Bronco6G said:

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PyriteAg said:

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Bronco6G said:

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If we are talking about someone who could take this current roster, instill some discipline and pride, and win 10 games in year 1 with competent decisions then the choice is easy....Dan Campbell

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I'm curious as to why a lot of people want him here when he's failing harder as a head coach than Nick Saban during his time at the Miami Dolphins.

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So Alabama made a bad decision?

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Nick Saban won a national championship before he went to the dolphins. He had a proven record at LSU.

Sorry for my skepticism, but I just think it's an extreme risk at best to hire a head coach whose only record is losing with the Detroit Lions.

Then we can agree that coaching NFL and College are different? Or are we just sticking with the Miami Dolphin comparison?

His style of leadership is exactly what this team needs, with a couple of exceptions every year we are usually the more talented team to step on the field. His style of leadership takes the primadonna out of the players, instills discipline and togetherness, the culture would never be better. You instill those attributes in the more talented team and you will win games.

The question from the OP was for a first year 10 win season. Long term I don't think he would be particularly good at recruiting as his toughness would scare a lot of the higher end talent away and thus our talent level would sink as the years go by, so I don't know that he is who I would hire to lead us for the next 10 years as recruiting is very important.

Kill the board of regents and BMAs and you'll get someone that can win here.

Til then, it's a glorified babysitting role.

TecRecAg said:

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Kill the board of regents and BMAs and you'll get someone that can win here.

Til then, it's a glorified babysitting role.

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We have an early leader for stupid POTD.

Bronco6G said:

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Then we can agree that coaching NFL and College are different? Or are we just sticking with the Miami Dolphin comparison?

His style of leadership is exactly what this team needs, with a couple of exceptions every year we are usually the more talented team to step on the field. His style of leadership takes the primadonna out of the players, instills discipline and togetherness, the culture would never be better. You instill those attributes in the more talented team and you will win games.

The question from the OP was for a first year 10 win season. Long term I don't think he would be particularly good at recruiting as his toughness would scare a lot of the higher end talent away and thus our talent level would sink as the years go by, so I don't know that he is who I would hire to lead us for the next 10 years as recruiting is very important.

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I do agree that college level and NFL level football are different. I was just saying the only evidence we can go off of Dan Campbell as a head coach is having one extremely bad season and currently one losing season.

Also, if you're going to go with the "intangible/immeasurable" traits of a coach to hire him, even for short term, then it's important to remember that Jimbo also focused on 5 key traits: toughness, effort, discipline, pride, and grit. Just from those, Jimbo is not much different from Campbell, except Jimbo also recruited at an elite level.

To be blunt, I think Campbell would be a downgrade from Jimbo.

Interesting. Could Dan succeed in college? Some people are more suited for the pro game vs. college and the other way around. There are plenty of coaches who killed it in college and sucked at the pros. Likewise there are a few pro coaches who absolutely sucked in college. It's a control thing/managerial job difference between the two.

nu awlins ag said:

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Interesting. Could Dan succeed in college? Some people are more suited for the pro game vs. college and the other way around. There are plenty of coaches who killed it in college and sucked at the pros. Likewise there are a few pro coaches who absolutely sucked in college. It's a control thing/managerial job difference between the two.

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It's possible. Even if I think he might suck at college, he might just come in one day and completely kill it here. I'm just scared of a complete lack of info we have on Campbell and how his traits may translate well to the collegiate level.

I'm just saying it how I think it might go without sugarcoating. Reality is, I could be dead wrong about Campbell. I thought Jimbo was going to be amazing here, for one. Look how that is turning out.

PyriteAg said:

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Bronco6G said:

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Then we can agree that coaching NFL and College are different? Or are we just sticking with the Miami Dolphin comparison?

His style of leadership is exactly what this team needs, with a couple of exceptions every year we are usually the more talented team to step on the field. His style of leadership takes the primadonna out of the players, instills discipline and togetherness, the culture would never be better. You instill those attributes in the more talented team and you will win games.

