PikesPeakAg said:

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We have created a circumstance where there is a tremendous sense of entitlement with almost zero realization for some athletes of what it means to attend Texas A&M university.

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NomadicAggie said:

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The athletes are free to think and say whatever they want, that what the First Amendment is all about.

The point here is that a growing chorus of people don't want that done on their dime any longer. Don't ask for my money, then piss on my leg.

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greg.w.h said:

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I'm all in favor of returning to a losing tradition with all white athletes or with Blacks who "know their place." But it's probably better not to say that or allude to it out loud...sounds racist.

I'll note: my scholarship benefactors didn't agree with all my decisions in school. But took no effort to pull my scholarship. I paid for a fifth year to finish my degree. It was mostly a remedial year finishing classes I had failed simply due to not turning in work because it was dumb. I registered my displeasure, finished the classes, and they later adjusted the curriculum in a way that took into consideration some of my concerns.

It's possible to have a conversation without kowtowing. Even with folks who disagree with you and call you names like two percenter. And usually the name callers are proud of you after the fact for having a spine. But before the fact they aren't. Having a spine changes their minds.

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PikesPeakAg said:

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My original question was, are we enabling some of the disturbing behavior seen by giving full scholarships? Maybe we have made it to easy to be seen as a place to play a sport and not a community to be a part of.

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Just don't ask me to pay for it any longer. Kind of like if I don't like my employer I am free to leave and do what I want, but I shouldn't be surprised when they dismiss me when I publicly call them names and deface their property.

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BAS65 said:

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Who is mind?

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PikesPeakAg said:

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We have created a circumstance where there is a tremendous sense of entitlement with almost zero realization for some athletes of what it means to attend Texas A&M university. Granted their experience is different than the rest of us, as it is skewed by the sport they participate in, but how many feel the struggles, financially and other, that so many others do? Many of us leave what has been the greatest and friendliest place on earth with decades long loan obligations. As a first generation minority college student many years ago, Texas A&M allowed me to pursue a future that would impact my immediate family and many more.

I have stated previously I have no stand on the Sully statue. My opinion on that is that all Aggies vote on what if anything should happen and those in the minority respectfully accept the vote of the Aggie majority. I am completely for free speech but some of the behavior of the scholarship athletes is a little difficult to comprehend. I am now for revoking scholarships. If they actually want to stay here, take on loans like many of us have, and act like they want to be here. It is unreasonable to expect so many 12th Man members whom they call racist, simply because they don't agree with one of their positions, to turn around, ignore that insult, and continue to pay for these student athlete's education and the opportunity to develop their athletic skills.

If this season is cancelled, I will ask for a 100% refund. After 20+ years of giving it's time to reassess how much if any we want to give. In my opinion, there should be some Aggie specific community service obligation tied to these scholarships moving forward. We are all apart of the same community and clearly those bonds need to be strengthened.

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aginlakeway said:

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PikesPeakAg said:

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We have created a circumstance where there is a tremendous sense of entitlement with almost zero realization for some athletes of what it means to attend Texas A&M university. Granted their experience is different than the rest of us, as it is skewed by the sport they participate in, but how many feel the struggles, financially and other, that so many others do? Many of us leave what has been the greatest and friendliest place on earth with decades long loan obligations. As a first generation minority college student many years ago, Texas A&M allowed me to pursue a future that would impact my immediate family and many more.

I have stated previously I have no stand on the Sully statue. My opinion on that is that all Aggies vote on what if anything should happen and those in the minority respectfully accept the vote of the Aggie majority. I am completely for free speech but some of the behavior of the scholarship athletes is a little difficult to comprehend. I am now for revoking scholarships. If they actually want to stay here, take on loans like many of us have, and act like they want to be here. It is unreasonable to expect so many 12th Man members whom they call racist, simply because they don't agree with one of their positions, to turn around, ignore that insult, and continue to pay for these student athlete's education and the opportunity to develop their athletic skills.

If this season is cancelled, I will ask for a 100% refund. After 20+ years of giving it's time to reassess how much if any we want to give. In my opinion, there should be some Aggie specific community service obligation tied to these scholarships moving forward. We are all apart of the same community and clearly those bonds need to be strengthened.

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You can get a refund regardless. FWIW.

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khat79 said:

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aginlakeway said:

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PikesPeakAg said:

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We have created a circumstance where there is a tremendous sense of entitlement with almost zero realization for some athletes of what it means to attend Texas A&M university. Granted their experience is different than the rest of us, as it is skewed by the sport they participate in, but how many feel the struggles, financially and other, that so many others do? Many of us leave what has been the greatest and friendliest place on earth with decades long loan obligations. As a first generation minority college student many years ago, Texas A&M allowed me to pursue a future that would impact my immediate family and many more.

I have stated previously I have no stand on the Sully statue. My opinion on that is that all Aggies vote on what if anything should happen and those in the minority respectfully accept the vote of the Aggie majority. I am completely for free speech but some of the behavior of the scholarship athletes is a little difficult to comprehend. I am now for revoking scholarships. If they actually want to stay here, take on loans like many of us have, and act like they want to be here. It is unreasonable to expect so many 12th Man members whom they call racist, simply because they don't agree with one of their positions, to turn around, ignore that insult, and continue to pay for these student athlete's education and the opportunity to develop their athletic skills.

If this season is cancelled, I will ask for a 100% refund. After 20+ years of giving it's time to reassess how much if any we want to give. In my opinion, there should be some Aggie specific community service obligation tied to these scholarships moving forward. We are all apart of the same community and clearly those bonds need to be strengthened.

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You can get a refund regardless. FWIW.

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People who are disappointed should just take a refund and leave. If you can't support Texas A&M any longer, we understand. There's no need to post about it or show up to the games if you don't want to. Just leave and move on with your lives. It is not worth the effort.

Proud member of the Fightin' Texas Aggie class of 2010!

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aginlakeway said:

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khat79 said:

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aginlakeway said:

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PikesPeakAg said:

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We have created a circumstance where there is a tremendous sense of entitlement with almost zero realization for some athletes of what it means to attend Texas A&M university. Granted their experience is different than the rest of us, as it is skewed by the sport they participate in, but how many feel the struggles, financially and other, that so many others do? Many of us leave what has been the greatest and friendliest place on earth with decades long loan obligations. As a first generation minority college student many years ago, Texas A&M allowed me to pursue a future that would impact my immediate family and many more.

I have stated previously I have no stand on the Sully statue. My opinion on that is that all Aggies vote on what if anything should happen and those in the minority respectfully accept the vote of the Aggie majority. I am completely for free speech but some of the behavior of the scholarship athletes is a little difficult to comprehend. I am now for revoking scholarships. If they actually want to stay here, take on loans like many of us have, and act like they want to be here. It is unreasonable to expect so many 12th Man members whom they call racist, simply because they don't agree with one of their positions, to turn around, ignore that insult, and continue to pay for these student athlete's education and the opportunity to develop their athletic skills.

If this season is cancelled, I will ask for a 100% refund. After 20+ years of giving it's time to reassess how much if any we want to give. In my opinion, there should be some Aggie specific community service obligation tied to these scholarships moving forward. We are all apart of the same community and clearly those bonds need to be strengthened.

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You can get a refund regardless. FWIW.

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People who are disappointed should just take a refund and leave. If you can't support Texas A&M any longer, we understand. There's no need to post about it or show up to the games if you don't want to. Just leave and move on with your lives. It is not worth the effort.

Proud member of the Fightin' Texas Aggie class of 2010!

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Covid/the economy is a bigger reason for refunds right now.

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