tldr

Given the circumstances 8-4 doesn't disappoint me as much as how we got there. Uninspired first halves against Arky, Ole Miss and LSU. Being totally unprepared against MSU. Going into year 5, the expectations of truly competing for the SEC west and a SEC championship appearance should be an absolute minimum.

Yep, we looked unprepared in the first halves of several games including Miss State, Ole Miss, LSU, Colorado, etc.

Well, we made it through the night and have had time to read, *****, gripe, whatever.....

So, after consideration:

1. Do you want Fisher to be taken by LSU? Yes or no answer is all that is required here.

2. If so, state your coach, knowing that at least 4 major programs are in line ahead of us at this point in their search for a replacement. Remember the media and LSU wants Jimbo and would take him in a heartbeat. So in this case LSU has Jimbo. Also, please explain WHY your choice is better than Jimbo. Realistic choice and reasoning behind it.

3. Do you think our recruiting, like THIS class would suffer? In December? January? Take into consideration your answer to #1 and #2 above, and back your answer, realistically with your replacement.

4. After answering #1-3 above, why do you think the media has forced, yes forced the narrative Jimbo is going to end up at LSU? Why would they keep it up? Even after Jimbos comments that he's staying? Are they doing it for fun? Remember, they make a living off of these comments and have a reputation they'll have to stand behind.

5. After answering the questions 1-4 above, how many years will it take for your replacement to bring us to the SEC West division leader, keeping in mind OU and t.u. are here in the next two years. Two years, not their contract.

SBDavis87 said:

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Old Sarge said:

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My OP was written and copied from when Texags was down and the structure did not carry well.

So, with all that, with my questions in the OP, who do you think we can get NOW to do any better? If you are going to throw out "get rid of Jimbo now", who do you think we can get better?

I don't think we can. I like Jimbo as our HC.

But if you don't, and if you think he's not the best we can do for now, give your reasons for another coach, and why it could be better.

Without that, and my questions in the OP, ( which I apologize for the structure as copied from Word in the Texags lock), who and how, and why, realistically do you think you have a coach that is better than Jimbo?

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Ed O has a national champ and has proven to be better.
Great recruiter.
My sources tell me he's available ole sarge.

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Well, would you trade him for Jimbo? Yes or no.

Jimbo is the best coach this school can get. Better hope Jimbo pulls a Harbaugh and keeps getting better.

I think it was a serviceable year given the circumstances. QB goes down early and in reality the backup did okay. OL is young and struggled at times but got somewhat better as the year went along. Play calling looks good when it works and bad when it doesn't, that's just the way it is. Defense looks really good until we went to a three man front, or played prevent on certain downs.

I trust Jimbo and the process more than any of the current head coach opinions out there right now.

AustinAg2K said:

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The "who do we get that's better" take is pretty weak. Sumlin turned in 8-4 records pretty regularly, and most would agree that he sucked. We're not going to fall off a cliff with another coach. There are plenty of other guys out there that can get you 8-4.

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With a backup QB that can only use half his body?

One official makes the right call and this thread doesn't exist.

It's not coaching.

SBDavis87 said:

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Old Sarge said:

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My OP was written and copied from when Texags was down and the structure did not carry well.

So, with all that, with my questions in the OP, who do you think we can get NOW to do any better? If you are going to throw out "get rid of Jimbo now", who do you think we can get better?

I don't think we can. I like Jimbo as our HC.

But if you don't, and if you think he's not the best we can do for now, give your reasons for another coach, and why it could be better.

Without that, and my questions in the OP, ( which I apologize for the structure as copied from Word in the Texags lock), who and how, and why, realistically do you think you have a coach that is better than Jimbo?

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Ed O has a national champ and has proven to be better.
Great recruiter.
My sources tell me he's available ole sarge.

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Also has more recent natty

Old Sarge said:

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Well, we made it through the night and have had time to read, *****, gripe, whatever.....

So, after consideration:

1. Do you want Fisher to be taken by LSU? Yes or no answer is all that is required here.

2. If so, state your coach, knowing that at least 4 major programs are in line ahead of us at this point in their search for a replacement. Remember the media and LSU wants Jimbo and would take him in a heartbeat. So in this case LSU has Jimbo. Also, please explain WHY your choice is better than Jimbo. Realistic choice and reasoning behind it.

3. Do you think our recruiting, like THIS class would suffer? In December? January? Take into consideration your answer to #1 and #2 above, and back your answer, realistically with your replacement.

4. After answering #1-3 above, why do you think the media has forced, yes forced the narrative Jimbo is going to end up at LSU? Why would they keep it up? Even after Jimbos comments that he's staying? Are they doing it for fun? Remember, they make a living off of these comments and have a reputation they'll have to stand behind.

5. After answering the questions 1-4 above, how many years will it take for your replacement to bring us to the SEC West division leader, keeping in mind OU and t.u. are here in the next two years. Two years, not their contract.