The question from the OP was for a first year 10 win season. Long term I don't think he would be particularly good at recruiting as his toughness would scare a lot of the higher end talent away and thus our talent level would sink as the years go by, so I don't know that he is who I would hire to lead us for the next 10 years as recruiting is very important.

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I do agree that college level and NFL level football are different. I was just saying the only evidence we can go off of Dan Campbell as a head coach is having one extremely bad season and currently one losing season.

Also, if you're going to go with the "intangible/immeasurable" traits of a coach to hire him, even for short term, then it's important to remember that Jimbo also focused on 5 key traits: toughness, effort, discipline, pride, and grit. Just from those, Jimbo is not much different from Campbell, except Jimbo also recruited at an elite level.

To be blunt, I think Campbell would be a downgrade from Jimbo.

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There's a huge difference in words, and actually doing what you preach. Do you think our players are tough? Do you think they are disciplined? Do you think a player should be able to dictate whether he plays a game or not, and then just announce that he's available for the next game? Have they shown an grit? Jimbo says those things, but what in his actions demonstrates those things? There are actions behind what Campbell preaches, not just words.

If we hit on our OC hire we'll win 10 games next year.

Bronco6G said:

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PyriteAg said:

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Bronco6G said:

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Then we can agree that coaching NFL and College are different? Or are we just sticking with the Miami Dolphin comparison?

His style of leadership is exactly what this team needs, with a couple of exceptions every year we are usually the more talented team to step on the field. His style of leadership takes the primadonna out of the players, instills discipline and togetherness, the culture would never be better. You instill those attributes in the more talented team and you will win games.

The question from the OP was for a first year 10 win season. Long term I don't think he would be particularly good at recruiting as his toughness would scare a lot of the higher end talent away and thus our talent level would sink as the years go by, so I don't know that he is who I would hire to lead us for the next 10 years as recruiting is very important.

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I do agree that college level and NFL level football are different. I was just saying the only evidence we can go off of Dan Campbell as a head coach is having one extremely bad season and currently one losing season.

Also, if you're going to go with the "intangible/immeasurable" traits of a coach to hire him, even for short term, then it's important to remember that Jimbo also focused on 5 key traits: toughness, effort, discipline, pride, and grit. Just from those, Jimbo is not much different from Campbell, except Jimbo also recruited at an elite level.

To be blunt, I think Campbell would be a downgrade from Jimbo.

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There's a huge difference in words, and actually doing what you preach. Do you think our players are tough? Do you think they are disciplined? Do you think a player should be able to dictate whether he plays a game or not, and then just announce that he's available for the next game? Have they shown an grit? Jimbo says those things, but what in his actions demonstrates those things? There are actions behind what Campbell preaches, not just words.

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To be honest, I do think our players are doing their absolute best with the coaching they're given. You also have to keep in mind that (most) NFL players are more mature than 18-20 year old college kids. With grown men, you can motivate your players with powerful words and actions and they will follow. With kids, you gotta beat that into their heads... (figuratively of course).

But yeah, as I said to someone else, he honestly might work well here, even as a long term option. I could be dead wrong about Campbell, considering how I was wrong about how Jimbo was going to get it done here.

At least we can agree, though, that whatever is going on right now is really not gonna work out for us long term.

PyriteAg said:

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Bronco6G said:

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If we are talking about someone who could take this current roster, instill some discipline and pride, and win 10 games in year 1 with competent decisions then the choice is easy....Dan Campbell

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I'm curious as to why a lot of people want him here when he's failing harder as a head coach than Nick Saban during his time at the Miami Dolphins.

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Because he's at Detroit and has them playing much better than their talent level dictates. I thought he would have been a good candidate when we hired Jimbo, at the time he was Assoc. HC at New Orleans.

