I just can't let it go. We have a all SEC RB and an Olympic speed, Orange Bowl MVP RB and combined they had 17 carries against the pigs while facing a three man front. Why not just pound the middle for 4 yards? If the OL is to bad to run, then they are certainly to bad to pass 36 times. Why have an inexperienced QB throw into an 8 man coverage? The defense gave up 2 big plays but handled Arkansas the rest of the game. It is maddening...

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We're all upset, but anotha one isn't gonna fix it.

That's what happens when it's 17-3. HTH

14 of the 17 came from two plays and we cut it to 17-10 because of a 67 yard RUN. The defense held them to 3 pts the 2H and those 3 came on a short field after the pick. Again, 2H was mainly 3 man front. Run, run, run...

Lawhall97 said:

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14 of the 17 came from two plays and we cut it to 17-10 because of a 67 yard RUN. The defense held them to 3 pts the 2H and those 3 came on a short field after the pick. Again, 2H was mainly 3 man front. Run, run, run...

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I would rather have run than what we did, but it's tough to call runs when it's 2nd and 20. If we ran and didn't convert the opposite would be cried right now. And on the few RPO's Jimbo did call, those were the like 3 good passing plays we had all 2nd half.

The run, run, run option isn't clear at all.

Spiller gained 11 yards on his first carry and 67 on his last. But in between he went 0, -1, 3, 3, 5, 3, 4, 7, -4, -3. Hardly a mandate to keep it up as time was running down.

Meanwhile, Achane went 0, 5, 7, 4, 8. Real good in Woody Hayes' day, but not inspiring in modern times. Doubt this team could go 75 yards that way without many penalties along the way.

I like how people somehow think 4 yards a carry is something to scoff at.

It was terrible coaching by Jimbo, plain and simple.

"too", please. As in "too bad to run....too bad to pass".

AggieAL1 said:

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The run, run, run option isn't clear at all.

Spiller gained 11 yards on his first carry and 67 on his last. But in between he went 0, -1, 3, 3, 5, 3, 4, 7, -4, -3. Hardly a mandate to keep it up as time was running down.

Meanwhile, Achane went 0, 5, 7, 4, 8. Real good in Woody Hayes' day, but not inspiring in modern times. Doubt this team could go 75 yards that way without many penalties along the way.

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Now do all the passing plays... INC, INC, INC, Punt

Spotted Ag said:

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That's what happens when it's 17-3. HTH

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but what about when it is 10-17 in the middle 3rd quarter and we have momentum? that is when we stopped running

There were plenty of lessons to be learned from that game and hopefully our team will respond and make the necessary changes.

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I like how people somehow think 4 yards a carry is something to scoff at.

It was terrible coaching by Jimbo, plain and simple.

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A four yard average doesn't mean you got 4 yards every play. You were given the exact yards per carry above and you still want to say keep pounding the rock. You have been told that several pass plays were actually called runs that were RPO'd and you still want to argue. And some of you obviously have no clue that all 3 man fronts are not the same. A 3 man front can have a 8 man box or a 3 man box but I haven't seen anyone take the time to count the box and post those numbers. I am guessing after the long run, you started to see more 6 man boxes and thats why we RPO'd the runs. Then once the clock became a factor, they moved some guys out of the box into coverage. It's crazy to think how much more knowledgeable this place is than guys who get paid millions of dollars to coach football.

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Spotted Ag said:

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That's what happens when it's 17-3. HTH

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but what about when it is 10-17 in the middle 3rd quarter and we have momentum? that is when we stopped running

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Thats still not true no matter how many times you say it.

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antman8504 said:

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Spotted Ag said:

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That's what happens when it's 17-3. HTH

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but what about when it is 10-17 in the middle 3rd quarter and we have momentum? that is when we stopped running

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Thats still not true no matter how many times you say it.

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after Achane's eight yard run, which was one run after the Spiller TD run, did we run anymore at all?

waco_aggie05 said:

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AggieAL1 said:

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The run, run, run option isn't clear at all.

Spiller gained 11 yards on his first carry and 67 on his last. But in between he went 0, -1, 3, 3, 5, 3, 4, 7, -4, -3. Hardly a mandate to keep it up as time was running down.

Meanwhile, Achane went 0, 5, 7, 4, 8. Real good in Woody Hayes' day, but not inspiring in modern times. Doubt this team could go 75 yards that way without many penalties along the way.