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I don't know the answer to the question you keep trying to shove down our throats. I do know that for what we pay jimbo, we should be getting more than 8 wins and a toilet bowl.

tandy miller said:

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SBDavis87 said:

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Old Sarge said:

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My OP was written and copied from when Texags was down and the structure did not carry well.

So, with all that, with my questions in the OP, who do you think we can get NOW to do any better? If you are going to throw out "get rid of Jimbo now", who do you think we can get better?

I don't think we can. I like Jimbo as our HC.

But if you don't, and if you think he's not the best we can do for now, give your reasons for another coach, and why it could be better.

Without that, and my questions in the OP, ( which I apologize for the structure as copied from Word in the Texags lock), who and how, and why, realistically do you think you have a coach that is better than Jimbo?

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Ed O has a national champ and has proven to be better.
Great recruiter.
My sources tell me he's available ole sarge.

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Also has more recent natty

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Ed O has a more recent Natty, and is available.

Go on record, because it might come true. Would you straight up trade Jimbo for Ed O? Yes, or no?

It's not going to come true, so it really doesn't matter.

Can you honestly say, based on how much we pay Jim Bob, that we're getting our $$$ worth? Not when his recruiting classes mature, but NOW. Jimbo is getting payed playoff $ to deliver Texas bowl results

I agree with you, in that what we pay, we should get more wins than 8 and an average bowl. That's for sure Tandy. It's just the "fire Jimbo" calls with no answer that could end up just like RC for Fran. Nobody seems to think of that one.

As for the switch with Ed O, there are some on here that seem to think he's the better option. If LSU gets Jimbo, and we are #4 or #5 in line as a major program looking for a coach at this point, we might just get him.

tandy miller said:

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It's not going to come true, so it really doesn't matter.

Can you honestly say, based on how much we pay Jim Bob, that we're getting our $$$ worth? Not when his recruiting classes mature, but NOW. Jimbo is getting payed playoff $ to deliver Texas bowl results

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Everyone seemed generally happy last year. The physical style of offense, good defense, game management.
This season if you were expecting Natty, you're unrealistic after overhauling the OLine and starting a rookie QB.
Then your rookie QB goes down, of which you move to rookie QB2?
Then you've got 58 at LT….don't get me started.

I had us at 9-3 to start this year, maybe 10-2. After moving to ZC, I was genuinely concerned about 6-6 and Bowl eligibility, because ZC just really isn't good.
In the end we squeaked out 8-4, which in hindsight could have been better.

We're trending upward in recruiting, but that doesn't yield instant results, it lays groundwork for future results.
He was given a 7 year deal initially for a reason.

Old Sarge said:

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I agree with you, in that what we pay, we should get more wins than 8 and an average bowl. That's for sure Tandy. It's just the "fire Jimbo" calls with no answer that could end up just like RC for Fran. Nobody seems to think of that one.

As for the switch with Ed O, there are some on here that seem to think he's the better option. If LSU gets Jimbo, and we are #4 or #5 in line as a major program looking for a coach at this point, we might just get him.

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Hiring O would be more stupid than hiring Fran for a 2nd round.

I'm not in the "Fire Jimbo and burn it all down" camp, and I was being somewhat facetious about coach o. I don't think there's anyone out there that could have done much better, it's just frustrating to see a coach that makes as much as JF does make calls like a middle school b team coach on 3rd and 2

AustinAg2K said:

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You call the Sumlin years the dark ages, but then act like Jimbo is irreplaceable. The results have basically been the same.

You want a name. Mike Gundy. Is he going to do better? I don't know, but he'll at least get us 8-4. We could probably get Fickel from Cincinnati. You could get Kirk Ferentz from Iowa. The BYU coach could probably pull out an 8-4 season. There are a dozen guys you could go get that will win 8 games here. Personally, I don't think Jimbo needs to be fired, but let's stop acting like Jimbo is Nick Saban. There are plenty of other guys who can do what he's done so far.

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Jimbo is the only guy in your list that can recruit like Saban. Those other guys cannot.

Give Jimbo a QB who is an actual threat to run and the other side stops teeing off on our Running backs

How about any of the 4 coaches that beat Jimbo this year with lesser talent?

tandy miller said:

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I'm not in the "Fire Jimbo and burn it all down" camp, and I was being somewhat facetious about coach o. I don't think there's anyone out there that could have done much better, it's just frustrating to see a coach that makes as much as JF does make calls like a middle school b team coach on 3rd and 2

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Looks great if it's executed. You damn sure weren't gonna run it for a first down.
A lot of what looks shiitty on TV is a QB not seeing the field and playing scared. ZC misses a lot of what he's got out there. His arm and his semi-accuracy covers up a lot of stench between his ears.
But Jimbo's never gonna throw a QB under the bus, regardless of how much hair he's pulled out because of them.

