Honestly this is the best coach A&M has had while I have been around. I think what he is trying to do is take what the defense is giving him. The only problem with that is that sometime you have to take it when they don't give it to you. I will give you an example. Colorado was stacking the box. However, we were running the ball up the middle for short gains instead of more outside runs where Colorado's defense was soft. We tried to throw the ball repeatedly with King and then with Calzada when King went down. We had to know at that point that our receivers were not our strongest part of the team. I would've thought when we had a quarterback go down we would've relied more on the run game. At the time I thought that the team and even Fisher probably deserved a break after losing our starting quarterback. But in hindsight we were asking Calzada to do more than he could. Our expectation is that when one player goes down the other one steps right in and makes all the plays the previous player is supposed to be able to make. The problem with that is that there's a reason why the starter is in place.

You can't expect kids to make plays that are tougher than they are able to complete. Let me rephrase that. You can expect it, but you may not get the results that you're hoping for. Another example of this tonight is us throwing the ball with four minutes left in ballgame when all we needed was a field goal to take the lead. We had the opportunity to run some clock and we were starting to get more push from our oline but instead we decided to throw it.

That really surprised me because I felt like we could take the ball down the field and at least burn up a bunch of clock. But we didn't do that. Instead of running and burning the clock and trying to either kick a field goal at the end or trying to score late we threw the ball out to the flat. I'm not sure if that was a play call or check down by Calzada but it was clearly the wrong thing to do in that situation. Once that happens you're kind of up against it. That leads to throwing the ball more and then leads to the second pic at the end.

Here's my point. I feel like when we have more talent in the future will be able to bring guys in off the bench and run the exact same offense and the exact same stuff the Jimbo wants to run. I just don't think we're there yet. And part of me feels like Jimbo doesn't really realize that. I understand the concept of next man up. But you also have to scheme for the players that you have. That's how we get beat by teams coach by Mike Leach and Lane Kiffen. I just hope this isn't a trend going forward where we aren't adjusting to our players if we have gaps in playing ability.

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Have you applied for the job? Did the board of regents get back to you

BTHOB-98 said:

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Honestly this is the best coach A&M has had while I have been around. I think what he is trying to do is take what the defense is giving him. The only problem with that is that sometime you have to take it when they don't give it to you. I will give you an example. Colorado was stacking the box. However, we were running the ball up the middle for short gains but instead of more outside runs where Colorado's defense was soft we tried to throw the ball repeatedly with King and then with Calzada when King went down. We had to know at that point that our receivers were not our strongest part of the team. I would've thought when we had a quarterback go down we would've relied more on the run game. At the time I thought that the team probably deserved a break after losing our starting quarterback. But in hindsight we were asking Calzada to do more than he could. Our expectation is that when one player goes down the other one steps right in and makes all the plays the previous player is supposed to be able to make. The problem with that is that there's a reason why the starter is in place.

You can't expect kids to make plays that are tougher than they are able to complete. Let me rephrase that. You can expect it, but you may not get the results that you're hoping for. Another example this tonight is us throwing the ball with four minutes left in ballgame when all we needed was a field goal to take the lead. We had the opportunity to run some clock and we were starting to get more push from our oline but instead we wanted to throw it.

That really surprised me because I felt like we could take the ball down the field and at least burn up a bunch of clock. But we didn't do that. Instead of running and burning the clock and trying to either kick a field goal at the end or trying to score late we threw the ball out to the flat. I'm not sure if that was a play call or check down by Calzada but it was clearly the wrong thing to do in that situation. Once that happens you're kind of up against it. That leads to throwing the ball more and then leads to the second pic at the end.

Here's my point. I feel like when we have more talent in the future will be able to bring guys in off the bench and run the exact same offense and the exact same stuff the Jimbo wants to run. I just don't think we're there yet. And part of me feels like Jimbo doesn't really realize that. I understand the concept of next man up. But you also have to scheme for the players that you have. That's how we get beat by teams coach by Mike Leach and Lane Kiffen. I just hope this isn't a trend going forward where we aren't adjusting to our players if we have gaps in playing ability.

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I'll agree with you that we lack talent at [starting] QB this season.

But other than that, what more do you want? Demas was the 3rd WR in his class, Achane was the 4th RB in his class, Cupp was the top ranked TE, Green was the 3rd ranked OT, Spiller was the 9th ranked RB, Foster was the 5th ranked OT....I could go on and on. All these guys were 4* and up.

