From what I have read either both tu and ou get into the SEC or neither do. So why are these two siamese twins?

Is the annual game in Dallas THAT important?

Is sippy just "taking care of" ou?

is ou afraid they can't stand on their own two feed with the sips?

I've been reading that it is OU that initiated the move and it's sip that's being taken care of.

tu is the leech but OU leadership thinks the Red River Rivalry is the end all be all superbowl each year so they'll follow the sips like the good gimps they are.

Sipy is the clinger & ou is happy to have em bc they suck

Politics and Money.

Bc the sips want to ensure they have a political ally before making a move.

B/c the sooners alone are not financially worth triggering realignment armegeddon. (I dont think the package is, but I seem to be the minority)

I don't believe for a second that the sips are clinging to ou's skirt in this deal. There is no way that tu wouldn't be the driving force behind this. It is not in their DNA to allow ou to lead them to a "redneck academically inferior" conference.

it has been reported that ou went to texas about them leaving the sinking conference sometime last year. They approached the B1G but ou was turned down for academics so they then approached the SEC, and here we are. I think they both see they bring more value to a conference as a package deal, conferences prefer to add teams in even numbers so this made sense for them to market themselves that way.

a little surprised texas turned down the B1G because that seems to be their preferred landing spot

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tu is the leach but OU leadership thinks the Red River Rivalry is the end all be all superbowl each year so they'll follow the sips like the good gimps they are.

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The RRR was an annual thing prior to the Big 12 (94 years), so the two would just resume it as OOC games.

From what I've heard OU was really wanting out of the B12. I think tu realized that without OU in the B12, even tu couldn't keep that crap conference propped up, so agreed to the move. So, basically after tu spent years running down the SEC (academically), OU is actually kind of forcing them into it. The sips are trying to spin this as "their" power move, but in reality it's just them making the best of a bad situation that OU forced them into.

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I don't believe for a second that the sips are clinging to ou's skirt in this deal. There is no way that tu wouldn't be the driving force behind this. It is not in their DNA to allow ou to lead them to a "redneck academically inferior" conference.

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They don't have a choice

They've been falling behind since we left & it's only getting worse

The sec move will give them a recruiting bump but unless sark pulls a rabbit out the hat they will continue to be dog****

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The sips are trying to spin this as "their" power move, but in reality it's just them making the best of a bad situation that OU forced them into.

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This!

OU is nothing without Texas recruiting...absolutely nothing.

I am sure tu would much prefer to be in the b1g. My feeling is OSU didn't want another "blue blook prom queen" in the conference. Can you imagine the cat fights? So ou not being an aau school was a good out.

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From what I've heard OU was really wanting out of the B12. I think tu realized that without OU in the B12, even tu couldn't keep that crap conference propped up, so agreed to the move. So, basically after tu spent years running down the SEC (academically), OU is actually kind of forcing them into it. The sips are trying to spin this as "their" power move, but in reality it's just them making the best of a bad situation that OU forced them into.

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If they are following OU's lead then this ain't your Daddy's Texas. They have fallen pretty far.

Kern Tips is rolling over in his grave

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From what I've heard OU was really wanting out of the B12. I think tu realized that without OU in the B12, even tu couldn't keep that crap conference propped up, so agreed to the move. So, basically after tu spent years running down the SEC (academically), OU is actually kind of forcing them into it. The sips are trying to spin this as "their" power move, but in reality it's just them making the best of a bad situation that OU forced them into.

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I get that OU would want to get out for $$$ reasons to keep up with the joneses, but as a matter of football alone ...it doesn't make sense. They have, by far, the easiest path to the playoff of any school in the country and have won most Big 12 titles since it's inception.

Texas, if they can right their ship, would also have a pretty easy path to the CFB as well. I cant imagine they would want to put that at risk.

If OU really started this train, look for the sips to torpedo it in the 11th hour.

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Win At Life said:

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From what I've heard OU was really wanting out of the B12. I think tu realized that without OU in the B12, even tu couldn't keep that crap conference propped up, so agreed to the move. So, basically after tu spent years running down the SEC (academically), OU is actually kind of forcing them into it. The sips are trying to spin this as "their" power move, but in reality it's just them making the best of a bad situation that OU forced them into.

