plays and controlled the game and won.

He leaves gaps uncounted for often.... oh oh I am sorry he has backers 2 gapping or multiple interior guys 2 gapping which is why it looks like a gap wider than gurney's gash when we get ripped. Go watch the the TD run for LSU the other night from from the edge of the redzone.... Have yourself count the gaps and count the interior defenders and math might be hard but I will assure you the numbers of gaps to defenders does not match... I could name a ton of examples but that is a recent one.... while we are on the topic of that game.... the best DC in that game was the OC for LSU.... the fact he kept throwing and having the QB read zone was beyond me...… if the QB would of handed it on the scoop and score.... go look at our interior on that play... the damn running back would of hits his head on the goal post... I will take being lucky but god damn..

Also for you folks hanging your hat on that stellar pass defense... understand this.... Miss State ran for over 150 and they are the epitome of Air Raid...… WHY the hell would you throw it when you know you can run it, move the sticks, keep the other offense on the sideline and shorten the game?

In addition to that, we suck in underneath coverage in zone especially the hook/curl.... and for having 6 DBs on the field and drop 8 regularly.... he still does pattern match which is why we void the middle so often.... like if you are going to drop 8 why the hell are you doing match up man? and having guys turning and running with receiver a in 3 MAN PRESSURE look??? why?....

Speaking of pressure.... his blitzes are the most telegraphed nonsense ever.... and he without fail plays man behind it.... maybe Man Free. I bet most of yall could tell when he was bringing "pressure" and have never drawn a blitz in your life. Alabama comes to mind on this one because they gashed us on pressure in that game.... so did South Carolina.... hell so did everyone else.

The most frustrating thing to me is we have some of the most amazing player we could ever ask for.... yet they are ask to make extraordinal efforts to make routine plays in this defense. It hurts to watch those kids play so *********hard in such a asinine scheme. He got this scheme from Jim Heacock ….. but the problem is he didn't take the run game scheme from him... Jim never leaves inside gaps uncounted for in his 3-3!-5.... because he has 3! at the second level to help fill the edges off of the other 4 inside..... somewhere in going to visit with him while he was at old miss.... that part was lost on him..... What he ask our "lone survivor backer" (what I have decided to call it) to do in his asinine front..... its so ridiculous that even prime Rey Lewis couldn't do it with any regular success....

Which is another problem..... what Linebacker recruit or portal transfer Linebacker is going to watch tape of this defense and say ..."oh ya I wanna play in that..." not many if any would be my guess.....

Since the likelihood of Durkin being fired is out of the picture the only solution I could see is this... Since he has gone in an offseason before to visit with another DC (Heacock of Iowa State), have him go meet with a run heavy 3-3-5 scheme guy since he is married to that scheme.... maybe if he does that, than the defense might improve next year and linebackers might actually want to play for A&M.

Last thing I am sure DJ knows football I don't think he is completely ignorant or he wouldn't be the DC at a major university. But what was put on the field this year was not acceptable and if he is truly a good coach like Jimbo thinks he is than maybe he fixes it.... I just don't see it... hope I am wrong but every week this year my hope disappeared like the defenders responsible for the gaps he never had anyone for.


So much talent? You should have just stopped there.
aggieland09
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The only reason we have the #1 pass d is teams never needed to pass to win, even ap state. That's how horrible our run d was.
Beat40
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Agsrback12 said:

Opposing defense literally would have hurt themselves had they taken the ball off the line and thrown the ball (other than 3rd and Urkin)

Give up 250 on the ground and get the number 1 pass D because nobody attempted a pass. Genius.


You're right, I don't recall having to defend a pass this season.
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