Cream rises to the top.

Jimbo has more championships than Riley and the drunk. Jimbo puts more players in the NFL.

Everything a kid wants is right here. We got this.

The NIL will be a FAR bigger deal than anything else.

agsalaska said:

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The NIL will be a FAR bigger deal than anything else.

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I think so

cochrum said:

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Thats right now. But what about 10 years from now? Texas will always be an elite program. Why give them any advantage?

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In the eyes of the media, and thusly in the opinions of sheep, yes.

Ags need to reopen the journalism wing and throw millions at it.

Jimbo is our #1 recruiting advantage.

Is he taking the job in Austin? If not, I'm not worried. He'll be here a long time. Enjoy the ride and worry about the next coach when that time comes.

Winning is the best recruiting tool but being the only Texas school in the SEC has definitely been an advantage. This will have a negative impact. Time will tell how much.

I agree with the OP.

It was our regional advantage. Sankey is paid bug bucks to watch out for the SEC. Not ATM.

AggieRob93 said:

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Ags need to reopen the journalism wing and throw millions at it.

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While we're at it, let's do a better job of engaging and publicizing about our star pro former students.

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I dont think some people realize the negative long term impact of allowing texas and OU in the SEC will be. I understand the confidence of having Jimbo Fisher as a coach but he is not going to be here forever. It is very hard to hire a coach of his caliber as we know from experience (and texas for that matter). Since we have been in the SEC our recruiting has improved while texas has been lacking some. It is hard to hear but Texas will most likely over take us in recruiting if and when they are in the SEC. Too many people are willing to sell our #1 advantage over or rival for some extra cash or the idea that we can start playing again. Allowing texas into the SEC will not benefit us...at all. If it would benefit us they would not be trying to get it in. They want in because it will help them more than it will help us. This is the truth.

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sonnysixkiller said:

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Yep, remember that sick feeling you got on Saturdays when Dennis Franchone was about to run on the field .....

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You know Fran's last game for us was in Austin I believe and we beat the sips.

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In College Station*

cochrum said:

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I dont think some people realize the negative long term impact of allowing texas and OU in the SEC will be. I understand the confidence of having Jimbo Fisher as a coach but he is not going to be here forever. It is very hard to hire a coach of his caliber as we know from experience (and texas for that matter). Since we have been in the SEC our recruiting has improved while texas has been lacking some. It is hard to hear but Texas will most likely over take us in recruiting if and when they are in the SEC. Too many people are willing to sell our #1 advantage over or rival for some extra cash or the idea that we can start playing again. Allowing texas into the SEC will not benefit us...at all. If it would benefit us they would not be trying to get it in. They want in because it will help them more than it will help us. This is the truth.

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This man speaks the truth.
tu has realized that they cannot recruit at our level if they remain in B12.

There was never going to be a way we would beat TU at recruiting long term without actually defeating them at some point. That's just not how life, business or even relationships work. Jeez- calm down people

ValleyRatAg said:

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Recruiting has changed. Conference affiliation is going to be second to how many endorsements can you get me? It's doesn't matter where the sips were, now it's just a bidding war for players. See Alabama's million dollar man.

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And with all the new tech-industry money in Austin, they're going to have pockets deeper than anything College Station has, and it won't even be close.

TrentCremm****99 said:

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Cream rises to the top.

Jimbo has more championships than Riley and the drunk. Jimbo puts more players in the NFL.

Everything a kid wants is right here. We got this.

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Strong point. Texas A&M is SEC-elite ready right now.

Texas will struggle with the belief they are already better than this conference. The attitude will prevent them from making real progress.

You have everything required to succeed regardless of who is in this conference.

I don't think this is going to stop at Texas and Oklahoma.

I think this conference is going massive. I think the SEC is attempting to become the clear go-to stop for football outside the NFL.

If you aren't prepared for a brawl at this roadhouse every Saturday, then heaven help you.

I would suggest that a program who struggles against Kansas and Maryland, who struggles in a conference where they make the rules, has got a long way to go before they impress anyone in the SEC.

As for my alma mater, Tennessee, we need to stop hiring idiots or we're going to be in trouble.

But if that doesn't change, at least we'll have Vandy and Texas from time to time to beat up on.

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ValleyRatAg said:

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Recruiting has changed. Conference affiliation is going to be second to how many endorsements can you get me? It's doesn't matter where the sips were, now it's just a bidding war for players. See Alabama's million dollar man.

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And with all the new tech-industry money in Austin, they're going to have pockets deeper than anything College Station has, and it won't even be close.