#1AG777 said:

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How about any of the 4 coaches that beat Jimbo this year with lesser talent?

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Weren't much of a problem last year. We're green in some key spots this year, and it stings in the short term.
Also lost several starters to injury, and our depth just isn't stacked up yet.

MIght have to get rid of Elko....that last drive was on the defense sp hopefully he takes a job elsewhere since 85 yards in that amount of time is basically a firable offense correct. I mean Jimbo and Calzada was able to take the lead

We could win 5 games next year and I'd still be against firing Fisher.

2020 we had a solid team. Now it's a cycle.

Firing coaches when we are upset has proven to be an ineffective strategy.

#1AG777 said:

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How about any of the 4 coaches that beat Jimbo this year with lesser talent?

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How about them?

What, realistically, are we going to do about it?

Jimbo beat Saban with less talent and a bad QB (according to most on this board), and Jimbo is a bad coach according to people like yourself, evidently. It happens. I don't like losing those for sure.

So, what about those 4, and how do we go about fixing our situation?

Bigsexxy96 said:

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Given the circumstances 8-4 doesn't disappoint me as much as how we got there. Uninspired first halves against Arky, Ole Miss and LSU. Being totally unprepared against MSU. Going into year 5, the expectations of truly competing for the SEC west and a SEC championship appearance should be an absolute minimum.

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I'm sure that this has been pointed out somewhere, but I've read that Jimbo scripts out the first 15 plays of every game. My observation is that these game-opening scripts are very pass heavy and depends on high level QB play to be successful.

We're playing the back-up QB who has looked like he's scared to death at the start of every game he's played. He apparently doesn't trust his protection and throws most of his passes backing up or on the run. If I can see that then the opposing DC can see it as well. We've turned the games around once we commit to running the ball late in the first half or in the second half.

I'm just a simple fan with no coaching experience whatsoever, but could it be that these slow starts are because we don't establish the run so that we can pass? If I'm wrong then could someone more knowledgeable please correct me?

Good thoughts, but "scripted" doesn't necessarily mean the QB doesn't have options at the line, depending on D alignment.
Also doesn't necessarily mean some scripted plays aren't RPOs, of which QB makes reads after the snap.

Opposing D's (the good ones) knew our weaknesses, and set up to stop the run, meaning we'd live and die on passing effectiveness.
Some even baited the run based on alignment, but attacked from multiple after the snap, making it a guessing game for calls at the line (Arky in particular)

We're one year removed from the best season since 1939. Y'all people cray.

Aggie_buster said:

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Too many words OP.

But I'd take Aranda if he left.

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And what woukd you pay him? And what if he came here and only won 7 or 8 games a season and only won 2 or 3 in the west? In all seriousness... it could easily happen that way.

SBDavis87 said:

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Old Sarge said:

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My OP was written and copied from when Texags was down and the structure did not carry well.

So, with all that, with my questions in the OP, who do you think we can get NOW to do any better? If you are going to throw out "get rid of Jimbo now", who do you think we can get better?

I don't think we can. I like Jimbo as our HC.

But if you don't, and if you think he's not the best we can do for now, give your reasons for another coach, and why it could be better.

Without that, and my questions in the OP, ( which I apologize for the structure as copied from Word in the Texags lock), who and how, and why, realistically do you think you have a coach that is better than Jimbo?

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Ed O has a national champ and has proven to be better.
Great recruiter.
My sources tell me he's available ole sarge.

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I like Ed O as a coach, but that guy would be another Billy Gillespi here and we wouldn't need that. I can appreciate his openess about being 3 yrs sober and a recovering alcoholic, but he has some other issues that I couldn't look past. Plus... he said he wanted to spend more time at meetings and do some public speaking engagements about his recovery. He isn't going to coach for a yr or two... and that may hurt him rather than help him, from a coaching perspective.

Old Sarge said:

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I agree with you, in that what we pay, we should get more wins than 8 and an average bowl. That's for sure Tandy. It's just the "fire Jimbo" calls with no answer that could end up just like RC for Fran. Nobody seems to think of that one.

As for the switch with Ed O, there are some on here that seem to think he's the better option. If LSU gets Jimbo, and we are #4 or #5 in line as a major program looking for a coach at this point, we might just get him.

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We are likely getting the Citrus Bowl this year on Jan 1. This is due to the East sucking so bad. Citrus Bowl is a good Bowl. I will take it with this young team and backup QB.

"TLDR" folks: here's a summary

Look at the sips. High expectations. Hire a coach who underperforms, cut his support, get worse, fire coach hire another "savior". Lather rinse repeat, become laughingstock and fade into obscurity.

I don't want to be maroon texsa

It doesn't matter what fans wish or not wish for. Fisher's contract makes it essentially infeasible to fire him for at least 5 more years, and nobody is walking away from that kind of loot on their own. So hate him or love him, everybody gotta do what they gotta do, but Fisher ain't going no where for a loooooong time.