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Now do all the passing plays... INC, INC, INC, Punt

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• 1st & 10 at TA&M 18
  (3:48 - 3rd) Devon Achane run for 8 yds to the TexAM 26
• 2nd & 2 at TA&M 26
  (3:20 - 3rd) Zach Calzada pass complete to Demond Demas for 8 yds to the TexAM 34 for a 1ST down
• 1st & 10 at TA&M 34
  (3:00 - 3rd) Calzada, Zach pass complete to Smith, Ainias for 8 yards to the TEXASAM42, PENALTY TEXASAM ineligible downfield on pass 5 yards to the TEXASAM29, NO PLAY.
• 1st & 15 at TA&M 29
  (2:30 - 3rd) Zach Calzada sacked by Tre Williams for a loss of 10 yards to the TexAM 19
• 2nd & 25 at TA&M 19
  (1:35 - 3rd) Zach Calzada pass complete to Jalen Wydermyer for 18 yds to the TexAM 37
• 3rd & 7 at TA&M 37
  (0:53 - 3rd) Zach Calzada pass incomplete to Ainias Smith
• 4th & 7 at TA&M 37
  (0:50 - 3rd) TEXAS A&M Penalty, Delay of Game (-5 Yards) to the TexAM 32
• 4th & 12 at TA&M 32
  (0:43 - 3rd) Nik Constantinou punt for 53 yds, punt out-of-bounds at the Ark 15

Tell us where a run would have been a better call.

• 1st & 10 at TA&M 10
  (12:35 - 4th) Zach Calzada pass complete to Ainias Smith for 23 yds to the TexAM 33 for a 1ST down
• 1st & 10 at TA&M 33
  (12:00 - 4th) Zach Calzada pass intercepted Montaric Brown return for no gain to the TexAM 48

Here is your chance. Should have ran on 1st down. Scream it from the mountain top.

• (8:39 - 4th) Vito Calvaruso kickoff for 65 yds , Devon Achane return for 32 yds to the TexAM 32
• 1st & 10 at TA&M 32
  (8:28 - 4th) Zach Calzada pass incomplete to Jalen Wydermyer
• 2nd & 10 at TA&M 32
  (8:18 - 4th) Calzada, Zach rush for 8 yards to the TEXASAM40, PENALTY TEXASAM holding 10 yards to the TEXASAM22, NO PLAY.
• 2nd & 20 at TA&M 22
  (7:56 - 4th) Zach Calzada pass incomplete to Jalen Wydermyer
• 3rd & 20 at TA&M 22
  (7:50 - 4th) Zach Calzada pass complete to Devon Achane for 10 yds to the TexAM 32
• 4th & 10 at TA&M 32
  (7:04 - 4th) Nik Constantinou punt for 57 yds, downed at the Ark 11

Maybe you run the ball here, down 2 scores with 8:39. I wouldn't but maybe you would.

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Spotted Ag said:

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That's what happens when it's 17-3. HTH

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but what about when it is 10-17 in the middle 3rd quarter and we have momentum? that is when we stopped running

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Thats still not true no matter how many times you say it.

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after Achane's eight yard run, which was one run after the Spiller TD run, did we run anymore at all?

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Its all right there for you to see.

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• 1st & 10 at TA&M 34
  (3:00 - 3rd) Calzada, Zach pass complete to Smith, Ainias for 8 yards to the TEXASAM42, PENALTY TEXASAM ineligible downfield on pass 5 yards to the TEXASAM29, NO PLAY.

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Run here IMO. Calzada gave you a decent play the play before, which was few and far in between.

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• 1st & 10 at TA&M 34
  (3:00 - 3rd) Calzada, Zach pass complete to Smith, Ainias for 8 yards to the TEXASAM42, PENALTY TEXASAM ineligible downfield on pass 5 yards to the TEXASAM29, NO PLAY.

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Run here IMO. Calzada gave you a decent play the play before, which was few and far in between.

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He also gave you an 8 yard completion. Doesn't seem like a poor play call. And this is one of the RPOs that Jimbo talked about. What did the box look like?

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antman8504 said:

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Spotted Ag said:

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That's what happens when it's 17-3. HTH

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but what about when it is 10-17 in the middle 3rd quarter and we have momentum? that is when we stopped running

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Thats still not true no matter how many times you say it.

