This is not a loaded question.
There are a lot of variables regarding the QB situation and they're all bad if CW isn't the answer at QB which everyone knows could be the case. then what happens next year?
That scenario obviously would mean that a&m wouldn't have one championship quality qb on campus. this is all very possible. outside of the portal i can't see how jimbo can fix this for at least 2 or 3 years with many roadblocks in the way. everything seems to be riding on CW. i have to say that jimbo has done a very poor job of managing the single most important position on the team. can anyone see the way out of this? i really don't know but maybe someone does?

OLine.
Right now even Pat MaF'nHomes would struggle behind ours.

CW is gonna be a great one. 5 star. If Line blocks he may start for rest of this year and 2-3'more. Max is also going to be great too if he ever gets an OLine that can protect him. CW, a scrambler, will not be quite as dependent on pass pro. Line must get fixed. QBs are there. We will get another one for back up next year.

Step away from the ledge.

Max has had 1/2 year to learn the system and has another year, and Conner about the same. King has had longer, but obviously not as good as Max (appreciate the fight against Bama though).

If Mond can figure it out to some degree, and Jamie's before that, I have confidence Max will get better and Connor will grow to use his talents to the system to his best advantage.

If he gets the start after 2 weeks with reps on 1st Team, it's about as good a situation one could ask for in our current injury state.

isn't it more complicated than putting all blame on the OL? it doesn't seem like anything is being done to keep the defense honest. no screens etc. i guess it's a vicious circle but why is the OL so bad? it's jimbos guys

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isn't it more complicated than putting all blame on the OL? it doesn't seem like anything is being done to keep the defense honest. no screens etc. i guess it's a vicious circle but why is the OL so bad? it's jimbos guys

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There's no 1 player that's the issue. It's a systematic issue, somewhat. Taking us quite a bit longer to gel as a 5 man group.

When they've gotten it right, we've moved the ball. But the 0 and negative plays are mostly attributed to a bust in protections, and/or getting beat in the run game

QB is NOT the problem, it's the person calling the plays.

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isn't it more complicated than putting all blame on the OL? it doesn't seem like anything is being done to keep the defense honest. no screens etc. i guess it's a vicious circle but why is the OL so bad? it's jimbos guys

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1) Being extremely weak at one position can tank an entire offense. You get zero production against SEC caliber teams if you have a very weak:
1) WR corp. If you can't pass, your run game gets stuffed
2) RB corp. If you can't run, you can't pass. If your RB's continually fumble, you won't win games.
3) QB - If you can't pass or run with the QB, offense stinks
4) OL - if you can't block, you can't pass. If you can't block, it's hard to run the ball

Your offense is usually only as good as your weakest link. You can be mediocre at any one of the 4 up there if you are amazing in any one of the other 4, but you can't stink anywhere and be any good against good competition.

"For the knowledgeable"…

OP, come on man. You're basically eliminating all of us.

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This is not a loaded question.
There are a lot of variables regarding the QB situation and they're all bad if CW isn't the answer at QB which everyone knows could be the case. then what happens next year?
That scenario obviously would mean that a&m wouldn't have one championship quality qb on campus. this is all very possible. outside of the portal i can't see how jimbo can fix this for at least 2 or 3 years with many roadblocks in the way. everything seems to be riding on CW. i have to say that jimbo has done a very poor job of managing the single most important position on the team. can anyone see the way out of this? i really don't know but maybe someone does?

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Your assumption that CW is the silver bullet implies Jimbo is the werewolf. Very loaded…

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QB is NOT the problem, it's the person calling the plays.

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Not!

Problem is OL

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4425 said:

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isn't it more complicated than putting all blame on the OL? it doesn't seem like anything is being done to keep the defense honest. no screens etc. i guess it's a vicious circle but why is the OL so bad? it's jimbos guys

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1) Being extremely weak at one position can tank an entire offense. You get zero production against SEC caliber teams if you have a very weak:
1) WR corp. If you can't pass, your run game gets stuffed
2) RB corp. If you can't run, you can't pass. If your RB's continually fumble, you won't win games.
3) QB - If you can't pass or run with the QB, offense stinks
4) OL - if you can't block, you can't pass. If you can't block, it's hard to run the ball

Your offense is usually only as good as your weakest link. You can be mediocre at any one of the 4 up there if you are amazing in any one of the other 4, but you can't stink anywhere and be any good against good competition.

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If you don't have #4, it won't matter how good you are with any of the others

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BLSD said:

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QB is NOT the problem, it's the person calling the plays.

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Not!

Problem is OL

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This x 100.

We know they are young. But the leader (center) is the key, and our L-OL coach is just, well, BAD. Game has passed him. Time to go. Let's not get another chunk-N-Dunk like the OSU guy with the next one either. Jimbo's offense relies on the run, so lets get someone that knows this and can impart this to the line.

Don't forget about the 65 yds of penalties per game

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BusterAg said:

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4425 said:

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isn't it more complicated than putting all blame on the OL? it doesn't seem like anything is being done to keep the defense honest. no screens etc. i guess it's a vicious circle but why is the OL so bad? it's jimbos guys

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1) Being extremely weak at one position can tank an entire offense. You get zero production against SEC caliber teams if you have a very weak:
1) WR corp. If you can't pass, your run game gets stuffed
2) RB corp. If you can't run, you can't pass. If your RB's continually fumble, you won't win games.
3) QB - If you can't pass or run with the QB, offense stinks
4) OL - if you can't block, you can't pass. If you can't block, it's hard to run the ball

Your offense is usually only as good as your weakest link. You can be mediocre at any one of the 4 up there if you are amazing in any one of the other 4, but you can't stink anywhere and be any good against good competition.

