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You just now realized R-Kansas has become irrelevant?

Arkansas went 21-5 (12-4 in SEC games) in 2010 and 2011 before going 37-62 (13-51 in SEC games) from 2012 to 2019. In Sam Pittman's first season, Arkansas went 3-7 in an all SEC-schedule that included additional cross divisional games against Georgia and Florida. 3 of their losses were by a combined 7 points: lost at Auburn 30-28, lost to LSU 27-24 at home, and lost at Missouri 50-48. Arkansas won the SEC West in 1995, 2002, and 2006, but they won't ever win the division again. They probably won't even win 10+ games again, but they will likely win between 6 to 8 games in most years.

AggieOO said:

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Why can we not laugh at Arkansas AND root for them against Texas?

I laughed at k state when they lost to Arkansas State, but I still pulled for them to beat texas.

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We joke about Kansas football all the time and still cheer them on when they beat Texas

Firing Petrino was a mistake

Iraq2xVeteran said:

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Arkansas went 21-5 (12-4 in SEC games) in 2010 and 2011 before going 37-62 (13-51 in SEC games) from 2012 to 2019, because Bobby Petrino fell off his motorcycle.

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Sully Penny said:

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Iraq2xVeteran said:

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Arkansas went 21-5 (12-4 in SEC games) in 2010 and 2011 before going 37-62 (13-51 in SEC games) from 2012 to 2019, because Bobby Petrino fell off his motorcycle with his sidepiece employee riding along.

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agent-maroon said:

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TAMUallen said:

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Vandy will be phased out before Arkansas becomes irrelevant.

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How do you phase out a charter member of the conference?

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Same way you let sip and land thieves in after a decade of trashing their new conference. It's all about the benjamins going forward.

Nothing personal, just business.

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No. Vanderbilt has been there from the very beginning, going back 100 years ago to the SEC's parent conference, the Southern Conference. It would be unconscionable, outrageous, and stupid to even think about voting them out.

I sincerely hope you're right, even if I don't share your optimism.

I wonder if Arkansas will ever go after Malzahn should he build back his pedigree at UCF and should Pittman fail to deliver.

Bingo!!!

And this is what happened

About the time McFadden left Arkansas the Little Rock school district was taken over by the state board of education due to low test scores. The district is made up of mostly inner city kids.

The first action by the state board was to eliminate all extracurricular activities during school hours. All practice has to take place after school hours which killed football. Thankfully baseball and basketball kids can still succeed through travel teams and the AAU circuit.

In Arkansas move to the SEC Texas recruiting dried up. This was expected but with the collapse of the Little Rock pipeline Arkansas finds itself in a hole that will be tough to get out of.

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Iraq2xVeteran said:

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Arkansas went 21-5 (12-4 in SEC games) in 2010 and 2011 before going 37-62 (13-51 in SEC games) from 2012 to 2019, because Bobby Petrino fell off his motorcycle with his sidepiece employee riding along.

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LMAO!

PaulTony said:

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Arkansas will become a nobody in the new SEC kind of a welfare school.
At best a fat kid club for O line or last chance u in transfer portal.
Should offer to join BDF 12.

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It would be wise to hope ou and tu will become the neb of the SEC.

I am not sure how secure their future is in the SEC. I don't think all of the SEC schools survive the end game. Vanderbilt, the Mississippi schools, and Arkansas are all pretty vulnerable.

Why not say the same about Tennessee, or KY?

Miss State is making a good effort and the population of Mississippi with 2 SEC schools is smaller (2.96m) than Arkansas (3m).

Baylor, TCU, K State, and Iowa St generated some respect nationally.

Arkansas did pretty well in the SWC.

I think you are underestimating the potential of Arkansas. With their SEC $$ they have a chance for some success.

Arkansas will become a C team, which outside the sec will dominate others.

They are a few NIL millionaires away.

With more billionaires to make it happen than any other school in the country.

This is new college football

Nil will enable them to compete. Their biggest problem is that they just haven't made very good coaching hires. I think Pittman will have them taking steps forward.

Z Team said:

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Nil will enable them to compete. Their biggest problem is that they just haven't made very good coaching hires. I think Pittman will have them taking steps forward.

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That's been the biggest issue for Arkansas since firing Bobby Petrino. John L. Smith went 4-8 (2-6 in SEC games) as the interim head coach in 2012. Bret Bielema went 3-9 (0-8 in SEC games) in his first season in 2013. Then Bielma led them to 3 consecutive winning seasons from 2014 to 2016 before falling to 4-8 (1-7 in SEC games) in his final season in 2017. Chad Morris finished 4-18 (0-14 in SEC games). He went 2-4 against Group of 5 teams. 3 of these losses were at home, and 2 of them were by 26+ points. Yet, we squeaked by Arkansas 24-17 in 2018 and 31-27 in 2019. I also think Sam Pittman will have them competing to finish in the middle of the very tough SEC West.

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Yeah i'm sure they'll gladly take being relevant in two of the three big sports especially baskeball.

Once A&M passes them in the football series in another decade or so, that will be quite a turnaround.

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The future SEC may not have Arkansas in it. I think they shed Ole Miss, MSU, and Vanderbilt. Arkansas will be cutting it close.