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Ummmm.... So.... Is Tuscaloosa overflowing with new tech money now funding Bama QB???? Oh boy, my money is now on Stanford and Palo Alto.

We have plenty of other advantages, primarily our culture. Most parents are not enamored with hedonistic environment for their 18-year old. Austin really is a cesspool. It lags San Fran by about 5 years.

Winning. That is the best recruiting pitch. We have two years. If we win a championship, or make it to the final game, that will be all we need for recruiting. Stability. We have a coach we are keeping. Environment. We still care about football like most "small college towns". Austin is about politics. That demographic doesn't care about football. Culture. People at A&M are generally nice. They take pride in it. t.u. - not so much. Winning.

We lost jimbo?

I agree with everyone saying recruits are going to be going where they can get good endorsements and A&M can certainly provide that whereas TU can provide that tooBUT with how woke liberal TU has gotten and the whole drama on the eyes of Texas song, lots of their donors have already threatened to pull out so their future there could be rocky. Might not be but just a thought

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ValleyRatAg said:

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Recruiting has changed. Conference affiliation is going to be second to how many endorsements can you get me? It's doesn't matter where the sips were, now it's just a bidding war for players. See Alabama's million dollar man.

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And with all the new tech-industry money in Austin, they're going to have pockets deeper than anything College Station has, and it won't even be close.

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I don't see the connection with the new-tech money in Austin fueling a rise in the sip fortunes. I think you are confusing proximity of new-tech money with participation of new-tech money, and Austin has become much bigger than sipper u.

The issue is the media. When you have significant influence within the media, you can make anything APPEAR to be in your favor, or at least your opponent's disfavor.

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We have plenty of other advantages, primarily our culture. Most parents are not enamored with hedonistic environment for their 18-year old. Austin really is a cesspool. It lags San Fran by about 5 years.

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The culture is a significant part of the whole. It helps feed the ambition and lays the foundation for long-term success.

The culture at Texas is more worried about regulating offensive hand gestures than doing the work necessary to produce the kind of football program that can succeed in the SEC.

The comparison of Austin with San Francisco is apt in more than ways than one. They will be the SEC's Berkeley, on the field and off it.

cochrum said:

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Thats right now. But what about 10 years from now? Texas will always be an elite program. Why give them any advantage?

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Texas is not an elite program. It has a large fanbase. There is a difference.

I doubt anyone here is in favor of it. It effectively dilutes the pool of talent from Texas a little bit more.

I think any resignation about it is just acceptance. With ESPN on the opposing side there's just not much one can do here.

Blue blood status has its privileges.

Moving to the SEC was a "hundred year decision". We have a 10 year head start on t.u. Is that enough?

How long before it reverts back to the 'big brother, little brother' dynamic of SWC and Big 12 days between t.u. and A&M.

Whether we like it or not, appearances have an impact. In my opinion, the t.u. arrogance hasn't been knocked down enough for me to be comfortable trusting A&M to be treated as an equal to t.u. by t.u.

The statement, "Don't worry, we'll take care of you" still rings loudly to me. They cannot be trusted.

eta: I would have much preferred if they had said, "you're on your own, we're taking care of ourselves".

Dad-O-Lot said:

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Moving to the SEC was a "hundred year decision". We have a 10 year head start on t.u. Is that enough?

How long before it reverts back to the 'big brother, little brother' dynamic of SWC and Big 12 days between t.u. and A&M.

Whether we like it or not, appearances have an impact. In my opinion, the t.u. arrogance hasn't been knocked down enough for me to be comfortable trusting A&M to be treated as an equal to t.u. by t.u.

The statement, "Don't worry, we'll take care of you" still rings loudly to me. They cannot be trusted.

eta: I would have much preferred if they had said, "you're on your own, we're taking care of ourselves".

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sips so desperate they want to join the SEC and that's your conclusion?

Can't wait to see them walk into Starkville.

The crying about the cowbells from those losers will be epic.

When they walk into the SEC meetings and demand a ban, they'll know they are in a new world when everyone in that room outside of Oxford just laughs at their whiny asses.

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Dad-O-Lot said:

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Moving to the SEC was a "hundred year decision". We have a 10 year head start on t.u. Is that enough?

How long before it reverts back to the 'big brother, little brother' dynamic of SWC and Big 12 days between t.u. and A&M.

Whether we like it or not, appearances have an impact. In my opinion, the t.u. arrogance hasn't been knocked down enough for me to be comfortable trusting A&M to be treated as an equal to t.u. by t.u.

