The "importance of the regular season" just means they like being able to think or claim that x team "doesn't deserve it" because they lost one game (which was apparently the one regular season game that was extremely "important"

Its also odd that usually these same worshippers of the almighty loss column typically also need to be able to say that certain other teams are not worthy because they didnt play anybody or whatever when those teams invariably crash their zero loss party. And its all ok because in a system where you just make up the rules and invite the teams, you can just pick who you want rather than have to handle the setting up a true competitive environment for the whole sport

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IMO having an invitational tournament with the "best" 8 overall is anti-sport/anti-competition. The more spots that are qualified for automatically by winning competitions (like conferences) the more closely college football resembles a real sport with a real champion, imo.

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And the less importance the regular season has.

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Every conference game would have HUGE implications. Idk what you mean.

Teams would schedule tougher OOC games knowing a loss wouldn't burry them as long as they win the conference.

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No. Autobids for conference champs incentivizes weak conferences.

And no the present four team format is perfect.

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Conferences would purposely make their team's bad to make the conference weaker??

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IMO having an invitational tournament with the "best" 8 overall is anti-sport/anti-competition. The more spots that are qualified for automatically by winning competitions (like conferences) the more closely college football resembles a real sport with a real champion, imo.

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And the less importance the regular season has.

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Every conference game would have HUGE implications. Idk what you mean.

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I explained earlier. Florida's last regular season game against LSU this year was 100% meaningless because they would still be in the playoffs if it was 8 teams. They could have just rested all their starters if they wanted to

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No. Autobids for conference champs incentivizes weak conferences.

And no the present four team format is perfect.

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Conferences would purposely make their team's bad to make the conference weaker??

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No, conferences would only focus on winning their conference instead of beating teams outside of their conference as well is what he meant

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How fun would this set be:
Round 1:

1 Alabama 11-0 v 8 Cincinnati 9-0

2 Clemson 10-1 v 7 Florida 8-3

3 Ohio State 6-0 v 6 Oklahoma 8-2

4 Notre Dame 10-1 v 5 Texas A&M 8-1

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3 blowouts and maybe 1 close game? No thanks.

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Do you not want more games with high significance? Or do you prefer to watch Cincinnati, UF, and A&M play meaningless bowl games where all the good players opt out?

Every conference championship would be super important as well.

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No. Autobids for conference champs incentivizes weak conferences.

And no the present four team format is perfect.

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Conferences would purposely make their team's bad to make the conference weaker??

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No, conferences would only focus on winning their conference instead of beating teams outside of their conference as well

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Coaches wouldn't want to test their team and work to improve before their conference slate of opponents?

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IMO having an invitational tournament with the "best" 8 overall is anti-sport/anti-competition. The more spots that are qualified for automatically by winning competitions (like conferences) the more closely college football resembles a real sport with a real champion, imo.

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And the less importance the regular season has.

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Every conference game would have HUGE implications. Idk what you mean.

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He means that in such a system he personally wouldnt be on tenterhooks for however many games his team remained undefeated before they "lost" and therefor no longer "deserve it"

In a perfect world for the "muh regular season" crowd our season would be over when we played the most important possible regular season game (because we lost) in week 2.

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No. Autobids for conference champs incentivizes weak conferences.

And no the present four team format is perfect.

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ND has been blown out in every CFP and championship game played in the last 10 years, and they will again in 2 days. Yet they're in over us. Get out of here with your perfect system.

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You've fallen for the media's trap. It's not ND versus A&M. It's A&M versus Ohio State.

ND's resume has a similar bad loss (although later in the season) and 2 additional games on A&M. Sure, you can attribute 2 losses to them if Sunshine played their first contest... but the same logic gives us a second loss too if we rematch with Alabama in a notional conference championship game.

Ohio State played half a season and their conference (who should have been blacklisted in entirety) bent over backwards to get them in. THAT'S who A&M should have beat out.

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IMO having an invitational tournament with the "best" 8 overall is anti-sport/anti-competition. The more spots that are qualified for automatically by winning competitions (like conferences) the more closely college football resembles a real sport with a real champion, imo.

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And the less importance the regular season has.

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Every conference game would have HUGE implications. Idk what you mean.

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I explained earlier. Florida's last regular season game against LSU this year was 100% meaningless because they would still be in the playoffs if it was 8 teams. They could have just rested all their starters if they wanted to

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They would NOT be in in my scenario. 5 auto qualifiers plus 2 at large. The at large would be ND and A&M. UF would still have to beat Bama.

