Asked a high-level Texas source last night about what might happen to the other Big 12 schools with Texas and OU headed to the SEC.

The response?

"Ultimately, we don't really care."

— Geoff Ketchum (@gkketch) July 23, 2021

Yea that sounds about right.

Heisenberg01 said:

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Asked a high-level Texas source last night about what might happen to the other Big 12 schools with Texas and OU headed to the SEC.

The response?

"Ultimately, we don't really care."

— Geoff Ketchum (@gkketch) July 23, 2021

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Ketch is probably the biggest fool out there in all this but seriously, why should they care?

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Heisenberg01 said:

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Asked a high-level Texas source last night about what might happen to the other Big 12 schools with Texas and OU headed to the SEC.

The response?

"Ultimately, we don't really care."

— Geoff Ketchum (@gkketch) July 23, 2021

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Ketch is probably the biggest fool out there in all this but seriously, why should they care?

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If you had asked Aggies the same question when we bolted to the SEC the answer would have been the same.

Ketchum trying to get more clicks. He's just wording things intentionally to get a rise out of people.

Would it be as big of a deal if he had paraphrased instead, "We want all of our Big 12 partners to be successful and we wish them the best in the future, but the landscape of CFB has changed dramatically in just a few months and we have to position ourselves to compete at the highest levels possible." ?

No, our response was and still is **** tu

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Heisenberg01 said:

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Asked a high-level Texas source last night about what might happen to the other Big 12 schools with Texas and OU headed to the SEC.

The response?

"Ultimately, we don't really care."

— Geoff Ketchum (@gkketch) July 23, 2021

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Ketch is probably the biggest fool out there in all this but seriously, why should they care?

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If you had asked Aggies the same question when we bolted to the SEC the answer would have been the same.

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Well sure and I still don't care, but our leaving didn't destroy a conference.

Umm, our answer was more like, "They can go to hell."

There was a lot of emotions when we left, we did care about the other schools, we wanted them to crash and burn. Remember the way we were treated after we announced our move to the SEC? Totally different than how tu and OU are being treated upon there exit, the other schools seem totally fine with them blowing up the Big XII conference...

Alabama better watch their back. When the Big-12 formed Nebraska was one of the biggest and baddest teams in the nation having just won national titles in 1994 and 1995. They were one of the bluest of the blue bloods in the sport. When Texas arrived at the merge of the old Big-8 and the SWC four, Texas led the charge to create new rules that effectively neutered the Cornhuskers. They've never been the same since.

Haven't seen that idiot quoted on TA in a long time.

Was assuming it was a bannable offense. Kinda like photos of BikerFox.

LOL, to be fair I really don't care either.

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Umm, our answer was more like, "They can go to hell."

There was a lot of emotions when we left, we did care about the other schools, we wanted them to crash and burn. Remember the way we were treated after we announced our move to the SEC? Totally different than how tu and OU are being treated upon there exit, the other schools seem totally fine with them blowing up the Big XII conference...

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Disagree, as our leaving didn't torch the conference or completely relegate Tech, baylor, Okie State to 3rd tier status. The little 12 led by cow and Zero-U made it clear they would be just fine (and even better!) with the newly shrunk little 12 conference. We were focused on our benefit, to be sure, but we were not crashing the Titanic on the way out.

What cow and OU are doing now is dumping on tech and the other conference members and relegating them to Sam Houston State status...

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Alabama better watch their back. When the Big-12 formed Nebraska was one of the biggest and baddest teams in the nation having just won national titles in 1994 and 1995. They were one of the bluest of the blue bloods in the sport. When Texas arrived at the merge of the old Big-8 and the SWC four, Texas led the charge to create new rules that effectively neutered the Cornhuskers. They've never been the same since.

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I disagree being on the losing end of many 11-1 votes (that A&M joined with by the way) was the reason for Nebraska's demise. The Big 12 was tremendously successful financially and the influx of dollars allowed most of the member schools to upgrade their programs. Given Nebraska's natural disadvantages as well as considering the untapped potential in the southern schools, it was more a case of the other Big 12 schools finally doing something with what they had.

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Heisenberg01 said:

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Asked a high-level Texas source last night about what might happen to the other Big 12 schools with Texas and OU headed to the SEC.

The response?

"Ultimately, we don't really care."

— Geoff Ketchum (@gkketch) July 23, 2021

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Ketch is probably the biggest fool out there in all this but seriously, why should they care?

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If you had asked Aggies the same question when we bolted to the SEC the answer would have been the same.

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Well sure and I still don't care, but our leaving didn't destroy a conference.

