We are going to look back at this 4 team playoff as an ancient relic and stupid idea like we look back on 48 team NCAA tournaments or other dumb ideas. I want our program to be one that makes the 12 team playoff (or 16 or whatever) consistently. So let's evaluate Sumlin and Jimbo's careers by those standards.

Jimbo:
2010 NO; 10-3 Final BCS ranking #23 Nothing to argue here
2011 NO; 8-4
2012 NO; 11-2 This is one is arguable. The final BCS ranking was #12 but the G5 gets at least one auto qualifier so I won't make that case here.
2013 YES; Undefeated National champions easily in
2014 YES; Undefeated ACC champions and CFP participant
2015 YES; 10-2 #9 in the final CFP poll. This is very good non Jameis team
2016 YES; 10-2 #10 in the final CFP poll. Again another playoff team without Jameis.
2017 NO; 7-6 I don't love that he gave up on this team. But he was out the door.
2018 NO; 8-4 #19 a credit to our brutal schedule. But I think it would take 24 team playoff to get us in
2019 NO; 7-5 Unranked Meh year
2020 YES; #5 finish we would've hosted a playoff game here
2021 NO; Not a great year no excuses
2022 NO; 9-3 finish would put us in the top 15 but the App loss keeps us out

This is wildly underrated career so far. Those Winston-less seasons at FSU were really strong and not talked about. 2023 has to be a year where you're in the mix for top 12. And Jimbo will actually be here for the real 12 team playoff so we'll see. I would guess we'll be in it more often than not.

Just for fun let's compare it to Kevin Sumlin
2008 NO; 8-5 at Cougar high
2009 NO; 10-2 no conference title
2010 NO; 5-7
2011 NO; 12-1 The crown jewel year of the Houston era. But he lost the conference title game and finished #20 in the final BCS poll. With their resume this team doesn't get in
2012 YES; JFF and Sumlin get this 10-2 team to likely host a playoff game
2013 NO; JFF and Sumlin go 8-4. 8-4 teams probably will never dance
2014 NO; 7-5
2015 NO; Unranked 8-4 with no good wins
2016 NO; 8-4 Yawn
2017 NO; 7-5
Arizona Sumlin didn't finish above .500

Point is Sumlin had a nice career. But good/decent coaches are making the playoff once or twice. Jimbo is leagues better than Sumlin and really anyone else you can replace him with. I can't guarantee a title, but I will guarantee meaningful playoff games are in our future with Jimbo.

Making the playoff with 12 teams isn't as impressive.

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Making the playoff with 12 teams isn't as impressive.

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Show me coaches outside Kirby, Dabo, and Saban, maybe Lincoln Riley that are consistently making the theoretical 12 team playoff more than Jimbo.

That's the point of the entire thread. Its impressive to do so consistently despite your cynicism.

In the 4 years he has been here, by your analysis, Jimbo mskes it once in 2020. And he almost for sure would not make it in his 5th year. Doesn't sound like Jimbo should be on your list of coaches who consistently make it to a 12 team playoff.

Cynicism?

Don't you go making up words on me buddy!

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In the 4 years he has been here, by your analysis, Jimbo mskes it once in 2020. And he almost for sure would not make it in his 5th year. Doesn't sound like Jimbo should be on your list of coaches who consistently make it to a 12 team playoff.

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Good point, and FSU was not in the SEC West

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In the 4 years he has been here, by your analysis, Jimbo mskes it once in 2020. And he almost for sure would not make it in his 5th year. Doesn't sound like Jimbo should be on your list of coaches who consistently make it to a 12 team playoff.

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With a bit of creativity and reasonableness, the Ags routinely finish in the Top-5. Our only "real" loss this year is against Mississippi State. We just have to deconstruct the losses and find moral victories in said losses. Not hard.

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Making the playoff with 12 teams isn't as impressive.

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Show me coaches outside Kirby, Dabo, and Saban, maybe Lincoln Riley that are consistently making the theoretical 12 team playoff more than Jimbo.

That's the point of the entire thread. Its impressive to do so consistently despite your cynicism.