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wbt5845 said:

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No. Autobids for conference champs incentivizes weak conferences.

And no the present four team format is perfect.

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Conferences would purposely make their team's bad to make the conference weaker??

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No, conferences would only focus on winning their conference instead of beating teams outside of their conference as well

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Coaches wouldn't want to test their team and work to improve before their conference slate of opponents?

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A lot of them don't even do that now, why would this incentivize more of that?

Always amazed how many people are against more meaningful college football games

Yep let's keep the current bowl system .. basically glorified scrimmages that the best players don't even play in

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IMO having an invitational tournament with the "best" 8 overall is anti-sport/anti-competition. The more spots that are qualified for automatically by winning competitions (like conferences) the more closely college football resembles a real sport with a real champion, imo.

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And the less importance the regular season has.

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Every conference game would have HUGE implications. Idk what you mean.

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I explained earlier. Florida's last regular season game against LSU this year was 100% meaningless because they would still be in the playoffs if it was 8 teams. They could have just rested all their starters if they wanted to

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They would NOT be in in my scenario. 5 auto qualifiers plus 2 at large. The at large would be ND and A&M. UF would still have to beat Bama.

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Again, they should rest their starters against LSU to get ready for Bama...still makes that game against LSU meaningless. You're turning college football into the NFL

Who cares if they lose their season finale as long as they beat Bama they are in?

No one should be for meaningless regular season games

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IMO having an invitational tournament with the "best" 8 overall is anti-sport/anti-competition. The more spots that are qualified for automatically by winning competitions (like conferences) the more closely college football resembles a real sport with a real champion, imo.

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And the less importance the regular season has.

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Every conference game would have HUGE implications. Idk what you mean.

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I explained earlier. Florida's last regular season game against LSU this year was 100% meaningless because they would still be in the playoffs if it was 8 teams. They could have just rested all their starters if they wanted to

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They would NOT be in in my scenario. 5 auto qualifiers plus 2 at large. The at large would be ND and A&M. UF would still have to beat Bama.

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Again, they should rest their starters against LSU to get ready for Bama...still makes that game against LSU meaningless. You're turning college football into the NFL

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You mean what they literally already did sitting Pitts against LSU in the 4 team playoff format?

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IMO having an invitational tournament with the "best" 8 overall is anti-sport/anti-competition. The more spots that are qualified for automatically by winning competitions (like conferences) the more closely college football resembles a real sport with a real champion, imo.

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And the less importance the regular season has.

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Every conference game would have HUGE implications. Idk what you mean.

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I explained earlier. Florida's last regular season game against LSU this year was 100% meaningless because they would still be in the playoffs if it was 8 teams. They could have just rested all their starters if they wanted to

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They would NOT be in in my scenario. 5 auto qualifiers plus 2 at large. The at large would be ND and A&M. UF would still have to beat Bama.

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Again, they should rest their starters against LSU to get ready for Bama...still makes that game against LSU meaningless. You're turning college football into the NFL

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I have a question. Was a&m vs Tennessee a meaningful game in your opinion?

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IMO having an invitational tournament with the "best" 8 overall is anti-sport/anti-competition. The more spots that are qualified for automatically by winning competitions (like conferences) the more closely college football resembles a real sport with a real champion, imo.

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And the less importance the regular season has.

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Every conference game would have HUGE implications. Idk what you mean.

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I explained earlier. Florida's last regular season game against LSU this year was 100% meaningless because they would still be in the playoffs if it was 8 teams. They could have just rested all their starters if they wanted to

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They would NOT be in in my scenario. 5 auto qualifiers plus 2 at large. The at large would be ND and A&M. UF would still have to beat Bama.

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Again, they should rest their starters against LSU to get ready for Bama...still makes that game against LSU meaningless. You're turning college football into the NFL

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You mean what they literally already did sitting Pitts against LSU in the 4 team playoff format?

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He was injured, nice try

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IMO having an invitational tournament with the "best" 8 overall is anti-sport/anti-competition. The more spots that are qualified for automatically by winning competitions (like conferences) the more closely college football resembles a real sport with a real champion, imo.

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And the less importance the regular season has.

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Every conference game would have HUGE implications. Idk what you mean.

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I explained earlier. Florida's last regular season game against LSU this year was 100% meaningless because they would still be in the playoffs if it was 8 teams. They could have just rested all their starters if they wanted to

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They would NOT be in in my scenario. 5 auto qualifiers plus 2 at large. The at large would be ND and A&M. UF would still have to beat Bama.