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If you don't have #4, it won't matter how good you are with any of the others

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Unless you have JFF

Weigman being the top rated QB in his class is about to prove it in Columbia. There won't be a lot of need for discussion. The matter will be closed soon.

From a scheme perspective, utilize him like Harbaugh does at Michigan with his young QB. Play action, and roll him out, utilize his talent.

go watch McGee's review of the Bama game, there are several plays to be made if HK just runs straight and escapes the pocket. JFF even had to escape the pocket and make plays off schedule. This is not new, nor is it only due to "bad" lines.

every freaking team - even the best lines -- give up plays and get beat on blitzes etc. (unless you go against a 3 man rush - but that is for another day)

Conner is the most highly rated QB recruit we have ever had and is yet to even be given a chance to take a snap....and you're already sounding the alarm that we are going to be without a quality QB next season?

Jesus.

Players get better with time and experience. The QBs that return next year should be better than they are this year. Some guys don't dominate until their senior year and then people forget about their lackluster performance as a freshman or sophomore. Don't give up on the current players just because they aren't lighting it up like a seasoned veteran. Remember that King has two more years. If Weigman doesn't immediately set the world on fire, remember that he's a true freshman and has 3 more years of improvement ahead of him. You shouldn't expect a high school senior to get into college and immediately dominate and you definitely shouldn't rely on that.

If you want to see why A&M has issues just look at the class breakdown.

https://texags.com/aggie-football/class-breakdown

I have seen rating systems in the past that evaluate how successful a team will be by counting how many upperclassmen are in the 2 deep. Even if they don't have elite talent, if they are loaded with seniors they should have a decent season. If they have elite talent they will still likely struggle if they lack veteran players. The truly elite teams have both talent and experience.

That class breakdown shows our OL as having:
8 - Freshmen
5 - Sophomores
2 - JRs
0 - SRs

A great OL will make RBs and QBs to look good. Defenses will have to send more guys to get pressure which will make the receivers job easier, which makes the QBs job easier. Our OL lacks veterans and they have been banged up on top of that. We shouldn't be surprised about the poor performance of the young squad, but we can complain about why we have a young squad.

It remains to be seen what Fisher's plan for Weigman is. I'm hard pressed to find a good reason why Weigman hasn't been afforded a single snap this season. When he does, you're likely to see he gets the ball out in a hurry...very quick release. Plus he's very mobile. I'm going to be interested to watch the sideline interactions with Fisher when Weigman finally gets in a game. Maybe Fisher doesn't like these qualities and prefers standing in the pocket until sacked.

"Serious QB question for the knowledgeable"


Boy .....
Did you come to the wrong place!

BLSD said:

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QB is NOT the problem, it's the person calling the plays.

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No it's not and this **** is tired. It's 100% Oline. Many times we've called places with 1-2 guys rushing without even being touched. You wanna try that out in the hood with no Mississippi's? I'll bury you

Sterling82 said:

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It remains to be seen what Fisher's plan for Weigman is. I'm hard pressed to find a good reason why Weigman hasn't been afforded a single snap this season. When he does, you're likely to see he gets the ball out in a hurry...very quick release. Plus he's very mobile. I'm going to be interested to watch the sideline interactions with Fisher when Weigman finally gets in a game. Maybe Fisher doesn't like these qualities and prefers standing in the pocket until sacked.

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I honestly think he doesn't want him to get hurt. This "messing him up" stuff is nonsense. But him actually getting injured and out for a year or two is an actual real possibility

BLSD said:

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QB is NOT the problem, it's the person calling the plays.

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Haynes king is probably not good enough to be a successful SEC quarterback so QB is part of the problem.
O line is not good and the OC is terrible

4425 said:

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This is not a loaded question.
There are a lot of variables regarding the QB situation and they're all bad if CW isn't the answer at QB which everyone knows could be the case. then what happens next year?
That scenario obviously would mean that a&m wouldn't have one championship quality qb on campus. this is all very possible. outside of the portal i can't see how jimbo can fix this for at least 2 or 3 years with many roadblocks in the way. everything seems to be riding on CW. i have to say that jimbo has done a very poor job of managing the single most important position on the team. can anyone see the way out of this? i really don't know but maybe someone does?

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There is no real answer here. There is no rational, reasonable expectation that we compete for SEC title next season based on who's on roster now. CW may just need more time or he may not be the QB that can take a team to the next level. That remains to be seen on him individually but Jimbo staring down a disastrous first 6 years of 10 year contract. Not even coming close to competing for a division let alone conference title is very telling and alarming.

Haynes King might not be an SEC caliber starting quarterback, but I think the bigger issues are the offensive line and the complexity of the offensive playbook.

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4425 said:

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isn't it more complicated than putting all blame on the OL? it doesn't seem like anything is being done to keep the defense honest. no screens etc. i guess it's a vicious circle but why is the OL so bad? it's jimbos guys

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1) Being extremely weak at one position can tank an entire offense. You get zero production against SEC caliber teams if you have a very weak:
1) WR corp. If you can't pass, your run game gets stuffed
2) RB corp. If you can't run, you can't pass. If your RB's continually fumble, you won't win games.
3) QB - If you can't pass or run with the QB, offense stinks
4) OL - if you can't block, you can't pass. If you can't block, it's hard to run the ball

Your offense is usually only as good as your weakest link. You can be mediocre at any one of the 4 up there if you are amazing in any one of the other 4, but you can't stink anywhere and be any good against good competition.

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If you don't have #4, it won't matter how good you are with any of the others

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Unless you have JFF

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The guy that played behind one of our best OLine's in our history?