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Lol Lincoln Riley isn't a maybe- he's a definite yes. He would've been in it 4/5 years at OU and would still be on track to make it this year at USC. That puts his hypothetical rate at .833 to Jimbo's .385

Ryan Day is also another blatantly obvious higher rate of making a 12 team playoff. He's a 1.000 whether you include this year, 2018 (when he took over for Urban) or not.

Brian Kelly is another. He would've been in 5/12 years at ND, and would still be in the running this year at LSU. Outside of P5 jobs, it's also worth noting he would've been 2/4 at Cincinnati.

Harbaugh is another. His combined rate between Stanford and UM, assuming they don't choke this year, would be .417

James Franklin is another. He's 4/8 (.500) with the potential to still make it 5/9 this year. Obviously he wouldn't have made it at Vandy, but that's an very unlikely thing to happen, and his record there was impressive nonetheless.

Mack Brown would have a higher rate as well if you included his time at Texas, but the game also seems to have passed him by. Though he's still on track to have UNC theoretically make it for the first time (in his second stint) this year. Interestingly enough, UNC would not have been in a 12 team CFP the year we beat them in the Orange Bowl.

Luke Fickell still has a shot this year to be highest ranked G5 champ and surpass Jimbo at 3/7 (.429) if you want to include G5 coaches.

If you include his time at UCF as well as this year, Josh Heupel would be 2/5 (.400)

Point being, the hypothetical 12 team playoff rate doesn't help Jimbo's case at being a Top 5 HC. It just reinforces that he's a Top 10, at best, HC right now, though things are not trending in the right direction.

Let's not, because wth is the point?

To be honest: throwing in six conference champions likely will dilute the playoff team quality. Notionally a 12-team playoff in a best 12 selection model should all be close to consensus top 10 candidates during the year. But the presumed candidate model saves the 10 conference system and quite likely slurps up enough of the top bowls to preserve the bowl system. What would be very interesting is if the playoff first round is on campus and the eliminated teams are eligible for a bowl game as well to give them the extra practice time.

It's moot whether Jimbo in his first five years made or would have made a playoff that is poorly imagined and described at the moment. He couldn't because it didn't exist and to be honest short of his one-loss 2020 year he likely wouldn't have been in consideration by the end of the year. Is what it is.

The question is now whether the work in the recruiting trail can be sustained and if it can be capitalized on. Prior yo this year there wasn't enough recruiting success to drive team improvement over pure development. Now there is and we have concerns on the development "taking." All fair concerns by the way, but given our previous history perhaps premature. We will know in about three more years which is likely about when a retention decision likely will be in play given the buy out costs.

I've argued letting it play out solely because of his recruiting is the better choice. But if the fan base echoes the media it might not turn out well. Need to support the team to see the best outcome. Going negative on the coach likely will dampen recruiting. But we are too short sighted for strategic patience.

The Coogs beat FSU in Jimbo's 2015 "YES" year.

Jimbo is obviously a better college coach than Sumlin. Regardless of the record comparison at A&M.

Jimbo has a natty. Jimbo is obviously a superior recruiter and just signed the GOAT recruiting class in modern recruiting rankings history. Sumlin would have never been able to recruit that level of a class.

And Jimbo hasn't yet lost to Bama 59-0 or that UCLA level collapse where you truly felt the team had quit and the wheels had come off, as in the Sumlin era. Jimbo's offense has simply been frustrating the past couple of years with an unsettled QB and OL situation.

How many helicopters does Jimbo have? That's right, none. Game, set and match kids.

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Jimbo is obviously a better college coach than Sumlin. Regardless of the record comparison at A&M.

Jimbo has a natty. Jimbo is obviously a superior recruiter and just signed the GOAT recruiting class in modern recruiting rankings history. Sumlin would have never been able to recruit that level of a class.

And Jimbo hasn't yet lost to Bama 59-0 or that UCLA level collapse where you truly felt the team had quit and the wheels had come off, as in the Sumlin era. Jimbo's offense has simply been frustrating the past couple of years with an unsettled QB and OL situation.

