I noticed he seems to watch a receiver and wait till he's open to throw the ball. I wonder if this is what was causing the turnover issue last year. Im hoping to see an improvement and he actually goes through his progressions. Just something I noticed from the game film. Also did anyone else notice he seems to have a long throwing motion?
Re-watched King's debut against K-state
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Agree that something was different about hi. He had good stats in that game, but I was uninspired!
His playing demeanor was pretty stoic in my hazy recollection. I look forward to seeing him him get on a roll and find out if this changes.
His playing demeanor was pretty stoic in my hazy recollection. I look forward to seeing him him get on a roll and find out if this changes.
So would you prefer him throw to unopen receivers or perform the Mahomes no-look?
jagged said:
So would you prefer him throw to unopen receivers or perform the Mahomes no-look?
Id prefer him to not look down his receivers and shorten his throwing motion!
Wonder if a year later the kid is better? Maybe practice and work really does pay off? ~sarcasm alert
Did you see any of Reveille and King together in your rewatch? I am really interested to see if Reveille and King have a natural bond and if King willingly reaches out. Reveille is a huge part of our University and football program so if she has instant affinity for our quarterback I think that will speak volumes to our recruits. If you could, post any video of their initial encounter. Any still shots of King petting Reveille would be appreciated - would prefer if taken from the side so I can see as much as possible of both their faces.
AgLaw02 said:
Did you see any of Reveille and King together in your rewatch? I am really interested to see if Reveille and King have a natural bond and if King willingly reaches out. Reveille is a huge part of our University and football program so if she has instant affinity for our quarterback I think that will speak volumes to our recruits. If you could, post any video of their initial encounter. Any still shots of King petting Reveille would be appreciated - would prefer if taken from the side so I can see as much as possible of both their faces.
Great reference.
When he was rehabbing the leg, he was still working on the upper body mechanics and studying film. Haynes grew a lot last year without being on the field. He's ready.
He won the backup role as a freshman. He won the starting role in his second year. He won the starting role again in his third year. He's good, or at least better than anyone we've had the last two seasons. If we just had mediocre QB play, we would have won two more games last season.
He won the backup role as a freshman. He won the starting role in his second year. He won the starting role again in his third year. He's good, or at least better than anyone we've had the last two seasons. If we just had mediocre QB play, we would have won two more games last season.
This.DimebagsGhost said:
Wonder if a year later the kid is better? Maybe practice and work really does pay off? ~sarcasm alert
That was the young man's first meaningful snaps against live opposition without a green jersey. Cut him some slack and let's evaluate him for this year's body of work. Some of you guys would determine a kid could never learn to ride a bicycle because he fell the first couple of attempts.
The offense was faster in that first game last year. Rest of year was clunky for the most part and looked inept as a whole for long stretches of games. Kent St defense finished #124 in total defense so that has to be factored in. Without a top defense last season we likely wouldn't have been .500.
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Saw King play in HS and he is not a natural passer but that was three years ago. We'll see if King has progressed under Jimbo. Unlike last year if he falters......
We just can't have a qb throwing to an open receiver, you know like when he hit Ainias in stride in that game. only for him to drop it. That could have been a house call, who knows. Did you actually go back and watch the game? If CW had the same stat line from that game last year, all we'd hear is that he has "it". It was his 1st college game, he did just fine. We couldn't block Kent State at some points in that game, it's not like he had time to sit back there and go through his "progressions" on every play. The 3 picks have taken on a life of their own, there wasn't a really bad one. For the definition of bad, see Mond against Auburn a few years ago.Bad Poster said:
I noticed he seems to watch a receiver and wait till he's open to throw the ball. I wonder if this is what was causing the turnover issue last year. Im hoping to see an improvement and he actually goes through his progressions. Just something I noticed from the game film. Also did anyone else notice he seems to have a long throwing motion?
King is a fine quarterback and he's our starter going into this season. I doubt he'll be perfect but I expect he will be good, maybe even great. I look forward to seeing him play.
Do people just ignore the fact that 2 of the 3 picks in that Kent St game were tipped balls and totally random? I have a lot of confidence in King's ability to operate the offense and I think he opens up a lot of the playbook that just wasn't there with Calzada in the game. He does have a little bit slower release than I'd like. Or at least it appears that way on tape.
Will he be in NY for the Heisman ceremony? No he probably won't. But he'll be a solid QB1 in the SEC.
Will he be in NY for the Heisman ceremony? No he probably won't. But he'll be a solid QB1 in the SEC.
This is perfect. A pre-packaged TexAgian complaint about QB1 that people who know exceptionally little about football can get behind.
QB1 looks at his receivers, he stands too slow, and then he, waits, to see if they're open. This cannot happen, QB2 does not do this, of course, QB2 knows precisely who will be open, and when that will occur, instinctively. QB2 stands faster, not as stoically.
QB1 looks at his receivers, he stands too slow, and then he, waits, to see if they're open. This cannot happen, QB2 does not do this, of course, QB2 knows precisely who will be open, and when that will occur, instinctively. QB2 stands faster, not as stoically.