All that to say, at some point the coaching and scheme are to blame, not recruiting. Jimbo is wrapping up year 4, meaning he's had a complete cycle of recruiting classes now. We can't continue to blame "lack of talent" much longer.

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BTHOB-98 said:

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Honestly this is the best coach A&M has had while I have been around. I think what he is trying to do is take what the defense is giving him. The only problem with that is that sometime you have to take it when they don't give it to you. I will give you an example. Colorado was stacking the box. However, we were running the ball up the middle for short gains but instead of more outside runs where Colorado's defense was soft we tried to throw the ball repeatedly with King and then with Calzada when King went down. We had to know at that point that our receivers were not our strongest part of the team. I would've thought when we had a quarterback go down we would've relied more on the run game. At the time I thought that the team probably deserved a break after losing our starting quarterback. But in hindsight we were asking Calzada to do more than he could. Our expectation is that when one player goes down the other one steps right in and makes all the plays the previous player is supposed to be able to make. The problem with that is that there's a reason why the starter is in place.

You can't expect kids to make plays that are tougher than they are able to complete. Let me rephrase that. You can expect it, but you may not get the results that you're hoping for. Another example this tonight is us throwing the ball with four minutes left in ballgame when all we needed was a field goal to take the lead. We had the opportunity to run some clock and we were starting to get more push from our oline but instead we wanted to throw it.

That really surprised me because I felt like we could take the ball down the field and at least burn up a bunch of clock. But we didn't do that. Instead of running and burning the clock and trying to either kick a field goal at the end or trying to score late we threw the ball out to the flat. I'm not sure if that was a play call or check down by Calzada but it was clearly the wrong thing to do in that situation. Once that happens you're kind of up against it. That leads to throwing the ball more and then leads to the second pic at the end.

Here's my point. I feel like when we have more talent in the future will be able to bring guys in off the bench and run the exact same offense and the exact same stuff the Jimbo wants to run. I just don't think we're there yet. And part of me feels like Jimbo doesn't really realize that. I understand the concept of next man up. But you also have to scheme for the players that you have. That's how we get beat by teams coach by Mike Leach and Lane Kiffen. I just hope this isn't a trend going forward where we aren't adjusting to our players if we have gaps in playing ability.

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I'll agree with you that we lack talent at [starting] QB this season.

But other than that, what more do you want? Demas was the 3rd WR in his class, Achane was the 4th RB in his class, Cupp was the top ranked TE, Green was the 3rd ranked OT, Spiller was the 9th ranked RB, Foster was the 5th ranked OT....I could go on and on. All these guys were 4* and up.

All that to say, at some point the coaching and scheme are to blame, not recruiting. Jimbo is wrapping up year 4, meaning he's had a complete cycle of recruiting classes now. We can't continue to blame "lack of talent" much longer.

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I agree with you. "Much Longer". I think we are almost there. I can't explain all the drops. I know that Calzada has a cannon and sometimes needs more touch on the ball. I want to see this team when we truly reload ever year. We just are not to that point yet. So 100% you are right. It's not going to be much longer. I agree with coaching and sceme too. I really think he has not adjusted to the talent we have this year. We're still running the same offense as last year with different guys.

Foster was a OG coming out not a OT.

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BTHOB-98 said:

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Honestly this is the best coach A&M has had while I have been around. I think what he is trying to do is take what the defense is giving him. The only problem with that is that sometime you have to take it when they don't give it to you. I will give you an example. Colorado was stacking the box. However, we were running the ball up the middle for short gains but instead of more outside runs where Colorado's defense was soft we tried to throw the ball repeatedly with King and then with Calzada when King went down. We had to know at that point that our receivers were not our strongest part of the team. I would've thought when we had a quarterback go down we would've relied more on the run game. At the time I thought that the team probably deserved a break after losing our starting quarterback. But in hindsight we were asking Calzada to do more than he could. Our expectation is that when one player goes down the other one steps right in and makes all the plays the previous player is supposed to be able to make. The problem with that is that there's a reason why the starter is in place.

You can't expect kids to make plays that are tougher than they are able to complete. Let me rephrase that. You can expect it, but you may not get the results that you're hoping for. Another example this tonight is us throwing the ball with four minutes left in ballgame when all we needed was a field goal to take the lead. We had the opportunity to run some clock and we were starting to get more push from our oline but instead we wanted to throw it.

That really surprised me because I felt like we could take the ball down the field and at least burn up a bunch of clock. But we didn't do that. Instead of running and burning the clock and trying to either kick a field goal at the end or trying to score late we threw the ball out to the flat. I'm not sure if that was a play call or check down by Calzada but it was clearly the wrong thing to do in that situation. Once that happens you're kind of up against it. That leads to throwing the ball more and then leads to the second pic at the end.