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So....50-7 doesn't count?

Got ya.

Yes. People who compare Jimbo with Sumlin are idiots.We have a much better coach who can recruit at an elite level consistently. That is always Step 1 that we failed to do very well. Yes, in recruiting his failure has been the QB spot. Hopefully CW is the guy.
The next step is to coach them all well so they work well as a team. Let's see if he can do it. I am optimistic.
We haven't won anything since 1939 and no one alive remembers that.

So let's be patient and see what Jimbo can do.

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Jimbo is obviously a better college coach than Sumlin. Regardless of the record comparison at A&M.

Jimbo has a natty. Jimbo is obviously a superior recruiter and just signed the GOAT recruiting class in modern recruiting rankings history. Sumlin would have never been able to recruit that level of a class.

And Jimbo hasn't yet lost to Bama 59-0 or that UCLA level collapse where you truly felt the team had quit and the wheels had come off, as in the Sumlin era. Jimbo's offense has simply been frustrating the past couple of years with an unsettled QB and OL situation.

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Which coach lost to a G5 school at home as overwhelming favorites?

I did a blow out loss comparison to these coaches and jimbo is clearly doing a better job of not getting humiliated as much as sumlin, sleepy and fran.

But....jimbo lost to appalachian st AT HOME....on year 5. And for that reason

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Yes. People who compare Jimbo with Sumlin are idiots.We have a much better coach who can recruit at an elite level consistently. That is always Step 1 that we failed to do very well. Yes, in recruiting his failure has been the QB spot. Hopefully CW is the guy.
The next step is to coach them all well so they work well as a team. Let's see if he can do it. I am optimistic.
We haven't won anything since 1939 and no one alive remembers that.

So let's be patient and see what Jimbo can do.

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You're waiting for Jimbo to take the next step and start coaching in Year 5?

Got it

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Making the playoff with 12 teams isn't as impressive.

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Well hell, let's just get rid of the playoff all together then! I mean, making a 4 team "playoff" isn't as impressive as a 2 team "playoff". Making the 2 team "playoff" isn't as impressive as having a bunch of writers declare you the champion!

I wonder if the basketball and baseball national champions ever think that it really wasn't impressive that they made the 64 team playoff and ended up winning.

Good God, people are just flat fuggin stupid when it comes to football and having an actual playoff.

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Let's not, because wth is the point?

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Exactly. It isn't like he went on and did much better and greater. We didn't lose a great coach, we overpaid (again), for flat results.

Pumpkinhead said:

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Jimbo is obviously a better college coach than Sumlin. Regardless of the record comparison at A&M.

Jimbo has a natty. Jimbo is obviously a superior recruiter and just signed the GOAT recruiting class in modern recruiting rankings history. Sumlin would have never been able to recruit that level of a class.

And Jimbo hasn't yet lost to Bama 59-0 or that UCLA level collapse where you truly felt the team had quit and the wheels had come off, as in the Sumlin era. Jimbo's offense has simply been frustrating the past couple of years with an unsettled QB and OL situation.

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but here's the problem...

the hard data doesn't support those statements.

their records at A&M are just about identical midway thru year 5.

and it wasn't supposed to be that way at this point in Jimbo's tenure

Thread summary:

Jimbo has a comparable win-loss record to Sumlin

But Jimbo's a better recruiter

But they have the same record

But Jimbo hasn't had a big embarrassing blowout

But Jimbo did lose to Appalachian State

But Jimbo's a better recruiter!

Jimbo Fisher is slightly ahead of Kevin Sumlin in SEC games through the first 6 games of Year 5 of their respective tenures. Jimbo is currently 22-13 in SEC games, and Kevin Sumlin went 22-14 (4-0 in first 4 SEC games of 2016) by this point. Also, Jimbo has posted two winning SEC records (5-3 in 2018 and 8-1 in 2020) and finished 2nd in the SEC West both times. In contrast, Kevin Sumlin never posted another winning record or finished higher than 4th in the SEC West after going 6-2 in SEC games in his first season. Even with Johnny Manziel in 2013, we finished 4-4 in SEC games and 4th in the SEC West.