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Again, they should rest their starters against LSU to get ready for Bama...still makes that game against LSU meaningless. You're turning college football into the NFL

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I have a question. Was a&m vs Tennessee a meaningful game in your opinion?

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100%

I'm not talking about after the fact was it meaningful.

In your scenario the day of Florida vs LSU the outcome has no impact on Florida's chances to win a title...if A&M loses that day against Tennessee their chances are zero...it was a must win just like Auburn, LSU, etc

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IMO having an invitational tournament with the "best" 8 overall is anti-sport/anti-competition. The more spots that are qualified for automatically by winning competitions (like conferences) the more closely college football resembles a real sport with a real champion, imo.

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And the less importance the regular season has.

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Every conference game would have HUGE implications. Idk what you mean.

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I explained earlier. Florida's last regular season game against LSU this year was 100% meaningless because they would still be in the playoffs if it was 8 teams. They could have just rested all their starters if they wanted to

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They would NOT be in in my scenario. 5 auto qualifiers plus 2 at large. The at large would be ND and A&M. UF would still have to beat Bama.

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Again, they should rest their starters against LSU to get ready for Bama...still makes that game against LSU meaningless. You're turning college football into the NFL

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I have a question. Was a&m vs Tennessee a meaningful game in your opinion?

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All of our conference games were meaningful. The one we are missing became an excuse while ignoring Ohio State. SHAME on the selection committee.

Ok good. But for Tennessee, was it meaningful? What if they had elected not to play their players?

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Ok good. But for Tennessee, was it meaningful? What if they had elected not to play their players?

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What are you even talking about now? What is your point here and how does your playoff scenario come into play?

You just haven't thought this through is your problem

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IMO having an invitational tournament with the "best" 8 overall is anti-sport/anti-competition. The more spots that are qualified for automatically by winning competitions (like conferences) the more closely college football resembles a real sport with a real champion, imo.

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And the less importance the regular season has.

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Every conference game would have HUGE implications. Idk what you mean.

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I explained earlier. Florida's last regular season game against LSU this year was 100% meaningless because they would still be in the playoffs if it was 8 teams. They could have just rested all their starters if they wanted to

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They would NOT be in in my scenario. 5 auto qualifiers plus 2 at large. The at large would be ND and A&M. UF would still have to beat Bama.

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Again, they should rest their starters against LSU to get ready for Bama...still makes that game against LSU meaningless. You're turning college football into the NFL

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I have a question. Was a&m vs Tennessee a meaningful game in your opinion?

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100%

I'm not talking about after the fact was it meaningful.

In your scenario the day of Florida vs LSU the outcome has no impact on Florida's chances to win a title...if A&M loses that day against Tennessee their chances are zero...it was a must win just like Auburn, LSU, etc

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THE GAME STILL DIDNT MATTER. Beat Bama and they were IN.

This just adds many more meaningful games in addition.

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IMO having an invitational tournament with the "best" 8 overall is anti-sport/anti-competition. The more spots that are qualified for automatically by winning competitions (like conferences) the more closely college football resembles a real sport with a real champion, imo.

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And the less importance the regular season has.

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I don't know, seems to work pretty well for basketball. March Madness is kind of a thing.

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There is no sport with a more meaningless regular season than college basketball, except perhaps NBA basketball.

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Baseball would like to have a word with you.

To be fair, those all have to do with having waaay too many games, not the fact that there's a post season.

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IMO having an invitational tournament with the "best" 8 overall is anti-sport/anti-competition. The more spots that are qualified for automatically by winning competitions (like conferences) the more closely college football resembles a real sport with a real champion, imo.

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And the less importance the regular season has.

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Every conference game would have HUGE implications. Idk what you mean.

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I explained earlier. Florida's last regular season game against LSU this year was 100% meaningless because they would still be in the playoffs if it was 8 teams. They could have just rested all their starters if they wanted to

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They would NOT be in in my scenario. 5 auto qualifiers plus 2 at large. The at large would be ND and A&M. UF would still have to beat Bama.

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Again, they should rest their starters against LSU to get ready for Bama...still makes that game against LSU meaningless. You're turning college football into the NFL

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I have a question. Was a&m vs Tennessee a meaningful game in your opinion?

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100%

I'm not talking about after the fact was it meaningful.

In your scenario the day of Florida vs LSU the outcome has no impact on Florida's chances to win a title...if A&M loses that day against Tennessee their chances are zero...it was a must win just like Auburn, LSU, etc

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THE GAME STILL DIDNT MATTER. Beat Bama and they were IN.