Here's my point. I feel like when we have more talent in the future will be able to bring guys in off the bench and run the exact same offense and the exact same stuff the Jimbo wants to run. I just don't think we're there yet. And part of me feels like Jimbo doesn't really realize that. I understand the concept of next man up. But you also have to scheme for the players that you have. That's how we get beat by teams coach by Mike Leach and Lane Kiffen. I just hope this isn't a trend going forward where we aren't adjusting to our players if we have gaps in playing ability.

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I'll agree with you that we lack talent at [starting] QB this season.

But other than that, what more do you want? Demas was the 3rd WR in his class, Achane was the 4th RB in his class, Cupp was the top ranked TE, Green was the 3rd ranked OT, Spiller was the 9th ranked RB, Foster was the 5th ranked OT....I could go on and on. All these guys were 4* and up.

All that to say, at some point the coaching and scheme are to blame, not recruiting. Jimbo is wrapping up year 4, meaning he's had a complete cycle of recruiting classes now. We can't continue to blame "lack of talent" much longer.

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QB is by far the most important position on the field and we are inconsistent at best. That means we will be an inconsistent team. The defense has played pretty solid the entire season and certainly played well enough to win tonight. We lost because of missed reads and throws at the QB position. It sucks to pin these losses on him because of the gutty performance last week and the amazing game he had against Alabama but it is what it is.

If Jimbo Fisher doesn't produce a better product next year...and compete for the SEC title and playoff spot in 2023...then he will be gone.
And the BMA's would have spent nearly 100 million of guaranteed money for absolutely nothing.

Yeah...I'm not even reading that.

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If Jimbo Fisher doesn't produce a better product next year...and compete for the SEC title and playoff spot in 2023...then he will be gone.
And the BMA's would have spent nearly 100 million of guaranteed money for absolutely nothing.

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This is beyond dumb

bv86ag said:

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If Jimbo Fisher doesn't produce a better product next year...and compete for the SEC title and playoff spot in 2023...then he will be gone.
And the BMA's would have spent nearly 100 million of guaranteed money for absolutely nothing.

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LMFAO.

How about you folks just keep having blind faith in Jimbo and letting this crap keep playing out with one excuse or another each year.
It's been going on since 1939...82 years now.
What's a few more years gonna hurt huh?

We lose a lot this year. Next year is a rebuilding year unfortunately

bv86ag said:

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If Jimbo Fisher doesn't produce a better product next year...and compete for the SEC title and playoff spot in 2023...then he will be gone.
And the BMA's would have spent nearly 100 million of guaranteed money for absolutely nothing.

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I would say that this is the dumbest take on TexAgs, but the other doomsday threads spare you that recognition.

Jimbo is not going anywhere. I don't know when you attended A&M, but I graduated in 08. I spent my college years with Fran and Sherman. Fran just flat out sucked, option to the short side of the field on 3rd and 8 suck. Sherman was a great talent evaluator, but a terrible game day coach. I was on 3rd deck for the Ark State debacle.

Jimbo is the best coach A&M has had

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bv86ag said:

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If Jimbo Fisher doesn't produce a better product next year...and compete for the SEC title and playoff spot in 2023...then he will be gone.
And the BMA's would have spent nearly 100 million of guaranteed money for absolutely nothing.

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I would say that this is the dumbest take on TexAgs, but the other doomsday threads spare you that recognition.

Jimbo is not going anywhere. I don't know when you attended A&M, but I graduated in 08. I spent my college years with Fran and Sherman. Fran just flat out sucked, option to the short side of the field on 3rd and 8 suck. Sherman was a great talent evaluator, but a terrible game day coach. I was on 3rd deck for the Ark State debacle.

Jimbo is the best coach A&M has had

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I go back even further... and you are absolutely correct. Everyone thinks that RC was God's gift, he could never win the big games. 3 and 13 in bowl games, if memory serves. Took the #3 ranking to Colorado and promptly **** the bed.

But Fran was BY FAR the worst... set us back a decade. He was so terrible that he couldn't hire a DC and had to bring back Darnell from selling insurance.

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I'm sorry you suffered under Franchocchio and Sherman, but thus far Jimbo has been 'good' but clearly not 'the best'

Jimbo is a pretty good recruiter, but a very average gameday coach. His play calling was the primary reason we lost last night.