Kevin Sumlin benefited from not having to play a Power 5 nonconference team in his first 3 years. Yes, we beat Arizona State 38-17 in Houston in 2015 and UCLA 31-24 in overtime at Kyle Field in 2016, but we blew a 44-10 lead with 4:08 left in the 3rd quarter at UCLA in 2017. Jimbo Fisher has lost 3 nonconference games, and 2 of them were to Clemson. That's why they have comparable records. The most inexcusable loss for Jimbo is a 17-14 loss to Appalachian State at Kyle Field on 9/10.

Sumlin started his 5th year 6-0 (4-0 SEC) before losing his last 4 SEC games and the 2016 Texas bowl to Kansas State for an 8-5 finish. That season ending 4-game SEC losing streak dropped Sumlin's SEC record to 21-19 (0.550) through 5 years. I think our last 6 regular season games should further settle the Sumlin vs Jimbo comparison. If we win out or lose no more than one additional conference game, Jimbo will have posted his 3rd winning SEC record (5-3 or 6-2) and improve his SEC record to either 27-14 (0.6585) or 26-15 (0.6341) through 5 years.

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Jimbo is obviously a better college coach than Sumlin. Regardless of the record comparison at A&M.

Jimbo has a natty. Jimbo is obviously a superior recruiter and just signed the GOAT recruiting class in modern recruiting rankings history. Sumlin would have never been able to recruit that level of a class.

And Jimbo hasn't yet lost to Bama 59-0 or that UCLA level collapse where you truly felt the team had quit and the wheels had come off, as in the Sumlin era. Jimbo's offense has simply been frustrating the past couple of years with an unsettled QB and OL situation.

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but here's the problem...

the hard data doesn't support those statements.

their records at A&M are just about identical midway thru year 5.

and it wasn't supposed to be that way at this point in Jimbo's tenure

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Nope, it wasn't. But that isn't really the point of this argument. The point is whether Jimbo is truly 'no better than Sumlin'.

Would anybody here if they had to hire a new coach between Jimbo and Sumlin...actually choose to hire Sumlin?

The recruiting difference alone, Jimbo is a clear tier above Sumlin in terms of ceiling. Similar records but clearly recruiting is going better, so you pick the guy with the better recruiting. It is a no brainer.

Now, if Jimbo doesn't produce wins, he'll eventually get fired just like Sumlin was. Even with the large buyout, eventually you'll see some folks pony up the money and make a change if the wheels are just coming off.

Of course, all of A&M's enemies and fans of other schools, their argument is that A&M is fated to be mediocre no matter who we hire. That is the narrative. Because we have male cheerleaders and a bunch of weird traditions and we are just Austin's 'little brother' and so our school is destined for failure for eternity with no hope...doesn't matter who the coach is...which is just a bunch of nonsense but that is the narrative the anti-A&M crowd pushes out there.

Can we get back to tentures?

You lost me when you suggested it would be fun to compare Jimbo to Sumlin.

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Pumpkinhead said:

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Jimbo is obviously a better college coach than Sumlin. Regardless of the record comparison at A&M.

Jimbo has a natty. Jimbo is obviously a superior recruiter and just signed the GOAT recruiting class in modern recruiting rankings history. Sumlin would have never been able to recruit that level of a class.

And Jimbo hasn't yet lost to Bama 59-0 or that UCLA level collapse where you truly felt the team had quit and the wheels had come off, as in the Sumlin era. Jimbo's offense has simply been frustrating the past couple of years with an unsettled QB and OL situation.

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but here's the problem...

the hard data doesn't support those statements.

their records at A&M are just about identical midway thru year 5.

and it wasn't supposed to be that way at this point in Jimbo's tenure

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Nope, it wasn't. But that isn't really the point of this argument. The point is whether Jimbo is truly 'no better than Sumlin'.

Would anybody here if they had to hire a new coach between Jimbo and Sumlin...actually choose to hire Sumlin?

The recruiting difference alone, Jimbo is a clear tier above Sumlin in terms of ceiling. Similar records but clearly recruiting is going better, so you pick the guy with the better recruiting. It is a no brainer.