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after Achane's eight yard run, which was one run after the Spiller TD run, did we run anymore at all?

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Its all right there for you to see.

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the only decent play was a Calzada RUSH. lol. Jimbo has to see his QB struggling. If we had just run every play after the last Achane run, at worst, we lose 17-10 which is a better outcome than what we got. Oh well.

cevans_40 said:

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• 1st & 10 at TA&M 34
  (3:00 - 3rd) Calzada, Zach pass complete to Smith, Ainias for 8 yards to the TEXASAM42, PENALTY TEXASAM ineligible downfield on pass 5 yards to the TEXASAM29, NO PLAY.

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Run here IMO. Calzada gave you a decent play the play before, which was few and far in between.

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He also gave you an 8 yard completion. Doesn't seem like a poor play call.

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It kind of is when you know you QB is struggling like he is. The reason that play got called back was because Calzada held the ball forever before finally throwing it. He should have run initially.

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cevans_40 said:

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Spotted Ag said:

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That's what happens when it's 17-3. HTH

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but what about when it is 10-17 in the middle 3rd quarter and we have momentum? that is when we stopped running

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Thats still not true no matter how many times you say it.

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after Achane's eight yard run, which was one run after the Spiller TD run, did we run anymore at all?

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Its all right there for you to see.

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the only decent play was a Calzada RUSH. lol. Jimbo has to see his QB struggling. If we had just run every play after the last Achane run, at worst, we lose 17-10 which is a better outcome than what we got. Oh well.

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This is awesome. We would have only lost 17-10. LOL

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cevans_40 said:

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antman8504 said:

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Spotted Ag said:

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That's what happens when it's 17-3. HTH

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but what about when it is 10-17 in the middle 3rd quarter and we have momentum? that is when we stopped running

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Thats still not true no matter how many times you say it.

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after Achane's eight yard run, which was one run after the Spiller TD run, did we run anymore at all?

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Its all right there for you to see.

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the only decent play was a Calzada RUSH. lol. Jimbo has to see his QB struggling. If we had just run every play after the last Achane run, at worst, we lose 17-10 which is a better outcome than what we got. Oh well.

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This is awesome. We would have only lost 17-10. LOL

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no, I think we would have won. But AT WORSE, we would have loss by less. That last interception on a PASS play sealed the win for Arky

Ineligible downfield on an RPO is the quarterback failing the read. Either he had the throw right away before the linemen run downfield to block or it wasnt there and it should have been a run.

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Ineligible downfield on an RPO is the quarterback failing the read. Either he had the throw right away before the linemen run downfield to block or it wasnt there and it should have been a run.

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This. I was done with the discussion after the would have lost by less comment

Spotted Ag said:

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That's what happens when it's 17-3. HTH

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Yes when you take a couple of shots down the field and have a QB that can run. But it was the stupid penalties that put us behind the chains so quick causing both Jimbo and Calzada to panic. We still had a better chance of busting another long or run two versus Calzada completing anything over 3 yards after the OLine settled in. The moment we got it to 17-10 was exactly when it was time to bring the full back in and try to hit another big run or two or going max protect and then stretching the defense. I don't care if they were incomplete we needed to find away to take a couple of deep shots down the field. Calzada simply can not throw into any tight windows with even a threat of pressure. I'd much rather see him throw a pick 40 yards down the field versus 8 balls thrown into the ground.

RPO's are also pretty ****ing stupid with an indecisive QB and young OLine. They require a quick decision and if you're throwing a blitz is irrelevant because QB should already see and get a minimum 4-5 throw.

This QB and young makeshift OL needed to know exactly where the play/ball was going at snap. Just call it and go or change made from sideline. Choices and quick decisions ain't gonna work right now.

How much do you earn for coaching???

jrbaggie said:

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How much do you earn for coaching???

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Not 9 MM. Our stipend is something like 5k

When they saw a 3 man front it should have been an audible to a run. Spiller has the longest play of the day. Achane has proven his worth in late games with the ball in hands in the Orange bowl. The longer the game goes on the more likely there is another missed tackle and either of them are in the end zone.

BTW, on Spiller's TD, there were 7 guys in the box and corners were giving plenty of cushion. Something tells me Calzada wasn't involved in this decision and everyone simply knew what the **** they were doing.