I don't know much about Sherril- but yes Jimbo is leaps and bounds the best since at least the last 5 or 6 years of RCs career…

Suffering under Fran and Sherman. There was suffering back further than that. Why do you think we have BAS? Inconsistent play has been around a long time. Jimbo is fantastic compared to some of the past coaches. Being in the SEC has been a big change from SWC and BDF He will be here and continue to build. He keeps the game close. Recruits are still coming .

We're about to potentially have the #1 recruiting class or close to it.

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We're about to potentially have the #1 recruiting class or close to it.

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I bet we lose one or two recruits that have yet to commit.

I agree with OP. Fisher is almost there and those who want him gone are insane. Last night was disappointing and Fisher's stubbornness is mostly to blame. I think everyone could see by the end of the game that Achane was the hot hand and we should have rode him to a close win. That's not a knock on Spiller but just the way it was last night. However, again Fisher put the ball in his QB's hands and unfortunately Calzada is just not cutout for that. That's just the way Fisher rolls and I've accepted that as his flaw. It is a flaw that has cost us some games over the past 4 years.

The good news is that situation is about to be fixed. I am convinced if King doesn't get injured that we have at most one loss right now. King is just so much better than Calzada and Weigman looks to be a monster QB. Calzada is gutsy and deserves all the credit for his performance in the Alabama game but the stats show him to be a below average SEC QB. With a better QB the offense will be so much better next year. Not to mention that the defense is legit.

I'm frustrated by Fisher's seeming inability to deviate from his game plan and overall philosophy on a single game basis. However, I realize the bigger picture and he's getting us very close to where we want to be. This season's goals realistically went out the window when King went down. We are still on track for long term goals of the program.

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We lose a lot this year. Next year is a rebuilding year unfortunately

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Another idiot poster.

And yes, Fisher does need some self-development as the offensive play caller. My one fear with Jimbo is his inability to change and become a bit more "innovative". But he certainly wins a HELL of a lot more than he losses so let's not forget this either. He choose to ride Zach to the holy land and this cost us the game. The gamble didn't pay off. Hopefully he learns from it and files it away from the next similar game. If Zach would have performed better, we wouldn't be talking about Fisher's play calling. But I do question Jimbo for putting it on Zach.

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Jimbo is a pretty good recruiter, but a very average gameday coach. His play calling was the primary reason we lost last night.

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Dude, Calzada is bad. Play calling isn't the reason jfc.

Calzada misses open guys all game long. Either never sees them, throws too late, misses the throw, etc. He is a one read, 50% guy. The only fault on Jimbo is not recruiting a better back up. Stowers was the big miss. Needed to hot that year. Also should have gotten a portal guy this year. Too much was riding on King staying upright.

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Jimbo is the best coach A&M has had

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Off_The_Wood said:

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BTHOB-98 said:

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Honestly this is the best coach A&M has had while I have been around. I think what he is trying to do is take what the defense is giving him. The only problem with that is that sometime you have to take it when they don't give it to you. I will give you an example. Colorado was stacking the box. However, we were running the ball up the middle for short gains but instead of more outside runs where Colorado's defense was soft we tried to throw the ball repeatedly with King and then with Calzada when King went down. We had to know at that point that our receivers were not our strongest part of the team. I would've thought when we had a quarterback go down we would've relied more on the run game. At the time I thought that the team probably deserved a break after losing our starting quarterback. But in hindsight we were asking Calzada to do more than he could. Our expectation is that when one player goes down the other one steps right in and makes all the plays the previous player is supposed to be able to make. The problem with that is that there's a reason why the starter is in place.

You can't expect kids to make plays that are tougher than they are able to complete. Let me rephrase that. You can expect it, but you may not get the results that you're hoping for. Another example this tonight is us throwing the ball with four minutes left in ballgame when all we needed was a field goal to take the lead. We had the opportunity to run some clock and we were starting to get more push from our oline but instead we wanted to throw it.

That really surprised me because I felt like we could take the ball down the field and at least burn up a bunch of clock. But we didn't do that. Instead of running and burning the clock and trying to either kick a field goal at the end or trying to score late we threw the ball out to the flat. I'm not sure if that was a play call or check down by Calzada but it was clearly the wrong thing to do in that situation. Once that happens you're kind of up against it. That leads to throwing the ball more and then leads to the second pic at the end.

