Lilly Biucci said:

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I work in Strategy for a large TV/Internet provider. We had to drop the Fox RSNs because Sinclair (which owns the Fox RSNs) was asking for outrageous price increases. In fact, lots of TV providers are dropping Sinclair.

That being said, I'd be shocked if TX/OU were threatening to leave the Big 12 just to negotiate with Sinclair. Keep in mind, FSSW is only 1 piece of the Fox RSNs, so TX/OU wouldn't have that much clout. Plus Sinclair would have to pass along the higher cost to the TV providers, which are already fed up with Sinclair.

This feels much more than a TV negotiation tactic... this feels real.

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They wouldn't be negotiating for whatever the regional networks are now. They'd be negotiating for actual fox sports 1 and 2. That is owned by fox. You are confusing sinclair owning the former fox regional networks with fox owning their own actual national sports networks.

I mean the big12 content for fox sports sucks as it is, if they lose ou/tu those games are useless. What would they have left? pac12 games? The third best big10 game that week?

AgLaw02 said:

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It's a done deal. Just like Saban and Urban to tu we're done deals. Just like the Big 12 South (minus Baylor plus Colorado) to the PAC was a done deal.

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Lilly Biucci said:

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I work in Strategy for a large TV/Internet provider. We had to drop the Fox RSNs because Sinclair (which owns the Fox RSNs) was asking for outrageous price increases. In fact, lots of TV providers are dropping Sinclair.

That being said, I'd be shocked if TX/OU were threatening to leave the Big 12 just to negotiate with Sinclair. Keep in mind, FSSW is only 1 piece of the Fox RSNs, so TX/OU wouldn't have that much clout. Plus Sinclair would have to pass along the higher cost to the TV providers, which are already fed up with Sinclair.

This feels much more than a TV negotiation tactic... this feels real.

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If it didn't "feel real" it wouldn't be much of a negotiating tactic now, would it...

Divide everything by 15 - the SEC takes an equal cut from $ as the schools.

Wouldn't you have to divide that $140MM by 17? 16 teams (assuming OU and sip continue to get a share of their own media rights), and one for the conference? So, best case, that $140MM is just over $8MM/ school?

Dominion Caracas Branch said:

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They wouldn't be negotiating for whatever the regional networks are now. They'd be negotiating for actual fox sports 1 and 2. That is owned by fox. You are confusing sinclair owning the former fox regional networks with fox owning their own actual national sports networks.

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Not confused... I know what Sinclair owns. But in the context of the 2025 contract, I track with what you're saying. Hey, if TX/OU really are trying to single handedly strongarm the behemoth that is Fox (as opposed to Sinclair), good luck to 'em.

Lilly Biucci said:

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Dominion Caracas Branch said:

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They wouldn't be negotiating for whatever the regional networks are now. They'd be negotiating for actual fox sports 1 and 2. That is owned by fox. You are confusing sinclair owning the former fox regional networks with fox owning their own actual national sports networks.

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Not confused... I know what Sinclair owns. But in the context of the 2025 contract, I track with what you're saying. Hey, if TX/OU really are trying to single handedly strongarm the behemoth that is Fox (as opposed to Sinclair), good luck to 'em.

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Yeah I don't know if it will work. Fox has tons of cash on hand but it becomes an issue of how relevant they want to be in college sports going forward. They can afford to overpay if they want to do so.

I mean I'd think tu would be fine in an easier conference they can control if the money is right. And ou will follow along.

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Canyon99 said:

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OU and tu to SEC is a done deal if they are going public with plans to forego renewal. Sucks but it is going to happen.

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You think tu and OU would never manipulate media releases or put in a soft bid to change conferences in order to get a bigger media contract or demand more share of the big12 pie?

where have u been? tu has done this before.

tu and OU rule their conference. Both are too stuck on themselves to give that up.

OU would be mid tier SEC at best and tu would be bottom of the barrel as big of a dumpster fire as their football program is.

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Have you forgotten already? It hasn't been that long. tu wants to rule the world. Sure, Bama would knock them around . . . at first. Their belief in their awesomeness is unassailable. They'll be running the SEC within a decade. Just ask 'em, they'll tell you.

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Canyon99 said:

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OU and tu to SEC is a done deal if they are going public with plans to forego renewal. Sucks but it is going to happen.

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No... no it's not. This is far from a fore gone conclusion.

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it is done and we will vote in support.

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A couple of things.

1. This is a business. It is ALL about the money.
2. The Longhorns and OU current media rights are about 35 million per school right now. If you double that (incredible increase) that's 140 million. Divided 14 ways, that's 20 million per school.
3. I don't think they will get close to double what they are now. Even if they do, I don't think 20 million per school is enough to get the votes given their history.
4. There is a number that will buy our vote. You're right. But I don't think that number is 20 million a year. And I don't think it would be for other schools either. 40 million? Maybe. But that's not happening.

The numbers don't add up man. You're just wrong.

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140 Million divided by 14 schools is 10 Mill per school chief.

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First it will be divided 16 +1 ways. 16 schools and then the conference share.

An extra $10 million for the headaches the Sips bring?

It's just not worth it.

If we don't have to votes to block, it only makes sense for us to vote "yes".

BigSneezy said:

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adh5199 said:

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BigSneezy said:

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AngryAG said:

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Canyon99 said:

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OU and tu to SEC is a done deal if they are going public with plans to forego renewal. Sucks but it is going to happen.

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No... no it's not. This is far from a fore gone conclusion.

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it is done and we will vote in support.

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A couple of things.

1. This is a business. It is ALL about the money.
2. The Longhorns and OU current media rights are about 35 million per school right now. If you double that (incredible increase) that's 140 million. Divided 14 ways, that's 20 million per school.
3. I don't think they will get close to double what they are now. Even if they do, I don't think 20 million per school is enough to get the votes given their history.
4. There is a number that will buy our vote. You're right. But I don't think that number is 20 million a year. And I don't think it would be for other schools either. 40 million? Maybe. But that's not happening.

The numbers don't add up man. You're just wrong.

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140 Million divided by 14 schools is 10 Mill per school chief.

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must be a tech grad?

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Math before Coffee is not good. Thanks. Yes. Even less. There is no way we will let those schools in for a measly 10 million dollars. It's not gonna happen.

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We got $45 million from the conference for 2020... before the new television contract goes in effect. They have to bring however much revenue is required to cover their share before we see any benefit at all.

If you want a $10 million upside for existing members, they have to add enough revenue to add $250 million to the pool for distribution (probably around $280 million) and again, that's before the new TV contract that adds a bunch of money to the pool.

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Y'know, the 50,000 times I've seen you post that picture..I've never paid attention to the dude 2nd to the right wearing the ZeroU pullover.

"Mortal enemies". Lol.

Desperation makes strange bedfellows.

I agree, this is a business deal. The first thing to do in any business deal is to decide if the ones you are partnering with are trust worthy. It won't happen immediately, but the long term consequence of doing business with untrustworthy partners is disaster. So I ask, is tu trust worthy?