This just adds many more meaningful games in addition.

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After losing to LSU they were not a lock to get in even if they beat Bama, that was a bad second loss and everyone ahead of them had only one loss or fewer

Why is it bad for one Florida-LSU game to lose some shine, in exchange for making other games more important to the regular season picture? Why is that one Florida game the measuring stick? The answer is that youve made your perspective as being viewed from only Florida's perspective not the persoective of the entire sport. This inherent viewing of individual games and deciding their importance by an "if we, as a team playing in this game, lose our season is over" as the be all, end all of the importance of games is flawed. Its especially odd when thats what types of games a large playoff explicitly adds more of.

I'm just sad the OP is still able to post

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IMO having an invitational tournament with the "best" 8 overall is anti-sport/anti-competition. The more spots that are qualified for automatically by winning competitions (like conferences) the more closely college football resembles a real sport with a real champion, imo.

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And the less importance the regular season has.

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Every conference game would have HUGE implications. Idk what you mean.

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I explained earlier. Florida's last regular season game against LSU this year was 100% meaningless because they would still be in the playoffs if it was 8 teams. They could have just rested all their starters if they wanted to

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They would NOT be in in my scenario. 5 auto qualifiers plus 2 at large. The at large would be ND and A&M. UF would still have to beat Bama.

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Again, they should rest their starters against LSU to get ready for Bama...still makes that game against LSU meaningless. You're turning college football into the NFL

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I have a question. Was a&m vs Tennessee a meaningful game in your opinion?

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100%

I'm not talking about after the fact was it meaningful.

In your scenario the day of Florida vs LSU the outcome has no impact on Florida's chances to win a title...if A&M loses that day against Tennessee their chances are zero...it was a must win just like Auburn, LSU, etc

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THE GAME STILL DIDNT MATTER. Beat Bama and they were IN.

This just adds many more meaningful games in addition.

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After losing to LSU they were not a lock to get in even if they beat Bama, that was a bad second loss and everyone ahead of them had only one loss or fewer

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Then UF would definitely want to make sure they beat LSU as a contingency Incase they lose a close game to Bama. Giving them a chance at the at large bids. Especially if it was 8 teams in the field.

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Why is it bad for one Florida-LSU game to lose some shine, in exchange for making other games more important to the regular season picture? Why is that one Florida game the measuring stick? The answer is that youve made your perspective as being viewed from only Florida's perspective not the persoective of the entire sport. This inherent viewing of individual games and deciding their importance by an "if we, as a team playing in this game, lose our season is over" as the be all, end all of the importance of games is flawed. Its especially odd when thats what types of games a large playoff explicitly adds more of.

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Exactly wouldn't it be cool for Bama and Clemson fans to be interested in the PAC-12 and American championship game to see who they might match up against in the 1-8 2-7 games. Plus teams like A&M, Florida, Coastal Carolina, etc on the edge of their seats of these games hoping someone slips up and they slide in.

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Why is it bad for one Florida-LSU game to lose some shine, in exchange for making other games more important to the regular season picture? Why is that one Florida game the measuring stick? The answer is that youve made your perspective as being viewed from only Florida's perspective not the persoective of the entire sport. This inherent viewing of individual games and deciding their importance by an "if we, as a team playing in this game, lose our season is over" as the be all, end all of the importance of games is flawed. Its especially odd when thats what types of games a large playoff explicitly adds more of.

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I'm just using the Florida LSU game as an example, don't take it too literally. The point is if winning your conference because the only objective there will be scenarios leading up to the conference championship games where teams have nothing to play for if they have already locked up their division title

That's really the only point I'm making. They would benefit by resting their starters so they can be ready for the conference championship game which feels like week 16 and 17 in the nfl when teams are sitting starters to prepare for the playoffs

The only programs who should be rooting to keep this small playoff / BCS hybrid are the blue bloods.

Recruits want to go where they have the best chance of winning a title. As long as the top 6ish programs can dangle that prize in front of high schoolers face, the programs trying to break through are going to have a rough go. It's so obviously bias towards the perennial winner, that programs like ours is going to have to have a mind blowingly good year to even get a chance.

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Why is it bad for one Florida-LSU game to lose some shine, in exchange for making other games more important to the regular season picture? Why is that one Florida game the measuring stick? The answer is that youve made your perspective as being viewed from only Florida's perspective not the persoective of the entire sport. This inherent viewing of individual games and deciding their importance by an "if we, as a team playing in this game, lose our season is over" as the be all, end all of the importance of games is flawed. Its especially odd when thats what types of games a large playoff explicitly adds more of.