Now, if Jimbo doesn't produce wins, he'll eventually get fired just like Sumlin was. Even with the large buyout, eventually you'll see some folks pony up the money and make a change if the wheels are just coming off.

Of course, all of A&M's enemies and fans of other schools, their argument is that A&M is fated to be mediocre no matter who we hire. That is the narrative. Because we have male cheerleaders and a bunch of weird traditions and we are just Austin's 'little brother' and so our school is destined for failure for eternity with no hope...doesn't matter who the coach is...which is just a bunch of nonsense but that is the narrative the anti-A&M crowd pushes out there.

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Neither coach has gotten this team to Atlanta. Neither coach has ever coached an A&M team to a first place season.

I still fail to see how Jimbo is this supposed huge upgrade over Coach Sumlin.
Their results look mighty similar. One great season and a bunch of average ones.

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Pumpkinhead said:

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Jimbo is obviously a better college coach than Sumlin. Regardless of the record comparison at A&M.

Jimbo has a natty. Jimbo is obviously a superior recruiter and just signed the GOAT recruiting class in modern recruiting rankings history. Sumlin would have never been able to recruit that level of a class.

And Jimbo hasn't yet lost to Bama 59-0 or that UCLA level collapse where you truly felt the team had quit and the wheels had come off, as in the Sumlin era. Jimbo's offense has simply been frustrating the past couple of years with an unsettled QB and OL situation.

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but here's the problem...

the hard data doesn't support those statements.

their records at A&M are just about identical midway thru year 5.

and it wasn't supposed to be that way at this point in Jimbo's tenure

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Nope, it wasn't. But that isn't really the point of this argument. The point is whether Jimbo is truly 'no better than Sumlin'.

Would anybody here if they had to hire a new coach between Jimbo and Sumlin...actually choose to hire Sumlin?

The recruiting difference alone, Jimbo is a clear tier above Sumlin in terms of ceiling. Similar records but clearly recruiting is going better, so you pick the guy with the better recruiting. It is a no brainer.

Now, if Jimbo doesn't produce wins, he'll eventually get fired just like Sumlin was. Even with the large buyout, eventually you'll see some folks pony up the money and make a change if the wheels are just coming off.

Of course, all of A&M's enemies and fans of other schools, their argument is that A&M is fated to be mediocre no matter who we hire. That is the narrative. Because we have male cheerleaders and a bunch of weird traditions and we are just Austin's 'little brother' and so our school is destined for failure for eternity with no hope...doesn't matter who the coach is...which is just a bunch of nonsense but that is the narrative the anti-A&M crowd pushes out there.

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At what point do we stop giving a **** about recruiting rankings and start caring about winning games? Like seriously, name a season. Unless the goal is to just forever claim recruiting titles and be the new sips who recruit very well but can never do anything with it.

Constantly repeating that he's a better recruiter just highlights that he's done less with more. If we go 6-6 this year, are you still going to be saying "but he's a better recruiter!"?

Also don't know if you've noticed, but we're close to a month out from the first signing day, and we don't even have a Top 25 class...

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Pumpkinhead said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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Jimbo is obviously a better college coach than Sumlin. Regardless of the record comparison at A&M.

Jimbo has a natty. Jimbo is obviously a superior recruiter and just signed the GOAT recruiting class in modern recruiting rankings history. Sumlin would have never been able to recruit that level of a class.

And Jimbo hasn't yet lost to Bama 59-0 or that UCLA level collapse where you truly felt the team had quit and the wheels had come off, as in the Sumlin era. Jimbo's offense has simply been frustrating the past couple of years with an unsettled QB and OL situation.

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but here's the problem...

the hard data doesn't support those statements.

their records at A&M are just about identical midway thru year 5.

and it wasn't supposed to be that way at this point in Jimbo's tenure

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Nope, it wasn't. But that isn't really the point of this argument. The point is whether Jimbo is truly 'no better than Sumlin'.

Would anybody here if they had to hire a new coach between Jimbo and Sumlin...actually choose to hire Sumlin?