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If they are following OU's lead then this ain't your Daddy's Texas. They have fallen pretty far.

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True but I agree that OU initiated the bailout. I think they just don't see a future in the B12 and the RRR getting aired at 11:00 was an alarm going off for them. Texas was okay with what they had orchestrated but they weren't going to be left without a chair so they're getting out while the getting is good. I still won't be surprised if they don't end up in the sec though.

Either one by themself does not bring enough value. Very Questionable if they even do as a package imo without some
Help which is the part I can't figure out. SEC Needs 2 to come in at the same time.

Well for one you need two teams. Where is the second team of their stature that is currently in a conference that is financially unviable?

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it has been reported that ou went to texas about them leaving the sinking conference sometime last year. They approached the B1G but ou was turned down for academics so they then approached the SEC, and here we are. I think they both see they bring more value to a conference as a package deal, conferences prefer to add teams in even numbers so this made sense for them to market themselves that way.

a little surprised texas turned down the B1G because that seems to be their preferred landing spot

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I've heard very similar to what you just described. No doubt Texas faculty would prefer the B10, but without OU that would leave Texas playing none of their biggest three rivals (OU, Aggie and Arkansas). Texas looks to finally be making a football decision for once, the B10 has some advantages but the lure of the SEC is to strong to pass up. The Texas brand has been devalued the past decade and it looks like they are making decisions to reverse that.

That's not nearly as important as it was since the SEC will usually have four or five teams in the playoffs.

For an expansion, there needs to be two teams. I would have been ok with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State joining the SEC. That would have continued the Bedlam Series, but Oklahoma clearly values the Red River Rivalry with Texas much more.

OU has had a standing offer from the SEC since we left. Their joining has nothing to do with Texas other than needing two team.

Oklahoma, no matter what conference needs to be playing in Texas every year or tied to either us or Texas. They get that no matter what and SEC isn't adding Oklahoma St. so it is what it is. Texas is running out of long term options to put them on even playing fileld with us and SEC. Can't beat em, join em.

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Oklahoma clearly values the Red River Rivalry with Texas much more.

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No doubt. Without the RRR they lose their Texas recruiting presence and basically become Nebraska.

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From what I've heard OU was really wanting out of the B12. I think tu realized that without OU in the B12, even tu couldn't keep that crap conference propped up, so agreed to the move. So, basically after tu spent years running down the SEC (academically), OU is actually kind of forcing them into it. The sips are trying to spin this as "their" power move, but in reality it's just them making the best of a bad situation that OU forced them into.

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If they are following OU's lead then this ain't your Daddy's Texas. They have fallen pretty far.

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True but I agree that OU initiated the bailout. I think they just don't see a future in the B12 and the RRR getting aired at 11:00 was an alarm going off for them. Texas was okay with what they had orchestrated but they weren't going to be left without a chair so they're getting out while the getting is good. I still won't be surprised if they don't end up in the sec though.

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Although it received little publicity at the time (I didn't even learn of it until today) last August ESPN cut off all studio shows on the LHN. It was effectively dead back then.

That meant the way was clear for a Big XII conference network. I'm sure someone ran the numbers at ESPN and Fox. So why no conference network? Because it wasn't worth it. That means OU and tu are not that valuable.

If OU sees the 12 folding and need the RRR to keep their recruiting lanes open...

They saw what tu did when we left. Screw the rivalry. If you're not at our beck and call, if you do anything to harm us long term, it's over. They'll take their ball and go home. Is it cutting their nose to spite their face? Very likely but they're awfully proud of their perception of their own brand

Pretty clear to me. tu is the catcher and zeroU is the pitcher...

Beyond that, IMO and as others have pointed out, ESiPN is the trois in this mnage. The money it will pay out and savings that will accrue to it through getting rid of the LHN that make that payout feasible.

What I don't understand is why our school has done - ostensibly - nothing. This is the kind of thing that happens to people/institutions that have been too dutiful and then some.

ETA: And, why haven't the BDF member institutions done anything?

Ok, so if the preferred member of the two is OU, do this. Take OU, go after Cincinnati (large TV market up there) or UNC (good regional TV market). Our play would then be we renew our game with tu on Thanksgiving, which by itself would generate millions of $$$ for both sides plus Fexas improves their home schedule every other year which they need to do. Texas then could be "pursued" by the BG10 which is really where they want to be anyway. Playing Fexas makes LSU happy because they don't like that game on Thanksgiving anyway. The RRR could still be played to keep those guys happy.

