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There's an old saying, best to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

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You want to use more than one year?

How many QBs have gotten "meaningful snaps" with Jimbo running the show?

I mean, King's injury was a LB swinging him like a piñata while Calzada's was a defender rolling onto his ankle/knee in the pocket…

Not much you can do from a technique standpoint to eliminate freak injuries like that. It's football and stuff happens.

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Very unlikely the same guy makes it all the way to the finish of the season. We'll need multiple guys to play high leverage snaps. Good news is, we have that depth.

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Care to guess how many SEC teams made it through the entire season without having a second QB take meaningful snaps? Since you clearly don't know, I'll help you, 5 out of 14, about 35%.

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You went from "Very unlikely the same guy makes it all the way to the finish of the season", to "without having a second QB take meaningful snaps".

Any of the could indeed have a season-ending injury, that's common sense. Is really very likely that happens?

We (and Jimbo) had a great run with Mond, he was extremely durable and consistent enough to maintain the job for three straight years.

At Florida State, Jimbo had half of his seasons with at least two QB's taking snaps in game situations that mattered. In one of his other seasons, he started a freshman who went wire-to-wire and had one of the great freshman campaigns in recent memory.

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I mean, King's injury was a LB swinging him like a piñata while Calzada's was a defender rolling onto his ankle/knee in the pocket…

Not much you can do from a technique standpoint to eliminate freak injuries like that. It's football and stuff happens.

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Exactly.

And history says you are at least 50% likely to need a second QB at some point in the season whether driven by injury or inconsistent play. Really not sure how this is a contentious statement.

They will play based on the competition. But a starter will be named before then and that will be the guy. Jimbo doesn't play that game

Will be interesting to see if all three get playing time in the first two games, especially if they end up blow-outs? Does Jimbo maximize reps for the starter, or does he get some in game experience from the other two?

To date he's been a maximize reps for the starter guy. Once game is out of hand then we'll see #2 and depending on when #2 QB goes in we might see #3.

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They will play based on the competition. But a starter will be named before then and that will be the guy. Jimbo doesn't play that game

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Not always the case. Jimbo WILL "play that game" when he thinks it's right.

Since Jimbo's been here at Texas A&M, he has gone into the season with a chosen starter. He had an incumbent Mond for two seasons and then chose Haynes last year. So here at A&M you are correct.

However, Jimbo has gone into seasons with two QB's splitting time. In 2004 at LSU JaMarcus Russell and Marcus Randall split snaps from the opener through the entire season.

In 2007, his first year at Florida State, Jimbo quick-hooked Drew Weatherford in favor of Xaver Lee and ended up playing 3 guys for significant snaps during the season.

Same thing happened in 2008 in game 3 where Christian Ponder was pulled for ineffectiveness and replaced by D'Vontrey Richardson. Ponder played most of the season, but was pulled in multiple games for a replacement.

Christian Ponder did get the clear nod to start in 2009, but EJ Manuel ended up playing more than a third of the total snaps.

Once again, Ponder and Manuel went into 2010 as co-starters and Jimbo didn't settle on Ponder until game 3. Still, EJ Manuel again played about 25% of the snaps.

Finally with Ponder gone, Manuel was the undisputed starter in 2011. Again though, injury forced Clint Trickett to play 3 games during the season.

In 2012, for the first time in 8 seasons, Jimbo had a QB go wire-to-wire with EJ Manuel. 2013-14 saw Jameis Winston control the position giving Jimbo a good 3 season run of QB stability.

In 2015, Everett Golson won the job out of camp, but Sean Maguire took over mid-way through the season due to injury. Francios made it through 2016 as the guy wire-to-wire, but was injured in early 2017 and James Blackman took most of the snaps.

Mond had a great run of durability from 2018-2020 and then finally last year of course, Haynes won the spot was injured early.

So, Jimbo will manage the QB position in a variety of different ways depending on what he thinks is best for the team. Jimbo has gone into 2 seasons out of 16 with a clearly undecided starting QB. In an additional 8 seasons he's had multiple guys play significantly due to either injury or poor play.

Someone above had asked why just look at last year, well, there you have it, 17 seasons of Jimbo's history and 10 of them have seen multiple guys getting important playing time.

So in your opinion….

We can run math back to all the times Jimbo wasn't a head coach prior to 2010, and count those.

But has Daryl Dickey had anything to do with who our starting QB was? (No, he really didn't.)

Yes, in my opinion looking at Jimbo's history is appropriate. I don't think Saban hired Jimbo, with his pedigree, to be the OC and QB coach so that he could countermand Jimbo's recommendation or force his mandate down Jimbo's throat. Not that I don't think Saban would do that, he most certainly would and has, I just don't think he would do it to Jimbo on the offensive side of the ball.

Same goes for Bowden, even more so at the stage of his reign that Jimbo was hired. I think it is a near certainty that Jimbo had full authority on the offensive side of the ball.