The statement, "Don't worry, we'll take care of you" still rings loudly to me. They cannot be trusted.

eta: I would have much preferred if they had said, "you're on your own, we're taking care of ourselves".

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sips so desperate they want to join the SEC and that's your conclusion?

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If they were coming "hat in hand" apologetically asking to join and recognizing that it was their toxicity that killed every other conference they were in, I would have a different conclusion. It appears that they are coming in and assuming that they will step in and assume their "rightful" place as "Texas", in the SEC. They are bringing their arrogance with them.

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No Spin Ag said:

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ValleyRatAg said:

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Recruiting has changed. Conference affiliation is going to be second to how many endorsements can you get me? It's doesn't matter where the sips were, now it's just a bidding war for players. See Alabama's million dollar man.

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And with all the new tech-industry money in Austin, they're going to have pockets deeper than anything College Station has, and it won't even be close.

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Ummmm.... So.... Is Tuscaloosa overflowing with new tech money now funding Bama QB???? Oh boy, my money is now on Stanford and Palo Alto.

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But we are comparing what we can offer compared to Austin. Alabama is it's own world because of what Saban made them. In the rest of the world, schools have to convince players to choose them over others schools that are on the same level, or at least hope to get the best leftovers that the schools like Alabama reject, and it's at that point that we have to be able to give, not show anymore, but give, players things they can't get somewhere else. Austin is going to be tough to beat when they too can so, "And son, with us you'll be playing in the SEC, and also, there's a few dozen of people from these companies that want to meet with you when we're done." And that's where we need to be able to compete with Austin, because kids that are being sought after care more about getting into the NFL and what they'll get for playing at the school they're playing at until they get into the NFL, far more than "I went to (fill in the blank) school".

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BadAggie said:

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Dad-O-Lot said:

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Moving to the SEC was a "hundred year decision". We have a 10 year head start on t.u. Is that enough?

How long before it reverts back to the 'big brother, little brother' dynamic of SWC and Big 12 days between t.u. and A&M.

Whether we like it or not, appearances have an impact. In my opinion, the t.u. arrogance hasn't been knocked down enough for me to be comfortable trusting A&M to be treated as an equal to t.u. by t.u.

The statement, "Don't worry, we'll take care of you" still rings loudly to me. They cannot be trusted.

eta: I would have much preferred if they had said, "you're on your own, we're taking care of ourselves".

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sips so desperate they want to join the SEC and that's your conclusion?

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If they were coming "hat in hand" apologetically asking to join and recognizing that it was their toxicity that killed every other conference they were in, I would have a different conclusion. It appears that they are coming in and assuming that they will step in and assume their "rightful" place as "Texas", in the SEC. They are bringing their arrogance with them.

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Outwardly arrogant, inwardly desperate.

cochrum said:

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Many schools recruit well in Texas and always will. My point still stands. Why get rid of our number 1 recruiting advantage over our close rivals?

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Rivals actually play each other.

Dad-O-Lot said:

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Moving to the SEC was a "hundred year decision". We have a 10 year head start on t.u. Is that enough?

How long before it reverts back to the 'big brother, little brother' dynamic of SWC and Big 12 days between t.u. and A&M.

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For years, recruiting in the state of Texas has played out like an unfairly weighted draft. First, that school in Austin takes its pick of 20 to 25 prospects, most of whom commit nearly a year before Signing Day. Then the state's other top programs divvy up the best of the rest.

But now, on the heels of its best football season in 56 years, Texas A&M is asserting itself as the new Lone Star recruiting juggernaut.For the first time in at least 15 years, the Aggies are poised to assemble a more highly touted haul than their two former Big 12 nemeses, Texas and Oklahoma.

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-Stewart Mandel as quoted in Texas Monthly (Feb, 2013)

It took us a once and a lifetime player and joining the SEC to put us on a trajectory that up until then we only achieved once in the mid 80's to mid 90's. JFF and the 2012 season were the catalyst. Our SEC membership has maintained our recruiting success over our rivals and our records bear that out. History is not on our side. Now there is the NIL and as everyone is pointing out, we have already lost recruits to Oregon.

It's stupid to even state a shift in the landscape has already begun, but I feel like some of us are dismissing the seismic events of the NIL and OU and Texas joining the SEC. They're repeating the same mantra from the past, that we are being ******* and should man up, play the game and just win.

History says otherwise.

We don't win the games when we don't win in recruiting.

Everyone here realizes that In the next year or two, "recruiting advantage" will mean nothing more than the ability to pay more than other schools, right?