The recruiting difference alone, Jimbo is a clear tier above Sumlin in terms of ceiling. Similar records but clearly recruiting is going better, so you pick the guy with the better recruiting. It is a no brainer.

Now, if Jimbo doesn't produce wins, he'll eventually get fired just like Sumlin was. Even with the large buyout, eventually you'll see some folks pony up the money and make a change if the wheels are just coming off.

Of course, all of A&M's enemies and fans of other schools, their argument is that A&M is fated to be mediocre no matter who we hire. That is the narrative. Because we have male cheerleaders and a bunch of weird traditions and we are just Austin's 'little brother' and so our school is destined for failure for eternity with no hope...doesn't matter who the coach is...which is just a bunch of nonsense but that is the narrative the anti-A&M crowd pushes out there.

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Neither coach has gotten this team to Atlanta. Neither coach has ever coached an A&M team to a first place season.

I still fail to see how Jimbo is this supposed huge upgrade over Coach Sumlin.
Their results look mighty similar. One great season and a bunch of average ones.

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Well, I guess that means it is settled then. We might as well fire him and move on to the next guy.

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Yes. People who compare Jimbo with Sumlin are idiots.We have a much better coach who can recruit at an elite level consistently. That is always Step 1 that we failed to do very well. Yes, in recruiting his failure has been the QB spot. Hopefully CW is the guy.
The next step is to coach them all well so they work well as a team. Let's see if he can do it. I am optimistic.
We haven't won anything since 1939 and no one alive remembers that.

So let's be patient and see what Jimbo can do.

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You're waiting for Jimbo to take the next step and start coaching in Year 5?

Got it

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Since you call Jimbo a bad coach, did you need 5 years to figure it out?
Got it.

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Pumpkinhead said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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Jimbo is obviously a better college coach than Sumlin. Regardless of the record comparison at A&M.

Jimbo has a natty. Jimbo is obviously a superior recruiter and just signed the GOAT recruiting class in modern recruiting rankings history. Sumlin would have never been able to recruit that level of a class.

And Jimbo hasn't yet lost to Bama 59-0 or that UCLA level collapse where you truly felt the team had quit and the wheels had come off, as in the Sumlin era. Jimbo's offense has simply been frustrating the past couple of years with an unsettled QB and OL situation.

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but here's the problem...

the hard data doesn't support those statements.

their records at A&M are just about identical midway thru year 5.

and it wasn't supposed to be that way at this point in Jimbo's tenure

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Nope, it wasn't. But that isn't really the point of this argument. The point is whether Jimbo is truly 'no better than Sumlin'.

Would anybody here if they had to hire a new coach between Jimbo and Sumlin...actually choose to hire Sumlin?

The recruiting difference alone, Jimbo is a clear tier above Sumlin in terms of ceiling. Similar records but clearly recruiting is going better, so you pick the guy with the better recruiting. It is a no brainer.

Now, if Jimbo doesn't produce wins, he'll eventually get fired just like Sumlin was. Even with the large buyout, eventually you'll see some folks pony up the money and make a change if the wheels are just coming off.

Of course, all of A&M's enemies and fans of other schools, their argument is that A&M is fated to be mediocre no matter who we hire. That is the narrative. Because we have male cheerleaders and a bunch of weird traditions and we are just Austin's 'little brother' and so our school is destined for failure for eternity with no hope...doesn't matter who the coach is...which is just a bunch of nonsense but that is the narrative the anti-A&M crowd pushes out there.

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At what point do we stop giving a **** about recruiting rankings and start caring about winning games? Like seriously, name a season. Unless the goal is to just forever claim recruiting titles and be the new sips who recruit very well but can never do anything with it.

Constantly repeating that he's a better recruiter just highlights that he's done less with more. If we go 6-6 this year, are you still going to be saying "but he's a better recruiter!"?

Also don't know if you've noticed, but we're close to a month out from the first signing day, and we don't even have a Top 25 class...

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You make good points. To win, you need great recruiting classes. We have that. Now Jimbo needs to convert those into wins. That is on him.
FYI: 247 ranks us at 18.