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We were acting in our own best interests which is fine and appropriate. To suggest we only decided to leave because we were sure the B12 would survive is not accurate.

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aggiephoenix02 said:

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Umm, our answer was more like, "They can go to hell."

There was a lot of emotions when we left, we did care about the other schools, we wanted them to crash and burn. Remember the way we were treated after we announced our move to the SEC? Totally different than how tu and OU are being treated upon there exit, the other schools seem totally fine with them blowing up the Big XII conference...

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Disagree, as our leaving didn't torch the conference or completely relegate Tech, baylor, Okie State to 3rd tier status. The little 12 led by cow and Zero-U made it clear they would be just fine (and even better!) with the newly shrunk little 12 conference. We were focused on our benefit, to be sure, but we were not crashing the Titanic on the way out.

What cow and OU are doing now is dumping on tech and the other conference members and relegating them to Sam Houston State status...

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Thats what I'm saying! When we left the small schools hated us, had lawsuits drawn up, had the media lampoon us, and the conference was still in a decent posting to continue moving forward without us.

Now that OU and tu are leaving and actually and literally destroying the conference the little schools are accepting it, no fight what do ever, not even anger, just laying down...

This is some game of thrones *****

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Alabama better watch their back. When the Big-12 formed Nebraska was one of the biggest and baddest teams in the nation having just won national titles in 1994 and 1995. They were one of the bluest of the blue bloods in the sport. When Texas arrived at the merge of the old Big-8 and the SWC four, Texas led the charge to create new rules that effectively neutered the Cornhuskers. They've never been the same since.

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I disagree being on the losing end of many 11-1 votes (that A&M joined with by the way) was the reason for Nebraska's demise. The Big 12 was tremendously successful financially and the influx of dollars allowed most of the member schools to upgrade their programs. Given Nebraska's natural disadvantages as well as considering the untapped potential in the southern schools, it was more a case of the other Big 12 schools finally doing something with what they had.

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I know the votes were 11-1 .... Texas led a "gang up on Nebraska" charge to bring the Huskers down to earth. Oklahoma at that time had fallen on hard times and Nebraska was the 800 lb gorilla of the conference and one of the few said gorillas in college football. Texas led the rules changes charge and rallied the other schools to the cause.

The effort worked in that Nebraska lost the recruiting tools it needed given it's geographic location. Tools it used to build itself into what it was. Over time Nebraska slowly faded from national relevance and the power of the conference slipped from the north to the south. It also, though, destroyed one of the conferences national brands.

A&M and Missou's leaving basically did hobble the Big 12 and UT kept it afloat bc it had its LHN. OU was doing fine regularly going to the Playoff.

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Alabama better watch their back. When the Big-12 formed Nebraska was one of the biggest and baddest teams in the nation having just won national titles in 1994 and 1995. They were one of the bluest of the blue bloods in the sport. When Texas arrived at the merge of the old Big-8 and the SWC four, Texas led the charge to create new rules that effectively neutered the Cornhuskers. They've never been the same since.

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I disagree being on the losing end of many 11-1 votes (that A&M joined with by the way) was the reason for Nebraska's demise. The Big 12 was tremendously successful financially and the influx of dollars allowed most of the member schools to upgrade their programs. Given Nebraska's natural disadvantages as well as considering the untapped potential in the southern schools, it was more a case of the other Big 12 schools finally doing something with what they had.

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I know the votes were 11-1 .... Texas led a "gang up on Nebraska" charge to bring the Huskers down to earth. Oklahoma at that time had fallen on hard times and Nebraska was the 800 lb gorilla of the conference and one of the few said gorillas in college football. Texas led the rules changes charge and rallied the other schools to the cause.

The effort worked in that Nebraska lost the recruiting tools it needed given it's geographic location. Tools it used to build itself into what it was. Over time Nebraska slowly faded from national relevance and the power of the conference slipped from the north to the south. It also, though, destroyed one of the conferences national brands.

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The main advantage Nebraska lost was their heavy use of Prop B student athlete qualifiers. Something every other school that cared about the idea of athletes also being qualified students supported. Yeah, that included A&M, a fine academic university. Of course with the way CFB has changed, I think we all know no one actually cares anymore about athletes being students first.

I think you overstate the idea of Texas forming a super-coalition that included everyone except Nebraska just to neuter Nebraska in football. It sounds good and lets people bash Texas, so I get it.

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If this sort of **** starts getting flagged in the SEC, you'll know who to thank.

