I enjoy reading these threads where people really show their asses. Message boards are definitely a zoo.

It all depends upon the type of university you want A&M to be - broad based research intensive university or a university with some areas of excellence. Right now A&M is strong in engineering and business, but below average in the biological/medical sciences.

The other SEC members are not going to "boot" the Nashville TV market.

Hope that helps.

1st Generation Ag said:

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The other SEC members are not going to "boot" the Nashville TV market.

Hope that helps.

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you think vanderbilt is what gets the Nashville market? seriously?

Vanderbilt and the Mississippi schools will be in the SEC as long as ESPN, FOX, Apple or Amazon or whoever is showing SEC games say they want the schools in the conference. No one knows what's going on. I am sure that Phil Knight has been working the phones to make sure his Ducks have a home. I can't see Washington and Oregon settling for the Big 12. The problem is that it's a long ways to Seattle from anywhere. Also there are a lot of folks in red sport coats in Pasadena who are very, very nervous right now. The only thing would be for the Rose Bowl to have the game between the winner of B1G and SEC playoffs. Of course I highly doubt this game would be on January 1st.

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Vanderbilt and the Mississippi schools will be in the SEC as long as ESPN, FOX, Apple or Amazon or whoever is showing SEC games say they want the schools in the conference. No one knows what's going on. I am sure that Phil Knight has been working the phones to make sure his Ducks have a home. I can't see Washington and Oregon settling for the Big 12. The problem is that it's a long ways to Seattle from anywhere. Also there are a lot of folks in red sport coats in Pasadena who are very, very nervous right now. The only thing would be for the Rose Bowl to have the game between the winner of B1G and SEC playoffs. Of course I highly doubt this game would be on January 1st.

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Was reading about the events of 2009-2011. It was 2009 when Delany announced the B1G was looking to expand. That caused a lot of programs and conferences to take a beat and reassess.

Bill Byrne was AD then. He was more amenable to a potential PAC move than the administration or the fans. I think he scheduled some minor sports to compete with PAC teams. Plus, Pat Henry had the track guys doing well and attending a national meet in Oregon, etc.

The logistics and travel time was very hard on the athletes and they lost an extra day from class just because of the travel time. (No flights available to get back home after the competitions ended.)

I would imagine the same issue is being evaluated by the Oregon and Washington schools about any deal with the Big XII.

BMX Bandit said:

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1st Generation Ag said:

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The other SEC members are not going to "boot" the Nashville TV market.

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you think vanderbilt is what gets the Nashville market? seriously?

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I do. Vandy is the hometown team, and that's how the networks look at it.

Dispute that if you can, but at least we would be arguing over the right thing. Point is that the networks don't look at this like the OP does. We fans think about conference membership in terms of team strength, but it's all about markets to the networks.

1st Generation Ag said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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1st Generation Ag said:

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The other SEC members are not going to "boot" the Nashville TV market.

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you think vanderbilt is what gets the Nashville market? seriously?

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I do. Vandy is the hometown team, and that's how the networks look at it.

Dispute that if you can, but at least we would be arguing over the right thing. Point is that the networks don't look at this like the OP does. We fans think about conference membership in terms of team strength, but it's all about markets to the networks.

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the networks do not care that Vanderbilt is in Nashville.

the vols are what delivers that market. if vandy leaves the conference, it has zero effect

1st Generation Ag said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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1st Generation Ag said:

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The other SEC members are not going to "boot" the Nashville TV market.

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you think vanderbilt is what gets the Nashville market? seriously?

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I do. Vandy is the hometown team, and that's how the networks look at it.

Dispute that if you can, but at least we would be arguing over the right thing. Point is that the networks don't look at this like the OP does. We fans think about conference membership in terms of team strength, but it's all about markets to the networks.

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You realize that by getting A&M, the SEC got Dallas, Houston & San Antonio, right -- the SEC didn't care about College Station.

There are *far* more Vols-alum in Nashville than Vandy-grads.

That said, Vanderbilt isnt going anywhere -- but the logic that SEC is keeping Vandy to keep Nashville is entirely wrong.

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And here's why you should now no it longer is- FOX just took one market they were in business in, and by doing so, totally devalued a bunch of other ones where they are in business. To the point they didn't care about keeping unless this next deal is cheap.

And they did it bc they thought the strength of schedule for the Big 10 would create more games people would want to pay for in certain markets.

I think 10 conference games per year balances home abd away and significantly increases the watchability of top-tier college football specifically in the best conferences. Rotating through all conference opponents in two years or less is adequate, but the only thing preventing a 10-game schedule is bowl eligibility. Obvious solution is expand the playoff and use bowls as the reward for the rest of seniors. Remove the 6 game requirement or gate it with a highest APR (academic progress rate) requirement if necessary (best APR of 5 win teams, then 4-win, etc.) if necessary.

