Since the Group of 5 will never realistically compete for a National Championship, I think the powers that be should separate the Power 5 from the G5 and let the G5 have their own NC.

Agree or disagree?

Don't care

azhector72 said:

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Don't care

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Man, off-season sucks.

For some reason posters get emboldened to bang out shower thoughts on the football forum.

Never ends well.

Fair point by OP. I agree.

Some would and could argue that about 1/3 to 1/2 of the Power 5 also will never win a championship.

What should be done with them?

It will be the Oprah Winfrey trophy.

You get a trophy, and you get a trophy....everybody gets a trophy!

I agree

I hate all the cupcake games!

All Power Five games will be awesome Saturday's every Saturday!!

Emilio Fantastico said:

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Some would and could argue that about 1/3 to 1/2 of the Power 5 also will never win a championship.

What should be done with them?

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Simple, promotion/relegation !

They could play in FCS. They don't want to.

How about P5 teams only play P5 teams for non conference.

It makes no sense that 25-33% of the games played in the sport where some fans believe "every game is the playoffs" is against teams that have no chance to make the playoffs.

What makes the Big 12 worthy of power 5?

Jeff,

That was basically my point.

Get rid of meaningless games vs G5 teams.

Every weekend would be against a P5 opponent.

Since the offseason is horrible, I have NEVER understood why anyone gets mad about the effort of an OP.

Weirdos.

Wait until the Big 12 breaks up and most of those schools have to move to G5 conferences before separating!

the group of 5 should be kicked out of the NY6

G5 and P5 have a working synergy that includes a CFP payout plus typically at least one and often two P5 games, often with a payout, per year. The purpose of the CFP relationship with the G5 is to avoid anti-trust lawsuits since the CFP itself has even fewer legal protections than the much older NCAA.

The delineation between FCS and FBS is equally well defined and notionally limited to one FCS game while remaining bowl eligible.

Given the strategy of both the NCAA and the CFP appears to be maintaining the visible semblance of due diligence against legal action, what motivates them to change?

1. The NCAA needs the Div I MBB National Championship tournaments.

2. The G5 and FCS schools need the income from P5 contests.

3. The P5 wants to fund the arms race for facilities, coaches, and national prominence.

4. ESPN has monetized the television rights to the CFP, the FBS bowl games, and the FCS championship playoffs.

5. The bowl committees (plural) continue to benefit from the bowl system.

6. Fans get a build up to the big games watching interesting, spread out exhibition games over the holidays.

7. Cities get to highlight their region subsidizing bowl games.

Football makes big money. You have to propose how they make more to change the system.

I'm for truth in advertising;

Don't call yourself The Big 12 when you only have 10 actual members, even if tu's ego does count for at least 3.

Otherwise, G5 should have their own champ.

The SEC and Big 10 should just form our own championship series.

No more cupcakes such as FCS and BDF teams.

There are many P5 schools that are not currently and will not in the future contend for a NC

The G5 teams want money. The P5 teams want easy home wins and TV contracts.

If the G5 wants to compete for a championship they need to schedule good teams. Not Vandy, Arizona or Illinois, but teams that regularly compete for championship.

Now they aim low and then gripe a lot.

farwellrob said:

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The G5 teams want money. The P5 teams want easy home wins and TV contracts.

If the G5 wants to compete for a championship they need to schedule good teams. Not Vandy, Arizona or Illinois, but teams that regularly compete for championship.

Now they aim low and then gripe a lot.

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This, but I'm not sure how willing championship level p5 teams are to schedule really good g5 programs. You won't get teams like Alabama, A&M, Ohio st etc to do hone and homes with the Cincy's and Ucf's of the world

The g5 teams that want a chance at the playoffs will need to schedule good p5 programs and play them on the road

A good g5 schedule would have to consist of OOC games that look something like this;

At penn st
At USCw
At auburn

BRAggie2000 said:

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What makes the Big 12 worthy of power 5?

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As long as ou and tu are in it...

West Point Aggie said:

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BRAggie2000 said:

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What makes the Big 12 worthy of power 5?

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As long as ou is in it...

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Fify

Mr. Ectomy said:

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Since the Group of 5 will never realistically compete for a National Championship, I think the powers that be should separate the Power 5 from the G5 and let the G5 have their own NC.

Agree or disagree?

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Would be easier and more fun to just expand the playoffs to 24 teams and let them play. But yes if they are unwilling to do that, the only fair way is to separate them into their own separate league.

Iowaggie said:

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How about P5 teams only play P5 teams for non conference.

It makes no sense that 25-33% of the games played in the sport where some fans believe "every game is the playoffs" is against teams that have no chance to make the playoffs.

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It makes perfect sense when you understand that G5 teams are willing to play at a P5 team without a return home game, thus giving the P5 team an extra home game they could not otherwise get by playing only P5 teams.

Great breakdown. People don't realize that the way the system is currently designed makes money for everyone involved.

Random Thoughts

Reduce regular season to 11 games

All P5 teams must play 10 P5 games

11th game can be against G5 teams

No P5 games vs FCS schools

9 game conference schedule

10 team seeded playoff bracket with seeds 7 - 10 playing in opening round with highest seed hosting.

Opening round games start week after CCG games

All P5 champions and highest rated G5 teams make playoff. Four (4) at-large teams make playoff.

2nd round games hosted by higher seed

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Sgt. Schultz said:

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Random Thoughts

Reduce regular season to 11 games

All P5 teams must play 10 P5 games

11th game can be against G5 teams

No P5 games vs FCS schools

9 game conference schedule

10 team seeded playoff bracket with seeds 7 - 10 playing in opening round with highest seed hosting.

Opening round games start week after CCG games

All P5 champions and highest rated G5 teams make playoff. Four (4) at-large teams make playoff.

2nd round games hosted by higher seed

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One of the better set of random thoughts. The ten-game conference schedule is a winner, but nine is adequate. The one G5 and P5 probably isn't enough to avoid anti-trust liability risk.

This year has highlighted the financial instability of the NCAA and the non-P5 conferences and even they likely are aware of the money challenges. I don't see anything changing until the whole thing can be stabilized.

Title IX is a poison pill that eventually could destroy scholarship Intercollegiate athletics financially. If schools aren't making enough money off football to cover all athletics they need to move to a more competitive and financially stable league. Competitive to draw eyeballs and financially stable to avoid going out of business entirely.

Arguably we have too many cozy liberal arts schools that offer little to no life preparation for adulting...proven by their administrators failing to adult.

Only 8 teams make the playoffs meaning only 2 at large
Force ND & BYU to join a conference
Eliminate CCG
1st round CCG weekend & games are at neutral sites
Only seed the top 2 Overcoming a "tough draw" is part of winning A tournament

I dont see a problem.

I usually watch the season opener, but skip the other 2 cream puffs. Enough watch all 12 games, that they are economically viable.

So, I benefit b/c my team has plenty of revenue to support itself for the 10 +bowl games I watch. Those watching all 12+ bowl win b/c they get 2 extra weeks worth of entertainment.

Market forces work. Leave them alone.

Mr. Ectomy said:

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Since the Group of 5 will never realistically compete for a National Championship, I think the powers that be should separate the Power 5 from the G5 and let the G5 have their own NC.

Agree or disagree?

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The '84 BYU Cougars would disagree.

Then the Power 5 champ should play the G5 champ and have a SUPREME Champion.

It is not a true NC if all college teams do not compete for it