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something has also happened to Arkansas high school football.

Darren McFadden's senior year at North Little Rock was 2004.

in the 17 years since...the state has not produced an equivalent superstar talent

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There have been some good players, not any McFaddens but not many players are his caliber. Still, two Mackey Award Winners, a Rimington award winner and a Hornung award winner (best return man) in there.

Most of the state's best athletes are playing basketball now though, Arkansas is now producing an inordinate amount of good basketball talent for its size and it was a big reason Musselman went to the Elite 8 last year.

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Arkansas in the sec is like tech was in the big12

They can have some success but they have a ceiling and will never win the conference

The closest tgry came was 1998 when they win the west while bama, auburn and LSU were all down but lost to Tennessee in the sec championship game

The dynamic in the sec is completely different now, and Arkansas just has too many big boys to climb over now to get to the top of the mountain

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The closest we've came was actually 2006 when we had all the momentum against Florida in the SEC Championship game (who went on to win the national championship) until we fumbled a punt return and they recovered it in the endzone. Just like the 2011 Sugar Bowl against Ohio State, we seem to always piss it away late in games on the big stage. The 1998 game against Tennessee was a regular season game and the infamous Stoernover fumble where he tripped over his offensive lineman while trying to run the clock out.

Most of Arkansas' existence in the SEC has been where we're just on the edge of really doing something great then we shoot ourselves in the foot in a new way each time and spiral back down again. We've never been as bad as we've been recently though.

Iraq2xVeteran said:

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They probably won't even win 10+ games again, but they will likely win between 6 to 8 games in most years.

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Idk if I would go that far, it seems like a tall task right now but even Bielema could/should have won 10 games a couple of times in 2014-15 if he had a decent FG kicker with how many close games he lost. We lost to Alabama in 2014 because we missed a damn extra point. Kicking cost us 1-2 games last year too. The margin for error in the West is super thin but sometimes you have years where you're fortunate and win almost every toss up game when the ball bounces your way.

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They are a few NIL millionaires away.

With more billionaires to make it happen than any other school in the country.

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Some people may have overestimated how willing companies like Walmart are to engage in NIL though. It's been mostly small businesses so far. Walmart and Tyson IMO would rather spend money on a new facility and have their name on it than try to explain to their stockholders why they are investing in a 17 year old kid.

I could see Jerry Jones maybe doing something but with his grandson on the team it may be weird, especially if it's a QB.

rootube said:

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No they won't. They just need a good coach who doesn't take joyrides with coeds which by all appearances they have. It's funny how quickly people forget how Patrino whipped our asses very recently.

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2009, 2010, 2011 doesn't seem like that long ago when I think that's the last time they beat us. I went to all those games. Painful.

Just beat tu and OU and it opens up their recruiting against two of their biggest recruiting rivals. I think they can win against both.

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rootube said:

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No they won't. They just need a good coach who doesn't take joyrides with coeds which by all appearances they have. It's funny how quickly people forget how Patrino whipped our asses very recently.

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2009, 2010, 2011 doesn't seem like that long ago when I think that's the last time they beat us. I went to all those games. Painful.

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No kidding and those games weren't OT nail biters either. They were good old fashioned woodshed beatings with the good guys on the wrong end.

This is what Arkansas has to and will do to beat A&M.



and where the aggies will be afterward

https://instagr.am/p/CLsou9WhlQP

Jerry Jones can pay young men to play for Arkansas, no?

They'll be fine.

agsalaska said:

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The future SEC may not have Arkansas in it. I think they shed Ole Miss, MSU, and Vanderbilt. Arkansas will be cutting it close.

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I agree. It is clearly all about money and Vanderbilt could disappear tomorrow and the SEC TV value wouldn't change one iota. I think the loyalty to Vandy is just as rock solid as the one sec school state voting block was for keeping tu out.

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agent-maroon said:

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TAMUallen said:

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Vandy will be phased out before Arkansas becomes irrelevant.

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How do you phase out a charter member of the conference?

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Same way you let sip and land thieves in after a decade of trashing their new conference. It's all about the benjamins going forward.

Nothing personal, just business.

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No. Vanderbilt has been there from the very beginning, going back 100 years ago to the SEC's parent conference, the Southern Conference. It would be unconscionable, outrageous, and stupid to even think about voting them out.

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Who wants to take bets that the sips will be the ones to start proceedings to get rid of Vandy.

Emilio Fantastico said:

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Ag Tag said:

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agent-maroon said:

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Ag Tag said:

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TAMUallen said:

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Vandy will be phased out before Arkansas becomes irrelevant.

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How do you phase out a charter member of the conference?

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Same way you let sip and land thieves in after a decade of trashing their new conference. It's all about the benjamins going forward.

Nothing personal, just business.

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No. Vanderbilt has been there from the very beginning, going back 100 years ago to the SEC's parent conference, the Southern Conference. It would be unconscionable, outrageous, and stupid to even think about voting them out.

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Who wants to take bets that the sips will be the ones to start proceedings to get rid of Vandy.

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Sips or ESPN. Although I guess that is probably the same thing.