You do realize that this is waaaay to rational and likely too accurate to post on TexAgs right?Sterling82 said:
King is a fine quarterback and he's our starter going into this season. I doubt he'll be perfect but I expect he will be good, maybe even great. I look forward to seeing him play.
I just remember the start of the Colorado game. King was scared and the CU D eat him alive - they also came out on fire. Then King went down and we were so fortunate to win the game against what was a very mediocre team. I hope we don't see that King.
What?Coloaggie85 said:
I just remember the start of the Colorado game. King was scared and the CU D eat him alive - they also came out on fire. Then King went down and we were so fortunate to win the game against what was a very mediocre team. I hope we don't see that King.
I agree that against Kent St he looked a bit like he was overthinking things, but it's his first meaningful action so we'll see if another season has him feeling more in command.
As far as the picks, I agree. 1 was a bad decision, 1 was deflected at the line, and the other bounced off the receiver… I'm not going to start comparing him to Nathan Peterman just yet.
As far as the picks, I agree. 1 was a bad decision, 1 was deflected at the line, and the other bounced off the receiver… I'm not going to start comparing him to Nathan Peterman just yet.
TopoTacos said:
I agree that against Kent St he looked a bit like he was overthinking things, but it's his first meaningful action so we'll see if another season has him feeling more in command.
As far as the picks, I agree. 1 was a bad decision, 1 was deflected at the line, and the other bounced off the receiver… I'm not going to start comparing him to Nathan Peterman just yet.
There were 1 or 2 that sailed the receiver and could have been caught by kent st, but nobody is bringing those up.
Im not calling king a terrible qb. Just that i wish he would shorten his release and not look down the receiver
Didn't we just have a thread talking about how Kings average reaction time before passing is faster than the average NFL QB, and he needed to slow down or we will have too many turnovers?
Just trying to make sense of what is true and what is people just complaining because we didn't run the TD play.
Here is the thread, and I was wrong, it was just praising his speed:
https://texags.com/forums/5/topics/3311045
Just trying to make sense of what is true and what is people just complaining because we didn't run the TD play.
Here is the thread, and I was wrong, it was just praising his speed:
https://texags.com/forums/5/topics/3311045
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Do people just ignore the fact that 2 of the 3 picks in that Kent St game were tipped balls and totally random? I have a lot of confidence in King's ability to operate the offense and I think he opens up a lot of the playbook that just wasn't there with Calzada in the game. He does have a little bit slower release than I'd like. Or at least it appears that way on tape.
I don't think it was all bad luck. On his first pick the ball seemed tipped by Wydermeyer or he throw behind the receiver but it was not a great throw (4:55 Mark). He was the ball it into a very crowded area.
The second one was just a bad. King stared the receiver down. The CB jumped it easily. (5:40 Mark)
The third one was tipped by a D Lineman. You can't call that totally random. (9:15 Mark)
Using your logic you could say any incomplete pass could have been caught by Kent st. What a pessimistic outlook. He missed 2 or 3 high. It happens. He also had about 60-70 yards worth of drops by Smith and Weidermeyer. The whole stares down receivers gets far over played by fans and game announcers. Every QB is going to be looking at a receiver before they throw it. People just love to talk about that if there's an interception. He worked through his progressions quite well actually. 1 pick was a bad decision. The other 2 I don't even put on King. The one on the roll out our WR and Weidermeyer had horrible spacing and caused him to try to throw it around Weidermeyer and it got tipped up in the air. The 3rd was tipped at the line. Give their defenders credit, they made great plays on the tips but it wasn't awful play by King. The QB is going to always get the blame as the stat goes on him but fairly evaluating him he played a solid game, was quite accurate, and more than anything was decisive which we have missed from the position. Between Mond and Calzada we've watched for too many years QB's afraid to pull the trigger. Mond was great at not turning it over but at the same time he was scared to ever throw the ball. With our talent around him, and our defense, King just needs to be good. Not even spectacular, just consistently good.Bad Poster said:TopoTacos said:
I agree that against Kent St he looked a bit like he was overthinking things, but it's his first meaningful action so we'll see if another season has him feeling more in command.
As far as the picks, I agree. 1 was a bad decision, 1 was deflected at the line, and the other bounced off the receiver… I'm not going to start comparing him to Nathan Peterman just yet.
There were 1 or 2 that sailed the receiver and could have been caught by kent st, but nobody is bringing those up.
Im not calling king a terrible qb. Just that i wish he would shorten his release and not look down the receiver
Sumlin is losing control of the Quarterbacks all over again!!!!!
Most of the times he got into trouble he had wide open check downs. I'd bet he's learned to hit those.
Coloaggie85 said:
I just remember the start of the Colorado game. King was scared and the CU D eat him alive - they also came out on fire. Then King went down and we were so fortunate to win the game against what was a very mediocre team. I hope we don't see that King.