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Alabama better watch their back. When the Big-12 formed Nebraska was one of the biggest and baddest teams in the nation having just won national titles in 1994 and 1995. They were one of the bluest of the blue bloods in the sport. When Texas arrived at the merge of the old Big-8 and the SWC four, Texas led the charge to create new rules that effectively neutered the Cornhuskers. They've never been the same since.

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It will be glorious to watch occur. BAMA doesn't play the power game nearly as well as 'sip does.

Heisenberg01 said:

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Asked a high-level Texas source last night about what might happen to the other Big 12 schools with Texas and OU headed to the SEC.

The response?

"Ultimately, we don't really care."

— Geoff Ketchum (@gkketch) July 23, 2021

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Did A&M care in 2012?

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Heisenberg01 said:

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Asked a high-level Texas source last night about what might happen to the other Big 12 schools with Texas and OU headed to the SEC.

The response?

"Ultimately, we don't really care."

— Geoff Ketchum (@gkketch) July 23, 2021

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Ketch is probably the biggest fool out there in all this but seriously, why should they care?

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If you had asked Aggies the same question when we bolted to the SEC the answer would have been the same.

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Well sure and I still don't care, but our leaving didn't destroy a conference.

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We were acting in our own best interests which is fine and appropriate. To suggest we only decided to leave because we were sure the B12 would survive is not accurate.

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And?

Read the whole thread before you post the same question others already have, that's what the discussion has been about...

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Alabama better watch their back. When the Big-12 formed Nebraska was one of the biggest and baddest teams in the nation having just won national titles in 1994 and 1995. They were one of the bluest of the blue bloods in the sport. When Texas arrived at the merge of the old Big-8 and the SWC four, Texas led the charge to create new rules that effectively neutered the Cornhuskers. They've never been the same since.

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I disagree being on the losing end of many 11-1 votes (that A&M joined with by the way) was the reason for Nebraska's demise. The Big 12 was tremendously successful financially and the influx of dollars allowed most of the member schools to upgrade their programs. Given Nebraska's natural disadvantages as well as considering the untapped potential in the southern schools, it was more a case of the other Big 12 schools finally doing something with what they had.

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I know the votes were 11-1 .... Texas led a "gang up on Nebraska" charge to bring the Huskers down to earth. Oklahoma at that time had fallen on hard times and Nebraska was the 800 lb gorilla of the conference and one of the few said gorillas in college football. Texas led the rules changes charge and rallied the other schools to the cause.

The effort worked in that Nebraska lost the recruiting tools it needed given it's geographic location. Tools it used to build itself into what it was. Over time Nebraska slowly faded from national relevance and the power of the conference slipped from the north to the south. It also, though, destroyed one of the conferences national brands.

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The main advantage Nebraska lost was their heavy use of Prop B student athlete qualifiers. Something every other school that cared about the idea of athletes also being qualified students supported. Yeah, that included A&M, a fine academic university. Of course with the way CFB has changed, I think we all know no one actually cares anymore about athletes being students first.

I think you overstate the idea of Texas forming a super-coalition that included everyone except Nebraska just to neuter Nebraska in football. It sounds good and lets people bash Texas, so I get it.

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It isn't some made up narrative ... it was part of the story at the time. Not the whole story but part of it.

https://www.si.com/college/2016/08/16/big-12-expansion-oral-history-big-8-swc-merger

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It took more than a year for the conference to resolve these arguments, and the debate was portrayed in the press as acrimonious, with battle lines drawn at times between the old Big Eight and old SWC, other times between the haves and the have-nots and too often between Texas and Nebraska.

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One issue, though, was especially divisive: the question of how many partial qualifiers, if any, would be allowed to compete. Nebraska for years had admitted these "Prop 48" athletes, who did not meet the NCAA's eligibility requirements; instead of attending junior college, they'd lose a year of eligibility but benefit from the school's academic support to get their scores up to par. In fact, on Nebraska's 1995 national championship team, four starters were Prop 48 players. However, the SWC had not allowed partial qualifiers, nor did Texas think the new league should. Eventually, the Big 12 ruled that it would allow two male and two female Prop 48 athletes per school per year, angering Nebraska.

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Slocum: Nebraska came in with a great program and a great history, and I think they were offended all along. Tom Osborne told me that at the time that they resented the way they were treated at some time in the conference. They were like a little stepchild from the north.

Walden (Iowa State coach from 1987-94): I won't say who [told me], but one of the major reasons why Nebraska left to go to the Big Ten [in 2010] was they were tired of Texas. That's just an opinion. Maybe 100 people will deny that, but that's what I surmise.