If he has ANY interest in CFB it would probably only be A&M and we should reach out and vet his interest level whenever we move on from Jimbo or Jimbo retires.

He may very well be an NFL guy though, and just not interested in dealing with kids and recruiting. His love and passion for A&M is evident and I'm sure he would like the football coaching part and to lead the program, but just may not be interested due to the recruiting aspects and dealing with BS like Jimbo has had to deal with this season.

He should have been given the Dolphins job after he was the interim IMHO.

Anyway, this thread is funny... OP said "If we do actually go through with firing Jimbo, which from what I hear is a real possibility....." it is not a real possibility AT ALL, not even remotely close.

Jarrin' Jay said:

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PyriteAg said:

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Bronco6G said:

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If we are talking about someone who could take this current roster, instill some discipline and pride, and win 10 games in year 1 with competent decisions then the choice is easy....Dan Campbell

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I'm curious as to why a lot of people want him here when he's failing harder as a head coach than Nick Saban during his time at the Miami Dolphins.

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Because he's at Detroit and has them playing much better than their talent level dictates. I thought he would have been a good candidate when we hired Jimbo, at the time he was Assoc. HC at New Orleans.

If he has ANY interest in CFB it would probably only be A&M and we should reach out and vet his interest level whenever we move on from Jimbo or Jimbo retires.

He may very well be an NFL guy though, and just not interested in dealing with kids and recruiting. His love and passion for A&M is evident and I'm sure he would like the football coaching part and to lead the program, but just may not be interested due to the recruiting aspects and dealing with BS like Jimbo has had to deal with this season.

He should have been given the Dolphins job after he was the interim IMHO.

Anyway, this thread is funny... OP said "If we do actually go through with firing Jimbo, which from what I hear is a real possibility....." it is not a real possibility AT ALL, not even remotely close.

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I see. I guess there's a lot more to him than his record at Detroit.

With that being said, hey, you never know if he wants to come coach at A&M. Crazier things have happened here.

It would be a crap shoot. Like you, I thought Jimbo would kill it here from day one. He was trending well until this year but is this just an anomaly?

nu awlins ag said:

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It would be a crap shoot. Like you, I thought Jimbo would kill it here from day one. He was trending well until this year but is this just an anomaly?

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Frustration aside, I really hope it is just an anomaly. With that being said, I do still think he needs to give up playcalling.

The biggest thing that concerns me, though, is how bad some of his key hires were. If this is the case, then will he even hire a good OC?

Bingo! I'm not in the mood, as I'm sure you're not either, in hiring another HC. With Ou and tu coming into the league, A&M really needs to establish itself as a power player.

Rumor has it that he uses his agent as his coaching talent scout. No idea if that is true, but that was actually relayed to me in a non-joking manner by someone who is in a position to have legitimately run across this type of information.

BrotherChad2 said:

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If we do actually go through with firing Jimbo, which from what I hear is a real possibility, who would we hire that would need minimal time to rebuild and could immediately win with this roster, some transfers, and some of their own recruits?

I think with this current roster (and if we can keep most of it), success in year 1 is very possible.

Just off the top of my head, recent year 1 successes: Lane Kiffin and Sonny Dykes.

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Troll post, Chad…

Urban Meyer

We already hired Petrino, so I'd say our AD/boosters would be ok with it.

I think last year was a perfect storm of sorts with a combination of inexperience and injuries . I believe the talent base may be as good as its ever been here. I was not into the Petrino hire from an integrity viewpoint but I acknowledge he is likely to make a positive difference on the football front.

We'll know soon enough.

If we're just talking year one, then we don't care about recruiting and just want an Xs and Os coach. That sounds like Dan Mullen to me. Bonus: he already has three double digits win seasons in the SEC (both divisions), so he knows what it takes.

maroonthrunthru said:

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Two Words…

Sonny…. Dykes…

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NOT ONLY NO BUT HELL NO!!! He went undefeated in a weak conference the cratered against a SEC team!!!!