We lost to App State at home.

That can NOT happen to a team with championship aspirations.

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I still fail to see how Jimbo is this supposed huge upgrade over Coach Sumlin.

Their results look mighty similar. One great season and a bunch of average ones.

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If you can't tell a difference between Jimbo and Sumlin then you need help. Jimbo coaches rings around Sumlin. Sumlin was a flash in the pan. I get it that everybody's frustrated but there is no comparison. My money is on Jimbo figuring this out. The man knows how to coach.

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We are going to look back at this 4 team playoff as an ancient relic and stupid idea like we look back on 48 team NCAA tournaments or other dumb ideas. I want our program to be one that makes the 12 team playoff (or 16 or whatever) consistently. So let's evaluate Sumlin and Jimbo's careers by those standards.

Jimbo:
2010 NO; 10-3 Final BCS ranking #23 Nothing to argue here
2011 NO; 8-4
2012 NO; 11-2 This is one is arguable. The final BCS ranking was #12 but the G5 gets at least one auto qualifier so I won't make that case here.
2013 YES; Undefeated National champions easily in
2014 YES; Undefeated ACC champions and CFP participant
2015 YES; 10-2 #9 in the final CFP poll. This is very good non Jameis team
2016 YES; 10-2 #10 in the final CFP poll. Again another playoff team without Jameis.
2017 NO; 7-6 I don't love that he gave up on this team. But he was out the door.
2018 NO; 8-4 #19 a credit to our brutal schedule. But I think it would take 24 team playoff to get us in
2019 NO; 7-5 Unranked Meh year
2020 YES; #5 finish we would've hosted a playoff game here
2021 NO; Not a great year no excuses
2022 NO; 9-3 finish would put us in the top 15 but the App loss keeps us out

This is wildly underrated career so far. Those Winston-less seasons at FSU were really strong and not talked about. 2023 has to be a year where you're in the mix for top 12. And Jimbo will actually be here for the real 12 team playoff so we'll see. I would guess we'll be in it more often than not.

Just for fun let's compare it to Kevin Sumlin
2008 NO; 8-5 at Cougar high
2009 NO; 10-2 no conference title
2010 NO; 5-7
2011 NO; 12-1 The crown jewel year of the Houston era. But he lost the conference title game and finished #20 in the final BCS poll. With their resume this team doesn't get in
2012 YES; JFF and Sumlin get this 10-2 team to likely host a playoff game
2013 NO; JFF and Sumlin go 8-4. 8-4 teams probably will never dance
2014 NO; 7-5
2015 NO; Unranked 8-4 with no good wins
2016 NO; 8-4 Yawn
2017 NO; 7-5
Arizona Sumlin didn't finish above .500

Point is Sumlin had a nice career. But good/decent coaches are making the playoff once or twice. Jimbo is leagues better than Sumlin and really anyone else you can replace him with. I can't guarantee a title, but I will guarantee meaningful playoff games are in our future with Jimbo.

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If they expand the playoff field to 32 the Ags would be a shoe in most years. Let's do that.

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I still fail to see how Jimbo is this supposed huge upgrade over Coach Sumlin.

Their results look mighty similar. One great season and a bunch of average ones.

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If you can't tell a difference between Jimbo and Sumlin then you need help. Jimbo coaches rings around Sumlin. Sumlin was a flash in the pan. I get it that everybody's frustrated but there is no comparison. My money is on Jimbo figuring this out. The man knows how to coach.

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People will go to great lengths to defend the people they like.

If he coaches rings around Sumlin then why do they have almost the exact same record?
That doesn't make any sense.

There is an old adage that states you are what your record states you are.

Nobody outside of Bryan/College Station respects the 2020 A&M team because it was a covid year. That team has already been forgotten about by the Texas and the National Media because they did not finish in 1st place.

The 2012 team is still (by far) the greatest A&M team of the 21st Century.

If Jimbo gets this team to Atlanta then I will change my mind....but right now all I see is a football program that has not changed a whole lot since Sumlin left.