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It isn't some made up narrative ... it was part of the story at the time. Not the whole story but part of it.

https://www.si.com/college/2016/08/16/big-12-expansion-oral-history-big-8-swc-merger

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Mac, I actually remember reading that article at the time it came out. To me, it's a lot of bluster from various people and while it is entertaining I don't see it as the absolute stark black and white reality.

To me it always comes back to 11-1 and there were many of those. Did evil Texas truly control every other school like a puppet on strings to take down lily pure Nebraska? Or did every school vote to their own self-interest? Or somewhere in between where someone like Bockrath at Texas Tech thought to himself, I don't really care about this but since Texas & A&M do, I'll vote their way and they'll owe me one?

I realize Texas is the devil to you, and that's fine. It's just sports in the end.

Looking through the SI article ... it's also interesting how much EPSN/ABC played a roll in it all. Same as now. ESPN has taken over the sport and made it their own toy to manipulate.

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Heisenberg01 said:

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Asked a high-level Texas source last night about what might happen to the other Big 12 schools with Texas and OU headed to the SEC.

The response?

"Ultimately, we don't really care."

— Geoff Ketchum (@gkketch) July 23, 2021

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Ketch is probably the biggest fool out there in all this but seriously, why should they care?

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If you had asked Aggies the same question when we bolted to the SEC the answer would have been the same.

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True, but we were never their keeper. Texas was.

I just find it odd that all Texas has done the last 10 years is talk down the SEC, whether it be academics, culture, etc. Never mind that we are academically superior overall as a conference. I understand how lucrative this is, but other than putting a thumb in our eye, I can't see how this helps Texas. There road just got more difficult. OU makes more since to me however.

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Alabama better watch their back. When the Big-12 formed Nebraska was one of the biggest and baddest teams in the nation having just won national titles in 1994 and 1995. They were one of the bluest of the blue bloods in the sport. When Texas arrived at the merge of the old Big-8 and the SWC four, Texas led the charge to create new rules that effectively neutered the Cornhuskers. They've never been the same since.

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It will be glorious to watch occur. BAMA doesn't play the power game nearly as well as 'sip does.

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Bama is going to be so surprised when they beat Texas year after year, yet Texas will still take over their conference.

This is what the SEC doesn't understand.

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Alabama better watch their back. When the Big-12 formed Nebraska was one of the biggest and baddest teams in the nation having just won national titles in 1994 and 1995. They were one of the bluest of the blue bloods in the sport. When Texas arrived at the merge of the old Big-8 and the SWC four, Texas led the charge to create new rules that effectively neutered the Cornhuskers. They've never been the same since.

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It will be glorious to watch occur. BAMA doesn't play the power game nearly as well as 'sip does.

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Bama is going to be so surprised when they beat Texas year after year, yet Texas will still take over their conference.

This is what the SEC doesn't understand.

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Tex117 is on point today

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LOL ... I am sitting about three blocks south of the 40 acres, am on campus quite often, and have close friends that work for UT. I am an Aggie ... and gulp ... I'm from Oklahoma and the son of a Sooner ... but have ties to UT as well. I don't despise Texas at all .... but I do enjoy the Horns losing on the field and think burnt orange is the most hideous color imaginable, lol.

Texas, though, does think themselves as not so much "one of the Joneses" but more "THE Jones" when it comes to money and power. And they operate with such a view in mind.

Of course ... I will agree with the "it's just sports in the end" part.

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I realize Texas is the devil to you, and that's fine. It's just sports in the end.

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LOL ... I am sitting about three blocks south of the 40 acres, am on campus quite often, and have close friends that work for UT. I am an Aggie ... and gulp ... I'm from Oklahoma and the son of a Sooner ... but have ties to UT as well. I don't despise Texas at all .... but I do enjoy the Horns losing on the field and think burnt orange is the most hideous color imaginable, lol.

Texas, though, does think themselves as not so much "one of the Joneses" but more "THE Jones" when it comes to money and power. And they operate with such a view in mind.

Of course ... I will agree with the "it's just sports in the end" part.

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I think a lot of the public arrogance disappeared along with DeLoss Dodds. I would like to think UT's current leadership while aware of their considerable resources and footprint would try to be more amicable and collaborative. I think the Longhorn Network should be a good lesson for the University of Texas as the school tries to navigate the new world of NIL.

Nope.

It's time we throw our weight around. We should threaten to leave the conference. We can go back to the big12 and actually make something of it. Invite UH and SMU back and maybe even invite Missouri, Arkansas and whoever the hell else would join and run the show.

We need to quit pretending like we can't do things on our own. Hell I'd even prefer to go independent like ND than put up with this garbage.