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I'm just using the Florida LSU game as an example, don't take it too literally. The point is if winning your conference because the only objective there will be scenarios leading up to the conference championship games where teams have nothing to play for if they have already locked up their division title

That's really the only point I'm making. They would benefit by resting their starters so they can be ready for the conference championship game which feels like week 16 and 17 in the nfl when teams are sitting starters to prepare for the playoffs

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Smart coaches wouldn't bank on that. If they were one of the two highest non conference champs they are in. That's worth fighting for.

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Why is it bad for one Florida-LSU game to lose some shine, in exchange for making other games more important to the regular season picture? Why is that one Florida game the measuring stick? The answer is that youve made your perspective as being viewed from only Florida's perspective not the persoective of the entire sport. This inherent viewing of individual games and deciding their importance by an "if we, as a team playing in this game, lose our season is over" as the be all, end all of the importance of games is flawed. Its especially odd when thats what types of games a large playoff explicitly adds more of.

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I'm just using the Florida LSU game as an example, don't take it too literally. The point is if winning your conference because the only objective there will be scenarios leading up to the conference championship games where teams have nothing to play for if they have already locked up their division title

That's really the only point I'm making. They would benefit by resting their starters so they can be ready for the conference championship game which feels like week 16 and 17 in the nfl when teams are sitting starters to prepare for the playoffs

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I know thats why youre using that game as an example. Your example is perfectly illustrative of the entire "lose the importance of the regular season" argument.

The whole argument is built upon the bedrock of one single idea...that a regular season game is "important" when, from the viewpoint of one team playing, if they lose they are eliminated. Ignoring the fact that there are already multitudes of "unimportant" regular season games played that don't meet that standard that fans actually obviously care about very much every single regular season. And also ignoring the true importance that would be added to certain other regular season games under other systems, and also ignoring the addition of many games (playoff games) where both teams are fighting against real elimination.

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IMO having an invitational tournament with the "best" 8 overall is anti-sport/anti-competition. The more spots that are qualified for automatically by winning competitions (like conferences) the more closely college football resembles a real sport with a real champion, imo.

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And the less importance the regular season has.

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I don't know, seems to work pretty well for basketball. March Madness is kind of a thing.

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I really wish they would cut it down to 16 teams. If not that, at least down to 32 teams.

Baseball has the best championship because they play series. You can't get lucky in one game and still advance. The fact that a team can get lucky in one game and advance, is why I hope they never expand beyond 4 teams.

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Why is it bad for one Florida-LSU game to lose some shine, in exchange for making other games more important to the regular season picture? Why is that one Florida game the measuring stick? The answer is that youve made your perspective as being viewed from only Florida's perspective not the persoective of the entire sport. This inherent viewing of individual games and deciding their importance by an "if we, as a team playing in this game, lose our season is over" as the be all, end all of the importance of games is flawed. Its especially odd when thats what types of games a large playoff explicitly adds more of.

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I'm just using the Florida LSU game as an example, don't take it too literally. The point is if winning your conference because the only objective there will be scenarios leading up to the conference championship games where teams have nothing to play for if they have already locked up their division title

That's really the only point I'm making. They would benefit by resting their starters so they can be ready for the conference championship game which feels like week 16 and 17 in the nfl when teams are sitting starters to prepare for the playoffs

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Smart coaches wouldn't bank on that. If they were one of the two highest non conference champs they are in. That's worth fighting for.

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I get it, but if you are already locked up to be in the conference championship game and you have two regular season games left...you can literally lose both of those games and still have a chance to play for a national title. That is not/should not be college football. Period.

The CFP will expand to 8, go straight from 4 to 8, bypassing 6. It will include all Power 5 Champs and the highest ranked G5 champ and 2 at-large / wild-card teams. Likely the only caveat is that you have to be ranked in the Top 12 to be included, otherwise that spot opens up to a wild-card team. Good for the SEC overall as many times we will be getting 2 or 3 teams in the CFP.

I don't see how or why they would just automatically include all P5 champs, without some type of ranking qualification. Thus the CFP committee and poll will still be needed and in place.

Then there will be some complaining and wailing about teams that finish #9 and #10, but really nobody will care about that and the arguments of #9 or #10 being left out will not be strong or valid, not like the #5 team has just about every season.

I'm all for it. Especially with what Jimbo is building here. The quicker they go from 4 to 8 the better IMHO as it will be good for Texas A&M.