Shoot me; go ahead.

OU was bolting, and gave texas the heads up.

Thing I can't wrap my head around is, they had them cornered. They could've done this without them. With no traditional rival left, especially the RR game, it would've been a huge blow. They can talk money all day long, but the Sooners were going to get it anyway in the SEC.

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Ok, so if the preferred member of the two is OU, do this. Take OU, go after Cincinnati (large TV market up there) or UNC (good regional TV market). Our play would then be we renew our game with tu on Thanksgiving, which by itself would generate millions of $$$ for both sides plus Fexas improves their home schedule every other year which they need to do. Texas then could be "pursued" by the BG10 which is really where they want to be anyway. Playing Fexas makes LSU happy because they don't like that game on Thanksgiving anyway. The RRR could still be played to keep those guys happy.

Shoot me; go ahead.

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If it takes agreeing to the T-Day game with sips to keep them out of the conference, I'd agree to that.

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Ok, so if the preferred member of the two is OU, do this. Take OU, go after Cincinnati (large TV market up there) or UNC (good regional TV market). Our play would then be we renew our game with tu on Thanksgiving, which by itself would generate millions of $$$ for both sides plus Fexas improves their home schedule every other year which they need to do. Texas then could be "pursued" by the BG10 which is really where they want to be anyway. Playing Fexas makes LSU happy because they don't like that game on Thanksgiving anyway. The RRR could still be played to keep those guys happy.

Shoot me; go ahead.

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I posted this similar scenario on another thread recently, I am not sure the A&M leadership shouldn't push for this if they have any ability to do so.

• Take in Okie
• leave tu out for the B1G or Independent, but look to play them every year if it keeps them out of SEC
• ou and tu can still play the RRS
• SEC grabs another member from NC or maybe VA tech (or even okie state)
• SEC gets more exposure in more states
• tu gets to pick B1G, Indy, or Pac 12, where all three are a better cultural fit for them.
• B1G needs to do something, so why not tu and ku?

I always heard okieLite was tied legislatively to OU, so has something changed? or this is not the case?

I agree. This thing has played out very strangely. I would not be surprised at all if the sips have another turn involved.

IIRC, even the 2010 meltdown did not or take this long to play out. They presented us a loaded gun on a Wednesday or Thursday. We told the PAC to GFTS on Saturday or Sunday. The sips then tapped the breaks.


Alternative Theory:

The sips like their plantation the way it is, but needed to appease ou. The sips either told us what was happening in time for us to stop it, or leaked it directly to BrentZ. Either way, the sips are counting on it getting shot down.

Reason: The sips have the LHN until 2030. That gives them plenty of time to find another playground before the money runs dry.

Maybe us agreeing to resume the rivalry was part of the bargain, maybe not.

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OU has had a standing offer from the SEC since we left. Their joining has nothing to do with Texas other than needing two team.

Oklahoma, no matter what conference needs to be playing in Texas every year or tied to either us or Texas. They get that no matter what and SEC isn't adding Oklahoma St. so it is what it is. Texas is running out of long term options to put them on even playing fileld with us and SEC. Can't beat em, join em.

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This. Many here put too much stock in whatever people say and not the reality of the situation.

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I agree. This thing has played out very strangely. I would not be surprised at all if the sips have another turn involved.

IIRC, even the 2010 meltdown did not or take this long to play out. They presented us a loaded gun on a Wednesday or Thursday. We told the PAC to GFTS on Saturday or Sunday. The sips then tapped the breaks.


Alternative Theory:

The sips like their plantation the way it is, but needed to appease ou. The sips either told us what was happening in time for us to stop it, or leaked it directly to BrentZ. Either way, the sips are counting on it getting shot down.

Reason: The sips have the LHN until 2030. That gives them plenty of time to find another playground before the money runs dry.

Maybe us agreeing to resume the rivalry was part of the bargain, maybe not.

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Is there any real excitement on the part of the sips about joining the SEC? I haven't seen it.

I can buy that this is either a negotiating tactic with the Big XII-II+II or that this was Plan B after the B1G turned down the sooners.