Here's my point. I feel like when we have more talent in the future will be able to bring guys in off the bench and run the exact same offense and the exact same stuff the Jimbo wants to run. I just don't think we're there yet. And part of me feels like Jimbo doesn't really realize that. I understand the concept of next man up. But you also have to scheme for the players that you have. That's how we get beat by teams coach by Mike Leach and Lane Kiffen. I just hope this isn't a trend going forward where we aren't adjusting to our players if we have gaps in playing ability.

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I'll agree with you that we lack talent at [starting] QB this season.

But other than that, what more do you want? Demas was the 3rd WR in his class, Achane was the 4th RB in his class, Cupp was the top ranked TE, Green was the 3rd ranked OT, Spiller was the 9th ranked RB, Foster was the 5th ranked OT....I could go on and on. All these guys were 4* and up.

All that to say, at some point the coaching and scheme are to blame, not recruiting. Jimbo is wrapping up year 4, meaning he's had a complete cycle of recruiting classes now. We can't continue to blame "lack of talent" much longer.

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you can easily blame lack of talent when the QB is the lower talent guy.

Remember star ratings don't absolutely mean they will be studs in college. Some QBs just don't get it

Agree. We should've been running the ball more. The short passes are garbage.

Biggest problems last night were twofold:

1. Jimbo using Spiller and Achane incorrectly. Ole Miss defensive line was teeing up off on OL run schemes we used for the Aub game. We should have used way more gash sweeps to the outside to soften the middle. Also Calzada being relegated to limp mode is killing any ability to utilize zone read. Spiller has to f'ing stop dancing behind line of scrimmage (that's what led to the Safety).

2. The OL pass protected very well, but we did not utilize any hook and go or out and up WR routes. Calzada can throw those balls with precision touch (like the one Demas dropped in early 4th quarter). When you play call incorrectly the overall offensive production suffers.

Opening up the outside and threatening to go deep more in the 1st quarter would have changed entire defensive scheme for Ole Miss and tone of game, but we waited until the 4th quarter to adjust.

gkaggie08 said:

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bv86ag said:

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If Jimbo Fisher doesn't produce a better product next year...and compete for the SEC title and playoff spot in 2023...then he will be gone.
And the BMA's would have spent nearly 100 million of guaranteed money for absolutely nothing.

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I would say that this is the dumbest take on TexAgs, but the other doomsday threads spare you that recognition.

Jimbo is not going anywhere. I don't know when you attended A&M, but I graduated in 08. I spent my college years with Fran and Sherman. Fran just flat out sucked, option to the short side of the field on 3rd and 8 suck. Sherman was a great talent evaluator, but a terrible game day coach. I was on 3rd deck for the Ark State debacle.

Jimbo is the best coach A&M has had

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Uh…..no. The best coach A&M has had since 1970 was Jackie and it is not even close. Jimbo is the best so far since then, but the jury is still out.

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gkaggie08 said:

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bv86ag said:

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If Jimbo Fisher doesn't produce a better product next year...and compete for the SEC title and playoff spot in 2023...then he will be gone.
And the BMA's would have spent nearly 100 million of guaranteed money for absolutely nothing.

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I would say that this is the dumbest take on TexAgs, but the other doomsday threads spare you that recognition.

Jimbo is not going anywhere. I don't know when you attended A&M, but I graduated in 08. I spent my college years with Fran and Sherman. Fran just flat out sucked, option to the short side of the field on 3rd and 8 suck. Sherman was a great talent evaluator, but a terrible game day coach. I was on 3rd deck for the Ark State debacle.

Jimbo is the best coach A&M has had

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Uh…..no. The best coach A&M has had since 1970 was Jackie and it is not even close. Jimbo is the best so far since then, but the jury is still out.

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Actually, I could argue that Bear was the best coach that A&M has ever had. If he doesn't go home to mama we are a monster in college football by 1959 or 1960.

The big problem with the O, is Jimbo is an old QB.

We should be more of a running team with the talent we have both there and at QB. But Jimbo wants to throw it too much. But, not throw it enough to be a passing team.

We are confused about our identity on offense.

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The big problem with the O, is Jimbo is an old QB.

We should be more of a running team with the talent we have both there and at QB. But Jimbo wants to throw it too much. But, not throw it enough to be a passing team.

We are confused about our identity on offense.

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I see it as Jimbo trying to force Calzada to develop by giving him confidence. It just sucks that the plays are there but the throw is late or a little high or we dont secure it. That exacerbates each over throw or bad read.

What eats me up inside is I fully believe Jimbo knows we could win just running with achane and spiller, but he wants to get Calzada through all his growing pains and as a result gets stuck trying to cook up a qb instead of secure the win.