Very next drive first play Achane 8 yard run. Next play 2nd and 2 some sort of RPO or indecisive scramble by Calzada and lineman down field to put us behind chains. Next play is Calzadas ghost sack when he panicks from little to no pressure. This is with about 2 minutes left in 3rd quarter down 7. Line finally blocking well and the shell shocked QB was put in a 2nd and 2 decision that he can't make.

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Ineligible downfield on an RPO is the quarterback failing the read. Either he had the throw right away before the linemen run downfield to block or it wasnt there and it should have been a run.

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Fatheree wasn't running downfield to block. He just started meandering forward after breaking off his line block and didn't stop. The strange thing is he appeared to take a few more steps while watching the play as Calzada finally switched from a downfield look to hit the safe man, Smith, who was less safe by then but made a good catch.

The first rule for interior linemen in the run-pass option is to avoid going downfield until you are sure the options have ended. Fatheree fouled up, but who didn't on this day. He's young and it's a pretty good bet he won't do that again.

Lawhall97 said:

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When they saw a 3 man front it should have been an audible to a run. Spiller has the longest play of the day. Achane has proven his worth in late games with the ball in hands in the Orange bowl. The longer the game goes on the more likely there is another missed tackle and either of them are in the end zone.

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Anything's possible. But it's the rare team that counts on some kind of long touchdown run in the waning minutes to come from behind -- in this case 10 points behind with less than nine minutes to play.

The thee-man front was there all day, good play and bad. We didn't crack it often. Plus, Spiller (whose talent is immense) squeezed through a hole the size of a letter-drop to start his long run. It's awfully hard to pin your hopes on lightning striking one spot twice.

AggieAL1 said:

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JJxvi said:

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Ineligible downfield on an RPO is the quarterback failing the read. Either he had the throw right away before the linemen run downfield to block or it wasnt there and it should have been a run.

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Fatheree wasn't running downfield to block. He just started meandering forward after breaking off his line block and didn't stop. The strange thing is he appeared to take a few more steps while watching the play as Calzada finally switched from a downfield look to hit the safe man, Smith, who was less safe by then but made a good catch.

The first rule for interior linemen in the run-pass option is to avoid going downfield until you are sure the options have ended. Fatheree fouled up, but who didn't on this day. He's young and it's a pretty good bet he won't do that again.

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Once again, we may be in better shape than we realize. You simply can't put a rattled first time starting QB and a young/inexperienced OLine in any run-pass options. It appears with a few of our nice plays in the second half, that there was only a check with the sideline and go. I do not believe for one second that on Spillers TD or on Zachs throw in 4th after a quick run fake that he was involved in the decision. He made a hell of a throw because he knew exactly what the play was without over thinking anything. He and the line looked much better until he gets s tiny bit off pressure again and hits a lineman in the back off the head.

Zach and this OLine need a play, quick check to sideline and go. All of these holdings and lineman down field calls were due to and indecisive QB put into a position he wasn't ready for. Jimbo can not teach during the middle of an SEC game and allow him to make these decisions in middle of a game for development purposes.

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When they saw a 3 man front it should have been an audible to a run. Spiller has the longest play of the day. Achane has proven his worth in late games with the ball in hands in the Orange bowl. The longer the game goes on the more likely there is another missed tackle and either of them are in the end zone.

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Anything's possible. But it's the rare team that counts on some kind of long touchdown run in the waning minutes to come from behind -- in this case 10 points behind with less than nine minutes to play.

The thee-man front was there all day, good play and bad. We didn't crack it often. Plus, Spiller (whose talent is immense) squeezed through a hole the size of a letter-drop to start his long run. It's awfully hard to pin your hopes on lightning striking one spot twice.

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That's not the point. The point is these decisions can't come from a Calzada read yet, he's not ready for that. Jimbo needs to make that call at the line and then whatever happens with the front or coverage happens. Zach actually looks much better when it appears he's not overthinking. Just let him use his arm at this point versus he's head, the speed and processing is too much and then we get into 2nd and 3rd and long too quick with no option to put the ball in Spillers or Achanes hands.

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When they saw a 3 man front it should have been an audible to a run. Spiller has the longest play of the day. Achane has proven his worth in late games with the ball in hands in the Orange bowl. The longer the game goes on the more likely there is another missed tackle and either of them are in the end zone.

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3 man front is far from an automatic run.