But what would be interesting to know is how many conference games ESPN and Fox recommend…

Vandy is a charter member, we have a better chance of getting removed than Vandy does. Neither is going to happen.

This is just dumb.

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So it looks like we can get rid of the sips when they start acting like sips.

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There is a reason Alabama; Auburn; LSU; UGA; Florida; and Tennessee are historically the SEC Big 6. They won't put up with BS from any of the newbies. They are all plenty big enough to not be pushed around by anyone including Texas.

You really think anyone in the SEC offices cares what Auburn has to say?

Now that is funny stuff.

I've been thinking about it and I've changed my mind. If we want to be the supreme conference, we really should kick out the marginal and inconsequential teams and build a conference of nothing but heavyweight powerhouses.

1st Generation Ag said:

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The other SEC members are not going to "boot" the Nashville TV market.

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Yup, no other team in Tennessee could carry Thad market, just like ags only carry houston, no other Texas markets

We need to boot the Mississippi schools, Vandy, Kentucky, and Mizoo, then add schools that are national powerhouse heavyweights. Thus, creating THE super conference.

P. S. I forgot bout South Carolina, they need to go too.

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We fans think about conference membership in terms of team strength, but it's all about markets to the networks.

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And here's why you should now no it longer is- FOX just took one market they were in business in, and by doing so, totally devalued a bunch of other ones where they are in business. To the point they didn't care about keeping unless this next deal is cheap.

And they did it bc they thought the strength of schedule for the Big 10 would create more games people would want to pay for in certain markets.

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I'm pretty sure team strength means something and market size does not mean everything. Otherwise Bama and OU would be playing in the sun belt conference.

Idk how this thread is still ongoing. Nobody is getting booted, certainly not a founding member

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Idk how this thread is still ongoing. Nobody is getting booted, certainly not a founding member

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Agreed, this is what the SEC has to consider:

1. If you boot out SEC members due to their perceived "weaker" football teams, in the terms of the arrogant Ags here, despite it seemingly strengthening the SEC on paper it may come at the cost of the higher probability of cannibalization which will eventually hurt the SEC...

2. If the SEC were to expand to being a 16+ team superconference due to logistics, desire for the preservation of rivalries, and the higher incidence of teams that are tied with the best record being passed over for the conference title game (in the past this was settled by a co-championship a la Baylor/TU in 2014) that some teams may possibly split off as what happened to the SoCon (parent conference of both the SEC and ACC) and the WAC (parent conference of the MWC)....

With a total of at 130+ teams in Division I-FBS/Division I-A, I believe that there should be a limit of 12 teams per conference and at the end of the season at the discretion of each conference either the best two teams, or, each divisional winner play in the conference title game (at the home of the highest ranked conference team).

This is how a 16-team playoff should be in Division I-FBS/Division I-A:

• 10 Automatic bids to each conference champion
• Six At-large bids to the highest ranked available teams regardless of conference
• Playoff games at home of the higher-ranked playoff team
• A sponsored national championship game at a predetermined NY6 bowl site

In my opinion, this may save college football from a possible self-implosion...

1st Generation Ag said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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1st Generation Ag said:

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The other SEC members are not going to "boot" the Nashville TV market.

Hope that helps.

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you think vanderbilt is what gets the Nashville market? seriously?

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I do. Vandy is the hometown team, and that's how the networks look at it.

Dispute that if you can, but at least we would be arguing over the right thing. Point is that the networks don't look at this like the OP does. We fans think about conference membership in terms of team strength, but it's all about markets to the networks.

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Dallas is not SMU dominant and cougar high is not dominant in the Houston market

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1st Generation Ag said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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1st Generation Ag said:

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The other SEC members are not going to "boot" the Nashville TV market.

Hope that helps.

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you think vanderbilt is what gets the Nashville market? seriously?

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I do. Vandy is the hometown team, and that's how the networks look at it.

Dispute that if you can, but at least we would be arguing over the right thing. Point is that the networks don't look at this like the OP does. We fans think about conference membership in terms of team strength, but it's all about markets to the networks.

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Dallas is not SMU dominant and cougar high is not dominant in the Houston market

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I still believe that of Coach Herman would have stayed at UH and built that program more, UH would have been the first G5 team to make the Division I-FBS playoff and perhaps a dominant team in Texas...

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Mississippi State is a CUSA team without their coattail money they've gotten and will get.

South Carolina is probably one too.

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South Carolina was added when we refused to go with Arkansas to the SEC, which was the plan.