Whatever. But I guess he wasn't scared as a true freshman when he took the field vs. Bama in Tuscaloosa and marched the team right down the field against Bama's #1 D and took several big hits when he ran the ball?!?
OP doesn't have game film and doesn't know what he is watching. Jimbo has stated 2 of the 3 INTs were not on the QB, though the 1 that was obviously was bad. But overall for a first start that was one of the better FR Aggie QB debuts we have ever seen. If CW played this weekend and put up those #s TexAgs and the OP would be going crazy about how awesome he was.
If you focus on the MANY positives from King vs. Kent State you will see he made ALOT of excellent throws that Mond did not make until he was a Sr. Hell in the video above
One of the stupidest things of all TexAgs posters and OP is "starting down receivers"...... first there is always a primary and secondary receiver and those reads are usually not on opposite sides of the field. Second based on the play call and what the QB perceives as the defense he already knows based on what he sees pre-snap and their initial reaction post-snap where he needs to go with the ball. Third and most importantly, you have no idea where the QB is looking, only what side or half of the field he is looking at.
If King or any A&M QB was starting down a WR and not getting through is reads and progressions he would not be on the field in a competitive game, period.
Hell in the video linked the throw at 0;45, one of the first of the game, completely refutes / destroys OPs points / complaints.
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I don't think it was all bad luck. On his first pick the ball seemed tipped by Wydermeyer or he throw behind the receiver but it was not a great throw (4:55 Mark). He was the ball it into a very crowded area.
I didn't see anything wrong with the throw. The ball looked like it would have hit Lane, the intended receiver, right in the numbers had Jalen not tipped it. Jaylen peeled off his block and floated into a bad spot. That was bad luck.
The last pick was a glaring bad decision. He was rolling left and threw a panic ball when he could have slid or run out of bounds.
first college start jitters, perhaps?evestor1 said:
Agree that something was different about hi. He had good stats in that game, but I was uninspired!
His playing demeanor was pretty stoic in my hazy recollection. I look forward to seeing him him get on a roll and find out if this changes.
Pick 1: He was targeting Lane and Wydermeyer tipped the ball. In my opinion that would have been a completion or at worst an incompletion had Wydermeyer not tipped it. Pretty bad luck. I could just as easily blame route design or route running/timing as you could blame King for it.Windy City Ag said:Quote:
Do people just ignore the fact that 2 of the 3 picks in that Kent St game were tipped balls and totally random? I have a lot of confidence in King's ability to operate the offense and I think he opens up a lot of the playbook that just wasn't there with Calzada in the game. He does have a little bit slower release than I'd like. Or at least it appears that way on tape.
I don't think it was all bad luck. On his first pick the ball seemed tipped by Wydermeyer or he throw behind the receiver but it was not a great throw (4:55 Mark). He was the ball it into a very crowded area.
The second one was just a bad. King stared the receiver down. The CB jumped it easily. (5:40 Mark)
The third one was tipped by a D Lineman. You can't call that totally random. (9:15 Mark)
Pick 2: Bad. Forced a throw and stared his guy down. Agreed.
Pick 3. Pretty hard to put the blame on King for a ball tipped at the line. If you do, then you are just looking for a reason to put the blame on him. To me that's just one of those things that happens and sucks.
If neither ball in Pick 1 and 3 is tipped there's a decent chance they are caught, especially the third one that was tipped at the line. But if both tipped balls end up incomplete then nobody is even talking about it. Sure I'll admit that King is not totally blameless if we are going to bust his balls for throwing a ball into traffic on Pick 1. But in both of those specific cases an incompletion is just as likely as an interception if not more so. Just got bad bounces. That's all I am saying.
Never mind that Pick 3 came immediately after a dime to Chapman. I am really optimistic about what the offense can look like with King running it. Maybe I'll be proven wrong but the Kent St game is not nearly enough to condemn him for me.
Projecting King's success in 2022 based on his only full game in 2021 (first collegiate start) is absolutely meaningless. He could be an all time great. He could be terrible. But anyone making predictions based on Kent State is BS-ing.
Let's go, Brandon!
NoahAg said:
Projecting King's success in 2022 based on his only full game in 2021 (first collegiate start) is absolutely meaningless. He could be an all time great. He could be terrible. But anyone making predictions based on Kent State is BS-ing.
But, but, but the spring game. And that 45 second clip of him warming up during one of the practices (read in whatever sarcastic voice of your choosing). It's hard to imagine how people get so emotionally attached and defiant from such limited information.
Because the glass is half full....
With 80 proof at thatthw4h4 said:
Because the glass is half full....
jagged said:
So would you prefer him throw to unopen receivers or perform the Mahomes no-look?
I think you may not understand how the passing game works after high school ..... you have to "know" (recognize) who is going to be open and throw them open. If you wait until they are "open" like we fans interpret open, it's often way too late.
Why, yes. Yes they do.Quote:
Do people just ignore the fact that 2 of the 3 picks in that Kent St game were tipped balls and totally random?
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