Either way, whether the final decisions were Jimbo's or the HC, Jimbo was heavily involved without question and the history still stands as a relevant data point.

If you run the math or handicap things a little differently because Jimbo wasn't the head-man in the earlier part of his background, that's fine I understand that. Opinions vary and we're all entitled to our own.

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Yes, in my opinion looking at Jimbo's history is appropriate. I don't think Saban hired Jimbo, with his pedigree, to be the OC and QB coach so that he could countermand Jimbo's recommendation or force his mandate down Jimbo's throat.

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Saban didn't hire Jimbo.

So if you want to keep doing bad math, keep including years he wasn't a head coach.

When he was-multiple QBs ain't been the jam.

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Yes, in my opinion looking at Jimbo's history is appropriate. I don't think Saban hired Jimbo, with his pedigree, to be the OC and QB coach so that he could countermand Jimbo's recommendation or force his mandate down Jimbo's throat.

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Saban didn't hire Jimbo.

So if you want to keep doing bad math, keep including years he wasn't a head coach.

When he was-multiple QBs ain't been the jam.

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Like I said earlier, you're entitled to you opinion, but not your own facts.

Saban most certainly did hire Jimbo. If you're going to dig your heels in and be obstinate about something fairly innocuous at least don't be this wrong.

This from an ESPN article back in 2017: "The West Virginia ties that bind Nick Saban and Jimbo Fisher"

.....But they'd never met. Not until December 1999. That's when Saban, about to leave Michigan State for LSU, summoned Fisher and a fellow West Virginian, legendary offensive line coach Rick Trickett of Masontown, 35 miles east of Monongah. Earlier that year, Trickett had gone back home to be the head coach at Glenville College.
"I was still at my house at Michigan State and I called Trick," Saban remembers. "I had seen Cincinnati, and they'd damn near beat Ohio State. We played Ohio State that year, so I saw the game, and I was wondering to myself, who's the coordinator at Cincinnati? I asked Trick, and he said, 'It's Jimbo. Jimbo's from Clarksburg!' So I had Jimbo and Trickett both come out to my house at Michigan."
"It was really, really comfortable immediately," Fisher says of the meeting. "You've got three guys from West Virginia, talking about home and talking about football."
Fisher remembers the two-hour chat with Saban as politely intense. "He was very direct. He knew what he wanted and you could tell he was an in-charge guy. He knew what he wanted and how he wanted it."
It wasn't scary at all. If anything, it was familiar. It felt like home. "Talking with Nick was very similar to what I grew up with," Fisher adds.
Says Saban: "I hired them both on the spot."

15 minutes till the official reveal? Jimbo's press conference is at 2pm. Texags has the article written up to discuss Haynes as the starter. Any changes now would through all the experts for a loop.

Well 20ag07, I guess Jimbo seems to think that Jimbo was in charge of the QB decisions at LSU in '04. You'll have to drop him a note to remind him he wasn't the head coach.

He also mentioned the Patrick NIx/Dameyune Craig Auburn squad. I hadn't gone that far back, but remember it now.

It's only my opinion clearly, but based on Jimbo's body language and the way he chose to answer some of the questions, I don't think it's settled yet.

Like I said before, he's going to make the decision he thinks is best for the team and that could run across any scenario from a clearly designated starter to multiple guys getting game reps to help differentiate the lead horse.

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15 minutes till the official reveal? Jimbo's press conference is at 2pm. Texags has the article written up to discuss Haynes as the starter. Any changes now would through all the experts for a loop.

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I throughed and I'm not even a former drip!!!

2PM on a Wed is way too early to be drunkenly incoherent.

Can you please tell us more about Jimbo's body language, and what that means for this year's starting QB?

I'd LOVE to hear those theories.

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Can you please tell us more about Jimbo's body language, and what that means for this year's starting QB?

I'd LOVE to hear those theories.

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No problem at all, happy to tell you my thoughts at this stage:

1) I don't think it concerns Jimbo to go into a season with multiple guys getting 1T reps. He would probably prefer a clear #1, but he's willing to let it play until he's ready to decide.

2) It could go either way (a designated #1 or an earn-in), but my guess is on multiple guys getting snaps in the 1st half of game 1.

3) Jimbo's body language is strong, bordering on over-bearing, but he's got a good heart.

4) We're going to be good at the QB position regardless of who starts. Our depth is excellent.

Haynes seems like he breaks easily.. hope I'm wrong

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Haynes seems like he breaks easily.. hope I'm wrong

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He's only broke once.....

WhiteYaloo said:

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Haynes seems like he breaks easily.. hope I'm wrong

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Man gets injured once and he "breaks easily".

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Hope I'm wrong but if King does get the starting job he will go down with a leg injury before SEC play. Injury prone.

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One injury and he's injury prone? Tom Brady tore an ACL, is he injury prone too?

We should call up this guy!